Ish Smith Signed?

[hoophabit]

only good move by pistons in this summer

Exactly. Well, this one, Meeks for cap space, signing Leuer and Boban. Oh yeah, and drafting Ellenson. Aside from that, all our moves this offseason have SUCKED.

This. An important point here is that Stan did try to shoot the moon with bigger free agents but they chose against the Detroit market. He did exceedingly well with what we had.

I think these are just incremental bench upgrades. None of the acquisitions are stars, obviously, but they improve and better balance the roster. Leuer is a rotation big. A 2nd rounder who managed to stay in the league. He isn't going to lead your team anywhere, but will be handy against longer more mobile opposing bigs, and can rebound and snipe from the outside some. Ish doesn't shoot well but surely can push it up the floor putting more pressure on opposing defenses and giving our young guys better running opportunities.

I don't think it's the "Detroit market" that being rejected but the Pistons themselves. They haven't proved their point to where they are especially attractive. In terms of sports markets, Detroit/Michigan is higher ranked than Oakland or Miami (and others.) Stars want to go where they feel very confident they will succeed. The Pistons as of the end of last year looked like a team with some promise but still having some obvious flaws. If the Pistons start making more than cameo playoff appearances, better FAs will come.

[Pharaoh]

Exactly. Well, this one, Meeks for cap space, signing Leuer and Boban. Oh yeah, and drafting Ellenson. Aside from that, all our moves this offseason have SUCKED.

This. An important point here is that Stan did try to shoot the moon with bigger free agents but they chose against the Detroit market. He did exceedingly well with what we had.

I think these are just incremental bench upgrades. None of the acquisitions are stars, obviously, but they improve and better balance the roster. Leuer is a rotation big. A 2nd rounder who managed to stay in the league. He isn't going to lead your team anywhere, but will be handy against longer more mobile opposing bigs, and can rebound and snipe from the outside some. Ish doesn't shoot well but surely can push it up the floor putting more pressure on opposing defenses and giving our young guys better running opportunities.

I don't think it's the "Detroit market" that being rejected but the Pistons themselves. They haven't proved their point to where they are especially attractive. In terms of sports markets, Detroit/Michigan is higher ranked than Oakland or Miami (and others.) Stars want to go where they feel very confident they will succeed. The Pistons as of the end of last year looked like a team with some promise but still having some obvious flaws. If the Pistons start making more than cameo playoff appearances, better FAs will come.

Then they're not actually stars IMO

[This is not just about Durant or Lebron, it's my general opinion of all players that leave a quality situation for an "easier" path]

Any "superstar" player that doesn't want to go through tough times and tough opponents isn't all that great IMO

Now there is a huge difference between accepting a tough challenge, doing everything humanly possible to get there THEN having your team trade you to a better situation (let's say Kevin Garnett) and doing what Durant & Lebron did.

In the Garnett situation BOTH his original franchise and his new franchise benefited - one got to rebuild with young assets while the other became a contender. Win-win and that's good business by both the player and both organizations

In the Durant/Lebron situation you KILL the franchise you're leaving because they lose a superstar for NOTHING!

Spare me the bull of "I'll miss them. I owe the community so much. I love them" - GTFO!

If they cared about the fans or the franchise or the community they wouldn't have left them empty handed.

I've got more respect for Kobe's insane contract extension than for anyone that does what Durant & Lebron did - and Lebron did it TWICE!

And I'm sure someone will say "they didn't choose to be drafted by that team" - you're right, they didn't! But when they were drafted they weren't one of the absolute best players in the **** league either PLUS no one forced you to stay beyond your rookie deal - pull a Monroe if you wanna walk!

Better to leave something BEFORE it's built than to bail when you're almost finished!

To leave them with nothing is poor and to me says a lot about the character of the guys some people put on pedestals.

You wanna put a"new era" NBA player on a pedestal? Duncan, Dirk, Kobe.

2 took less money hoping to win & only one of them did. The third said pay me because I did everything humanly possible.

[hoophabit]

This. An important point here is that Stan did try to shoot the moon with bigger free agents but they chose against the Detroit market. He did exceedingly well with what we had.

