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Re: Andre's Improvement 

Post#21 » by DBC10 » Thu Dec 1, 2016 1:38 am

MrBigShot wrote:I seem to remember Dre being incredibly impressive in the low post at the very end of his 3rd season. He looked really comfortable, and even though he was mostly using the jump hook to score he was very patient and started to learn how to use his strength to create space for himself.

Since then he's really regressed in that regard, not really sure why. I feel like he may end up remaining a garbage man & pick and roll finisher mostly, only posting up when he gets super deep position.


I mean if Dwight never really developed a dominant post game after all these years (he even trained with Hakeem in the offseason and had Hakeem and McHale as coaches during Houston), I don't see Dre being able to develop an above average post up either.

And Dwight was physically dominant and was basically mini-Shaq putting up mini Shaq numbers at one point. I rather Van Gundy invest Dre into being a elite garbage man and elite roller even further. That will pay more dividends than "let's overfeed Dre shooting subpar numbers" for the next few seasons.

I personally don't think Dre will ever be an elite post up guy.
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Re: Andre's Improvement 

Post#22 » by Blkbrd671 » Thu Dec 1, 2016 6:13 am

The last thing I'd like to sound off on here is screen assists, which is a made field goal generated directly by a screen. Andre Drummond ranks fifth in the league in screen assists at 4.6 a game, and it shows how important a good screen is in the flow of the offense. For example, noted brick wall Aron Baynes has 3.2 screen assists per game, good enough for 18th in the league.


screen game is real and a value'd stat amongst big men
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Post#23 » by Pharaoh » Thu Dec 1, 2016 8:29 am

In SVG We Trust wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:THAT is why you sag on PnRs!

You sag because you're not good enough defender to stay in front of your man and deny the drive.

LMAO!

The guard should fight over / go under the pick and the big sags because its SMART!

Let's assume the guard goes under & your big sags: at worse you give up a line drive 3 from the opposing PG...or the opposing big shooting a long 2 or a 3.

In other words you give up a low % shot.

Now let's assume your guard tries to fight over and your big doesn't sag...

You likely give up penetration to the opposing guard, which forces other dudes to help, which leaves other guys wide open, most likely a corner 3 ball...a high % shot!

Playing smart is better than playing some BS macho D you can get away with at rec league level

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Post#24 » by In SVG We Trust » Thu Dec 1, 2016 8:34 am

Pharaoh wrote:LMAO!

The guard should fight over / go under the pick and the big sags because its SMART!

Let's assume the guard goes under & your big sags: at worse you give up a line drive 3 from the opposing PG...or the opposing big shooting a long 2 or a 3.

In other words you give up a low % shot.

Now let's assume your guard tries to fight over and your big doesn't sag...

You likely give up penetration to the opposing guard, which forces other dudes to help, which leaves other guys wide open, most likely a corner 3 ball...a high % shot!

Playing smart is better than playing some BS macho D you can get away with at rec league level

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Just look and watch the differences (this is coming from a 40 years old man).

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Post#25 » by Pharaoh » Thu Dec 1, 2016 9:28 am

In SVG We Trust wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:LMAO!

The guard should fight over / go under the pick and the big sags because its SMART!

Let's assume the guard goes under & your big sags: at worse you give up a line drive 3 from the opposing PG...or the opposing big shooting a long 2 or a 3.

In other words you give up a low % shot.

Now let's assume your guard tries to fight over and your big doesn't sag...

You likely give up penetration to the opposing guard, which forces other dudes to help, which leaves other guys wide open, most likely a corner 3 ball...a high % shot!

Playing smart is better than playing some BS macho D you can get away with at rec league level

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Just look and watch the differences (this is coming from a 40 years old man).


Really dude? Duncan & Leonard & the Spurs is your example of NOT defending how I said?

How about you find a normal team as opposed to one of Pop's gun teams

Also: some of those picks by Adams were lame as ****

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Post#26 » by In SVG We Trust » Thu Dec 1, 2016 9:58 am

I can put you every elite defender and no one is sagging and letting the guy with the ball shoot. Gobert, DeAndre, Howard, Draymond...

