Game 32: Pistons (14-17) vs. Warriors (26-4) - 7:30 PM EST

[whitehops]

couldn't watch the game but watched the end of the third quarter onward just now. the team looked like they played well, just had some mistakes/breakdowns at the end and that's often going to be the difference in close games.

tomorrow (if i have time) i'll break down the key plays that SVG mentioned in his post game presser, the two offensive rebounds and the draymond green dunk play.



from what i saw the team was playing with good effort which is a welcome sight to what we've been subjected to lately. win or lose hopefully they keep it up against cleveland.

[El Chivo]

Nice game

[JohnReese]

The 2017 draft is not the answer. There are 7 big prizes (Fultz, Ball, Smith, Ntikilina, Jackson, Giles and Monk) and we are not gonna be one of the seven worst records. We need to make the PO whatever it takes, if not we will become something like Wizards last years.

[russkopp]

The 2017 draft is not the answer. There are 7 big prizes (Fultz, Ball, Smith, Ntikilina, Jackson, Giles and Monk) and we are not gonna be one of the seven worst records. We need to make the PO whatever it takes, if not we will become something like Wizards last years.

That is this team's destiny for the foreseeable future...7, 8 seed/just miss the playoffs treadmill team.

We have no star let alone a guy who can score 30 (I believe we're the only team that hasn't had a player score 30 this season). We're trapped. This is it.

[old rem]

Drummond will never be what we need him to be.

Drummond is good at things he's good at. The FT line is... beyond his range. don't expect midrange shooting. He's not a real passer nor quick enough to do much perimeter D. He rebounds, does inside D. GSW can go " small" and drum can't keep up with Green or Durant who are too mobile. However he can battle big centers in the paint. What you see.. is what you get.

[need4detroit]

Drummond will never be what we need him to be.

Drummond is good at things he's good at. The FT line is... beyond his range. don't expect midrange shooting. He's not a real passer nor quick enough to do much perimeter D. He rebounds, does inside D. GSW can go " small" and drum can't keep up with Green or Durant who are too mobile. However he can battle big centers in the paint. What you see.. is what you get.

LMAO if he can keep up with Steph Curry on the perimeter for any amount of time he can keep up with Draymond. His problem isn't mobility. Its that his bball iq leaves a lot to be desired and a lot of the time he plays lazily and just goes for steals.

[Cowology]

The problem with Dre, boyhood the obvious things like FTs and effort, is that he's shown little development in terms of his defensive instincts.

If he's not going to be Dwight offensively then we need to see a big improvement in his post and/or help defense. His positioning is still atrocious and he shows or defensive awareness. You can only get by on athleticism for so long; to take the next step we need him to be our anchor.

[DBC10]

The problem with Dre, boyhood the obvious things like FTs and effort, is that he's shown little development in terms of his defensive instincts.

If he's not going to be Dwight offensively then we need to see a big improvement in his post and/or help defense. His positioning is still atrocious and he shows or defensive awareness. You can only get by on athleticism for so long; to take the next step we need him to be our anchor.

That's literally all I have ever wanted out of Dre. Play with that same hustle and attitude like he did during his rookie years. Now that he has "matured" he's doing things like demanding post touches which are absolutely terrible for us save for certain exceptions. All he really needs to do is play the DeAndre Jordan role and know he's not a capable post scorer but a huge lob and PnR threat.

He's been getting better, with the help of KCP's PnRs but it needs to be a constant thing for us to really go anywhere.

[whitehops]

ok... so here are the three key plays SVG identified in his post game presser:

he talks about them from 2:10 to about 3:07

Watch on YouTube

offensive rebound 1:

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

https://gfycat.com/UnawareWarmGuineapig

not much to this one. the ball came off the rim quickly and zaza managed to tip it. once it's tipped and curry has the ball though, you can see zaza slowly start to move to about the elbow while dre is standing at the rim watching the ball. then zaza runs to set the screen, i'm not sure if this is what makes drummond start to finally run out or if it was SVG (you can see him kind of jumping up and down). it's a pretty lethargic closeout from dre. whether it's fatigue/focus/whatever, this one is pretty much all on dre.

offensive rebound 2:

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

https://gfycat.com/EducatedFalseHarborseal#?speed=0.5

a lot of things happen quickly on this play. i think harris makes the right play by giving green the three, curry was one pass away with klay in that corner too. iguodala maybe gets away with a bit of a push on SJ but the key thing here is curry's movement on the rebound. not sure if he could tell it was going to be a miss but just before it hits the rim curry cuts across the court and the way it works out is that iggy essentially sets a screen for him so he's wide open for a 3. KCP sees this and leaves durant, who he was on. harris and johnson are still stuck on the screen so iggy passes out to durant who steps into a 3. SJ was a step slow on the closeout because harris was crossing his body, it looked like harris was still trying to recover to curry. harris looks the most lost on the play but i'm gonna chalk this one up to miscommunication. it's crazy how curry didn't even touch the ball but had such a big impact on the play. a lot of things happen quickly on this play, i recommend you click the link so you can slow it down.