I think these are just incremental bench upgrades. None of the acquisitions are stars, obviously, but they improve and better balance the roster. Leuer is a rotation big. A 2nd rounder who managed to stay in the league. He isn't going to lead your team anywhere, but will be handy against longer more mobile opposing bigs, and can rebound and snipe from the outside some. Ish doesn't shoot well but surely can push it up the floor putting more pressure on opposing defenses and giving our young guys better running opportunities.

I don't think it's the "Detroit market" that being rejected but the Pistons themselves. They haven't proved their point to where they are especially attractive. In terms of sports markets, Detroit/Michigan is higher ranked than Oakland or Miami (and others.) Stars want to go where they feel very confident they will succeed. The Pistons as of the end of last year looked like a team with some promise but still having some obvious flaws. If the Pistons start making more than cameo playoff appearances, better FAs will come.

Then they're not actually stars IMO

[This is not just about Durant or Lebron, it's my general opinion of all players that leave a quality situation for an "easier" path]

Any "superstar" player that doesn't want to go through tough times and tough opponents isn't all that great IMO

Now there is a huge difference between accepting a tough challenge, doing everything humanly possible to get there THEN having your team trade you to a better situation (let's say Kevin Garnett) and doing what Durant & Lebron did.

In the Garnett situation BOTH his original franchise and his new franchise benefited - one got to rebuild with young assets while the other became a contender. Win-win and that's good business by both the player and both organizations

In the Durant/Lebron situation you KILL the franchise you're leaving because they lose a superstar for NOTHING!

Spare me the bull of "I'll miss them. I owe the community so much. I love them" - GTFO!

If they cared about the fans or the franchise or the community they wouldn't have left them empty handed.

I've got more respect for Kobe's insane contract extension than for anyone that does what Durant & Lebron did - and Lebron did it TWICE!

And I'm sure someone will say "they didn't choose to be drafted by that team" - you're right, they didn't! But when they were drafted they weren't one of the absolute best players in the **** league either PLUS no one forced you to stay beyond your rookie deal - pull a Monroe if you wanna walk!

Better to leave something BEFORE it's built than to bail when you're almost finished!

To leave them with nothing is poor and to me says a lot about the character of the guys some people put on pedestals.

You wanna put a"new era" NBA player on a pedestal? Duncan, Dirk, Kobe.

2 took less money hoping to win & only one of them did. The third said pay me because I did everything humanly possible.

Um, okay. You weren't drunk were you?

If you're making the point about the value of team identification and loyalty, it looks like we'll need an Andre Drummond appreciation thread. He's not going to Monroe us, or so it appears.

Players end up FA and have to make deals. Even stars are forced out because of the roster. It's not always a matter of being a traitor. Superstars have a lot more control and are subjected to greater scrutiny by the fans. (Of course, all is forgiven down in Cleveland.)

Durant certainly humbled himself in making his deal. LBJ at least had the fig leaf of going home and not to a team that had been in the finals the last two years winning one. I guess leading a team anywhere of note isn't big on his agenda.

[whitehops]

don't think there has been an ish smith-specific thread so i bumped this one.

there were some bumps to start the year but i don't think there is a single person that is upset with ish. he's been great lately and his last 11 games have been special in terms of his job facilitating the offense. not only is he getting everyone involved but he is really pushing the pace which is giving the team a big advantage because they are getting good looks with the defense scrambling.

in that 11 game stretch he has 69 assists (6.3 APG) and a measly 4 turnovers.

[Han Solo]

Pretty happy with this. I never even considered Ish Smith. Whole lot to like with this move.

This Han Solo fella seems like he knows his stuff..

[MotownMadness]

Ish has been awesome, Amazing contract for his impact out there.

[Blkbrd671]

Pretty happy with this. I never even considered Ish Smith. Whole lot to like with this move.

This Han Solo fella seems like he knows his stuff..

depends, Sober Han Solo's a d*...........................

If i recall correclty Ish was always one of those players that went off on us. Glad to see he's finally found a system that plays to his strengths