Hypothetical Conflict

topsearch92 · Post #1 » by **topsearch92** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 1:47 pm

So I want to start by saying I don't think there's any drama between SVG and Drummond, I know Drummonds had a good stretch and was pretty active on the floor last night. But his long range hook shots instead of a physical post game and lack of defensive awareness at times make me wonder about his coachability. Leading to if SVG walked into Gores office and said I'm trading Drummond, does he have the support with Drummonds max contract and marketing of a star player? Separately Drummond walks into Gores office and demands SVG be fired like Howard did. Who does Gores side with? I'm pretty sure we all back SVG but does Gores?

MotownMadness · Post #2 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 1:49 pm

I would put money on Gores having SVGs back seeing as he relies on him to run everything.

Kilo · Post #3 » by **Kilo** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 2:01 pm

I think Gores would back SVG. Stan is President and HC, to replace Stan it would basically mean remaking the whole front office. Dre is not that special a player, not by a long shot.

topsearch92 · Post #4 » by **topsearch92** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 2:13 pm

Kilo wrote:I think Gores would back SVG. Stan is President and HC, to replace Stan it would basically mean remaking the whole front office. Dre is not that special a player, not by a long shot.

I do agree. I just know Gores has practically chaperoned Drummond's dates and seems pretty close to Drummond. I guess Drummond's contract is not a monster like max contracts used to be. I wonder what his patience level is if we miss the playoffs and something like this came up.

Pharaoh · Post #5 » by **Pharaoh** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 2:43 pm

Gores sides with SVG.

Never make business personally!

Gores & Dre can still have their buddy time - but ain't no way Gores is keeping him over Stan

BTW, it'd be more expensive to get rid of SVG & his boys in the FO and on the coaching staff

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Post #6 » by **theBigLip** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 6:14 pm

INteresting thread but I think Gores goes with SVG. If not, there would never be any control of the team anytime soon. The new GM and coach would need to kiss Dre's ass and the other players would make their power plays as well. It would get ugly. So better to side with SVG, let Drummond get a little pissy (or even traded), but still have control of the team.

bballnmike · Post #7 » by **bballnmike** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 7:08 pm

Agree with what's been said so far, and to add to that... If Gores had to pick a side, even if he was split 50/50 between the two, he can get some valuable assets for Dre. (Other than Doc Rivers that one time) you can't really trade your coach and front office.

Blkbrd671 · Post #8 » by **Blkbrd671** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 10:40 pm

topsearch92 wrote:So I want to start by saying I don't think there's any drama between SVG and Drummond, I know Drummonds had a good stretch and was pretty active on the floor last night. But his long range hook shots instead of a physical post game and lack of defensive awareness at times make me wonder about his coachability. Leading to if SVG walked into Gores office and said I'm trading Drummond, does he have the support with Drummonds max contract and marketing of a star player? Separately Drummond walks into Gores office and demands SVG be fired like Howard did. Who does Gores side with? I'm pretty sure we all back SVG but does Gores?

SVG would walk in and just put down a season of the Detroit pistons past 6 years and where we are now. Gores has SVG's back and by all indications if we are trading Dre, its because SVG is trade raping somebody else

DBC10 · Post #9 » by **DBC10** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 11:12 pm

Well, Gores is a savvy business man (I think) so you get rid of Dre instead of SVG and his FO if you wanted to be something relevant in the long term. This season has really shown how vulnerable Dre has been with much more emphasis on RJ too.

tmorgan · Post #10 » by **tmorgan** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:54 am

This team needs a 6'3" version of Ish Smith with an average jumper in the worst possible way. Drummond has flaws, big ones, but he's not the real problem. A good, actual PG could make even current Dre into a formidable player.

SVG knows this. Reggie isn't right at the moment, but even when he is, he isn't an ideal guy to run this team. SVG and Drummond aren't going to have any conflicts unless Drummond lets the wrong people get into his head.

mattao313 · Post #11 » by **mattao313** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:04 am

I would think he would roll with SVG, Drummond isn't that good to turn on your "President of basketball operations".

DBC10 · Post #12 » by **DBC10** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:20 am

Well let's just say, I'd rather give SVG a 10 year contract than give Dre another 5 years.

mattao313 · Post #13 » by **mattao313** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:17 pm

tmorgan wrote:This team needs a 6'3" version of Ish Smith with an average jumper in the worst possible way. Drummond has flaws, big ones, but he's not the real problem. A good, actual PG could make even current Dre into a formidable player.

SVG knows this. Reggie isn't right at the moment, but even when he is, he isn't an ideal guy to run this team. SVG and Drummond aren't going to have any conflicts unless Drummond lets the wrong people get into his head.

Lonzo Ball...

ComboGuardCity · Post #14 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:20 pm

tmorgan wrote:This team needs a 6'3" version of Ish Smith with an average jumper in the worst possible way. Drummond has flaws, big ones, but he's not the real problem. A good, actual PG could make even current Dre into a formidable player.