GSW Play:

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

https://gfycat.com/CrispLegitimateAplomadofalcon

clever play tbh. curry looks to be setting a screen for klay but this is a decoy. it lets curry to get a free release because KCP is hedging in anticipation of klay coming off the screen and reggie hangs back a bit in case he has to switch on curry which lets klay catch the ball uncontested. drummond seems to know what's coming since he moves as soon as green does despite having his attention in the corner. he doesn't get his head around in time and lets curry stonewall him. not sure if KCP didn't let him know soon enough or dre was just slow to react, but you can see why SVG is so frustrated at the end since he told the team exactly what to expect. my guess with the play is if green wasn't open on the cut then curry would come off a screen from durant.


the second play was pretty tough imo but the first and third were definitely avoidable if drummond did a better job. you do get to see why the warriors are so deadly though. beside having a ton of elite talent they set so many screens and have movement off the ball that your team/help defense really has to be on point to defend them.

[hoophabit]

I don't know that he's actually soft, but he seems to like to play a finesse game. That is a poor approach for someone of his athletic gifts and size. Going hard to the basket with two hands should be a more prevalent part of Drummond's offensive arsenal. Defensively, he lets guys get to their spots too easily, and there is no excuse for that. He should be one of the toughest guys in that respect.
Still, I find myself cheered today as the team played very well last night. Reggie is looking more like himself, SJ is starting to play his role with enthusiasm, and the Leuer/Harris swap looked like the right move. There's a lot of season left.

[mattao313]

The problem with Dre, boyhood the obvious things like FTs and effort, is that he's shown little development in terms of his defensive instincts.

If he's not going to be Dwight offensively then we need to see a big improvement in his post and/or help defense. His positioning is still atrocious and he shows or defensive awareness. You can only get by on athleticism for so long; to take the next step we need him to be our anchor.

That's literally all I have ever wanted out of Dre. Play with that same hustle and attitude like he did during his rookie years. Now that he has "matured" he's doing things like demanding post touches which are absolutely terrible for us save for certain exceptions. All he really needs to do is play the DeAndre Jordan role and know he's not a capable post scorer but a huge lob and PnR threat.

He's been getting better, with the help of KCP's PnRs but it needs to be a constant thing for us to really go anywhere.

To be honest at this point it might be better to have him totally switch and commit to the perimeter at times since he isn't a rim protector. It might help Reggie since he gets caught on A LOT of screens but can hold his own down low.

[DBC10]

The problem with Dre, boyhood the obvious things like FTs and effort, is that he's shown little development in terms of his defensive instincts.

If he's not going to be Dwight offensively then we need to see a big improvement in his post and/or help defense. His positioning is still atrocious and he shows or defensive awareness. You can only get by on athleticism for so long; to take the next step we need him to be our anchor.

That's literally all I have ever wanted out of Dre. Play with that same hustle and attitude like he did during his rookie years. Now that he has "matured" he's doing things like demanding post touches which are absolutely terrible for us save for certain exceptions. All he really needs to do is play the DeAndre Jordan role and know he's not a capable post scorer but a huge lob and PnR threat.

He's been getting better, with the help of KCP's PnRs but it needs to be a constant thing for us to really go anywhere.

To be honest at this point it might be better to have him totally switch and commit to the perimeter at times since he isn't a rim protector. It might help Reggie since he gets caught on A LOT of screens but can hold his own down low.

Yeah, it's safe to say the experiment for turning Dre into the next "Shaq" is over. He hasn't gotten better at his post moves except learning a couple moves, but his conversion rate on those into makes has been piss poor and stagnant. We need him to be a dynamic big for defense and for our guards in setting screens.

[bstein14]

It wasn't long ago that Dre was leading the league on the offensive glass because he knew plays weren't going to be called for him... he had to hit the offensive glass to score. Now he doesn't go after it like he used to because he's trying to get post position and then when he doesn't get the ball thrown to him he's too busy sulking that his teammate took a shot.

[mattao313]

It wasn't long ago that Dre was leading the league on the offensive glass because he knew plays weren't going to be called for him... he had to hit the offensive glass to score. Now he doesn't go after it like he used to because he's trying to get post position and then when he doesn't get the ball thrown to him he's too busy sulking that his teammate took a shot.

This what I been saying all season Andre is kinda worthless without his offensive rebounding cause he wan't just elite he was "all time" good at it. He just need to get back to the basics, him getting uncontested defensive rebounds is just worthless stat padding.