You're saying Dre is playing the right defense and it's the system goal to allow those midranges js, and I'm telling you that's far from the truth.
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Post#27 » by Pharaoh » Thu Dec 1, 2016 10:34 am

In SVG We Trust wrote:I can put you every elite defender and no one is sagging and letting the guy with the ball shoot. Gobert, DeAndre, Howard, Draymond...

You're saying Dre is playing the right defense and it's the system goal to allow those midranges js, and I'm telling you that's far from the truth.

Three threads dude?

And Dre is obviously sagging cause SVG has instructed him to do so.

If you think you're smarter than SVG then good on ya

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Post#28 » by In SVG We Trust » Thu Dec 1, 2016 11:54 am

Pharaoh wrote:
In SVG We Trust wrote:I can put you every elite defender and no one is sagging and letting the guy with the ball shoot. Gobert, DeAndre, Howard, Draymond...

You're saying Dre is playing the right defense and it's the system goal to allow those midranges js, and I'm telling you that's far from the truth.

Three threads dude?

And Dre is obviously sagging cause SVG has instructed him to do so.

If you think you're smarter than SVG then good on ya

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I got nothing on you personally man. It's simply you're thinking and posting just the opposite of mine. Like you have said many times, what makes a forum great is there are so many different opinions, so I expect my opposite opinion doesn't bother you.

"And Dre is obviously sagging cause SVG has instructed him to do so." So Marcus Morris is shooting .306 3P% because SVG has instructed him to do so? Do you think SVG is plenty satisfied with Dre's defense? Wow, we have very very different opinions.
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Post#29 » by Pharaoh » Thu Dec 1, 2016 1:09 pm

In SVG We Trust wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:
In SVG We Trust wrote:I can put you every elite defender and no one is sagging and letting the guy with the ball shoot. Gobert, DeAndre, Howard, Draymond...

You're saying Dre is playing the right defense and it's the system goal to allow those midranges js, and I'm telling you that's far from the truth.

Three threads dude?

And Dre is obviously sagging cause SVG has instructed him to do so.

If you think you're smarter than SVG then good on ya

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I got nothing on you personally man. It's simply you're thinking and posting just the opposite of mine. Like you have said many times, what makes a forum great is there are so many different opinions, so I expect my opposite opinion doesn't bother you.

"And Dre is obviously sagging cause SVG has instructed him to do so." So Marcus Morris is shooting .306 3P% because SVG has instructed him to do so? Do you think SVG is plenty satisfied with Dre's defense? Wow, we have very very different opinions.


A shooting % is not something you instruct bro - don't be ridiculous

The fact is that a lot of teams defend the PnR the way I described for the exact reason that I explained.

Yes, there are teams that don't for a variety of reasons (elite big, elite guard, quality help defenders, quality understanding of the unit)

Again: it seems some people view the game and aspects of it in a vacuum.

Change your lense

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Post#30 » by In SVG We Trust » Thu Dec 1, 2016 1:20 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
A shooting % is not something you instruct bro - don't be ridiculous

The fact is that a lot of teams defend the PnR the way I described for the exact reason that I explained.

Yes, there are teams that don't for a variety of reasons (elite big, elite guard, quality help defenders, quality understanding of the unit)

Again: it seems some people view the game and aspects of it in a vacuum.

Change your lense

I'll ask you again: Do you think SVG is plenty satisfied with Dre's defense?
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Post#31 » by Pharaoh » Thu Dec 1, 2016 2:14 pm

In SVG We Trust wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:
A shooting % is not something you instruct bro - don't be ridiculous

The fact is that a lot of teams defend the PnR the way I described for the exact reason that I explained.

Yes, there are teams that don't for a variety of reasons (elite big, elite guard, quality help defenders, quality understanding of the unit)

Again: it seems some people view the game and aspects of it in a vacuum.

Change your lense

I'll ask you again: Do you think SVG is plenty satisfied with Dre's defense?

Does SVG view the world as black or white only or does he see shades of grey?

You're asking a loaded question that can't be answered with a blanket statement

Plenty satisfied? No, especially on the nights Dre doesn't give the effort

Satisfied on some plays on some nights? Absolutely!


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