SVG knows this. Reggie isn't right at the moment, but even when he is, he isn't an ideal guy to run this team. SVG and Drummond aren't going to have any conflicts unless Drummond lets the wrong people get into his head.

That's Russell Westbrook

topsearch92 · Post #15 » by **topsearch92** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:55 pm

mattao313 wrote:
tmorgan wrote:This team needs a 6'3" version of Ish Smith with an average jumper in the worst possible way. Drummond has flaws, big ones, but he's not the real problem. A good, actual PG could make even current Dre into a formidable player.

SVG knows this. Reggie isn't right at the moment, but even when he is, he isn't an ideal guy to run this team. SVG and Drummond aren't going to have any conflicts unless Drummond lets the wrong people get into his head.

Lonzo Ball...

Is not even close to a possibility

Billl · Post #16 » by **Billl** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:35 pm

Seems like Gores is pretty hands off on the basketball side. If SVG wanted to trade dre for a comparable young star, he would probably get his way. If he wanted to dump drummond because of some personality conflict, I don't think Gores would be on board with selling low on the teams most valuable asset.

flow · Post #17 » by **flow** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:25 pm

tmorgan wrote:This team needs a 6'3" version of Ish Smith with an average jumper in the worst possible way. Drummond has flaws, big ones, but he's not the real problem. A good, actual PG could make even current Dre into a formidable player.

SVG knows this. Reggie isn't right at the moment, but even when he is, he isn't an ideal guy to run this team. SVG and Drummond aren't going to have any conflicts unless Drummond lets the wrong people get into his head.

I'm not sure any point guard can turn Drummond into a player he's not. But RJ certainly can't. SVG should have known that back in 2015, but he didn't.

ImHeisenberg · Post #18 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:29 pm

I think the glow off of Drummond's "star" is fading quickly. The league has responded to him, and figured him out. He hasn't elevated his game in any area to counteract this, either.

SVG has more power in the franchise than any player, and that was exactly how Gores wanted it when he hired him.

I can't say whether Drummond is coachable or not. I don't believe he wants to be a great player. I think he enjoys playing basketball for a living and making the money he does- but he doesn't want to realize his full potential. Which is fine, that's who he is. It's on SVG and his front office to recognize that and stop building around him and realize Drummond is best served as a compliment to a star player.

mattao313 · Post #19 » by **mattao313** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:38 pm

flow wrote:
tmorgan wrote:This team needs a 6'3" version of Ish Smith with an average jumper in the worst possible way. Drummond has flaws, big ones, but he's not the real problem. A good, actual PG could make even current Dre into a formidable player.

SVG knows this. Reggie isn't right at the moment, but even when he is, he isn't an ideal guy to run this team. SVG and Drummond aren't going to have any conflicts unless Drummond lets the wrong people get into his head.

If SVG "knew this", then he wouldn't have committed to RJ the way he did in the first place. He should have known (even I knew), but he didn't.

The whole reason he committed to RJ was because of Drummond. Yall must have a short memory but; even if Reggie isn't the PG you guys liked he fit with Drummond pretty well as a pnr partner. Even if he isn't throwing Drummond lobs every second him attacking the hoop gave drummond ample opportunities to attack the offensive boards. Reggies problem hasn't been the two man game him and Drummond worked well together last year it was all about him and the other guys which he sucks at the most.

DBC10 · Post #20 » by **DBC10** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:30 pm

mattao313 wrote:
flow wrote:
tmorgan wrote:This team needs a 6'3" version of Ish Smith with an average jumper in the worst possible way. Drummond has flaws, big ones, but he's not the real problem. A good, actual PG could make even current Dre into a formidable player.

SVG knows this. Reggie isn't right at the moment, but even when he is, he isn't an ideal guy to run this team. SVG and Drummond aren't going to have any conflicts unless Drummond lets the wrong people get into his head.

If SVG "knew this", then he wouldn't have committed to RJ the way he did in the first place. He should have known (even I knew), but he didn't.

The whole reason he committed to RJ was because of Drummond. Yall must have a short memory but; even if Reggie isn't the PG you guys liked he fit with Drummond pretty well as a pnr partner. Even if he isn't throwing Drummond lobs every second him attacking the hoop gave drummond ample opportunities to attack the offensive boards. Reggies problem hasn't been the two man game him and Drummond worked well together last year it was all about him and the other guys which he sucks at the most.

I think that is the problem though. The two man game when played correctly is one of the most powerful tools a team has on the offensive end. But the problem is, RJ and Dre are like one trick ponies, they don't know how to do anything else well on the offensive system. Teams no doubt scouted this out which is why the RJ and Dre PnR isn't nearly as apparent nor fluid like it was seen last year in spurts.

Instead of trying to refine that offense and expand upon it, they just doubled down on all of it and now it basically shuts out all of our other guys. Hence why our offense looks like it's just guys standing around not looking to catch the pass in anticipation.