[Pharaoh]

ok... so here are the three key plays SVG identified in his post game presser:

he talks about them from 2:10 to about 3:07

Watch on YouTube

offensive rebound 1:

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

https://gfycat.com/UnawareWarmGuineapig

not much to this one. the ball came off the rim quickly and zaza managed to tip it. once it's tipped and curry has the ball though, you can see zaza slowly start to move to about the elbow while dre is standing at the rim watching the ball. then zaza runs to set the screen, i'm not sure if this is what makes drummond start to finally run out or if it was SVG (you can see him kind of jumping up and down). it's a pretty lethargic closeout from dre. whether it's fatigue/focus/whatever, this one is pretty much all on dre.

offensive rebound 2:

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

https://gfycat.com/EducatedFalseHarborseal#?speed=0.5

a lot of things happen quickly on this play. i think harris makes the right play by giving green the three, curry was one pass away with klay in that corner too. iguodala maybe gets away with a bit of a push on SJ but the key thing here is curry's movement on the rebound. not sure if he could tell it was going to be a miss but just before it hits the rim curry cuts across the court and the way it works out is that iggy essentially sets a screen for him so he's wide open for a 3. KCP sees this and leaves durant, who he was on. harris and johnson are still stuck on the screen so iggy passes out to durant who steps into a 3. SJ was a step slow on the closeout because harris was crossing his body, it looked like harris was still trying to recover to curry. harris looks the most lost on the play but i'm gonna chalk this one up to miscommunication. it's crazy how curry didn't even touch the ball but had such a big impact on the play. a lot of things happen quickly on this play, i recommend you click the link so you can slow it down.

GSW Play:

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

https://gfycat.com/CrispLegitimateAplomadofalcon

clever play tbh. curry looks to be setting a screen for klay but this is a decoy. it lets curry to get a free release because KCP is hedging in anticipation of klay coming off the screen and reggie hangs back a bit in case he has to switch on curry which lets klay catch the ball uncontested. drummond seems to know what's coming since he moves as soon as green does despite having his attention in the corner. he doesn't get his head around in time and lets curry stonewall him. not sure if KCP didn't let him know soon enough or dre was just slow to react, but you can see why SVG is so frustrated at the end since he told the team exactly what to expect. my guess with the play is if green wasn't open on the cut then curry would come off a screen from durant.


the second play was pretty tough imo but the first and third were definitely avoidable if drummond did a better job. you do get to see why the warriors are so deadly though. beside having a ton of elite talent they set so many screens and have movement off the ball that your team/help defense really has to be on point to defend them.

Someone please pay this man!

Loving your work, hoping you continue to post stuff like this and hoping more of the board appreciates it!

You've my Christmas day better mate and when I'm sitting in an inflatable pool drinking JDs that's a difficult thing to do!

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[Pharaoh]

ok... so here are the three key plays SVG identified in his post game presser:

he talks about them from 2:10 to about 3:07

Watch on YouTube

offensive rebound 1:

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

https://gfycat.com/UnawareWarmGuineapig

not much to this one. the ball came off the rim quickly and zaza managed to tip it. once it's tipped and curry has the ball though, you can see zaza slowly start to move to about the elbow while dre is standing at the rim watching the ball. then zaza runs to set the screen, i'm not sure if this is what makes drummond start to finally run out or if it was SVG (you can see him kind of jumping up and down). it's a pretty lethargic closeout from dre. whether it's fatigue/focus/whatever, this one is pretty much all on dre.

offensive rebound 2:

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

https://gfycat.com/EducatedFalseHarborseal#?speed=0.5

a lot of things happen quickly on this play. i think harris makes the right play by giving green the three, curry was one pass away with klay in that corner too. iguodala maybe gets away with a bit of a push on SJ but the key thing here is curry's movement on the rebound. not sure if he could tell it was going to be a miss but just before it hits the rim curry cuts across the court and the way it works out is that iggy essentially sets a screen for him so he's wide open for a 3. KCP sees this and leaves durant, who he was on. harris and johnson are still stuck on the screen so iggy passes out to durant who steps into a 3. SJ was a step slow on the closeout because harris was crossing his body, it looked like harris was still trying to recover to curry. harris looks the most lost on the play but i'm gonna chalk this one up to miscommunication. it's crazy how curry didn't even touch the ball but had such a big impact on the play. a lot of things happen quickly on this play, i recommend you click the link so you can slow it down.

GSW Play:

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

https://gfycat.com/CrispLegitimateAplomadofalcon

clever play tbh. curry looks to be setting a screen for klay but this is a decoy. it lets curry to get a free release because KCP is hedging in anticipation of klay coming off the screen and reggie hangs back a bit in case he has to switch on curry which lets klay catch the ball uncontested. drummond seems to know what's coming since he moves as soon as green does despite having his attention in the corner. he doesn't get his head around in time and lets curry stonewall him. not sure if KCP didn't let him know soon enough or dre was just slow to react, but you can see why SVG is so frustrated at the end since he told the team exactly what to expect. my guess with the play is if green wasn't open on the cut then curry would come off a screen from durant.


the second play was pretty tough imo but the first and third were definitely avoidable if drummond did a better job. you do get to see why the warriors are so deadly though. beside having a ton of elite talent they set so many screens and have movement off the ball that your team/help defense really has to be on point to defend them.

Someone please pay this man!

Loving your work, hoping you continue to post stuff like this and hoping more of the board appreciates it!

You've my Christmas day better mate and when I'm sitting in an inflatable pool drinking JDs that's a difficult thing to do!

Sent from my SM-J110F using RealGM mobile app

The last play is on Klay's defender though.

You see Klay come up to jam Drummond...it's up to Klay's defender to realise why!

IF Klay's defender slides to check the cutter then there's at least a 1 on 1 situation as opposed to 1 on none

I still think the bucket happens...but wouldn't look nearly as bad.

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