Zach Lowe Feature On Detroit

[Pharaoh]

SVG didn't deny anything in the article though.

Basically said Lowe threw a lot out there but is it "illuminating"...then said he could write a heap of stuff too but would that be "illuminating" or ****?

Not to belabor the point blkbrd but there's your straight shooter - playing the media like a grand master should!

I'm more convinced now that the whole point of the article was to drum up trade offers over the ASB...which is why it's simply a regurgitation of what everyone already knows

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[DBC10]

SVG didn't deny anything in the article though.

Basically said Lowe threw a lot out there but is it "illuminating"...then said he could write a heap of stuff too but would that be "illuminating" or ****?

Not to belabor the point blkbrd but there's your straight shooter - playing the media like a grand master should!

I'm more convinced now that the whole point of the article was to drum up trade offers over the ASB...which is why it's simply a regurgitation of what everyone already knows

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I feel like SVG would vehemently deny those trade rumors if it was bad. But Lowe is about as reliable as you're gonna get within ESPN, so I'm going to trust his judgment and his reporting on this one. Even if it doesn't outright state Dre and RJ are being solicited, just the overall tone of the article strikes me as the fact that SVG and the entire FO isn't completely sold on both of them for the future.

[Pharaoh]

I think it's plausible that SVG & Lowe are at the very least on good terms - which is how reporters get the level of access and co-operation that guys like Lowe & Wojo get

Which is why SVG didn't trash the article and dodged the question - because he's using Lowe's article to bait the hook

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[hoophabit]

I think it's plausible that SVG & Lowe are at the very least on good terms - which is how reporters get the level of access and co-operation that guys like Lowe & Wojo get

Which is why SVG didn't trash the article and dodged the question - because he's using Lowe's article to bait the hook

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I wouldn't put it past him. I doubt NBA GMs etc. are vehemently denying much going into the AS break. This management has shown a willingness to deal. This point of the season is always fun.

[Blkbrd671]

SVG didn't deny anything in the article though.

Basically said Lowe threw a lot out there but is it "illuminating"...then said he could write a heap of stuff too but would that be "illuminating" or ****?

Not to belabor the point blkbrd but there's your straight shooter - playing the media like a grand master should!

I'm more convinced now that the whole point of the article was to drum up trade offers over the ASB...which is why it's simply a regurgitation of what everyone already knows

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your just restating your point and again providing little substance other than " i just know". Your also pigeon holing this whole "straight shooter" debate in a attempt to find some evidence that your right but ignoring the entire context of the discussion. Again as i have repeated, playing the PR game doesn't mean he's not a straight shooter.

The Rubio trade discussion for instance, SVG did not outright deny the discussion happened , but rather

“I’m not denying that discussions take place — they take place all the time,” Van Gundy said Saturday morning. “That’s a lot different than considerations. Somebody says, ‘Would you consider Ricky Rubio for Reggie Jackson?’ That discussion might have taken place — and clearly we didn’t make that move.

Also witholding information or not elaborating on discussions with the media is not the same thing as having a discussion with our roster. In context of our original discussion of the "Why not us" motto at the beginning of the season, your argument was that SVG was just bullsh* the team, but again provide 0 substance as you continue to do.

At this point i am done addressing this discussion, as its always the same , "I think my opinion is fact" debate again despite the fact that its completely outside his character.

[Pharaoh]

SVG didn't deny anything in the article though.

Basically said Lowe threw a lot out there but is it "illuminating"...then said he could write a heap of stuff too but would that be "illuminating" or ****?

Not to belabor the point blkbrd but there's your straight shooter - playing the media like a grand master should!

I'm more convinced now that the whole point of the article was to drum up trade offers over the ASB...which is why it's simply a regurgitation of what everyone already knows

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your just restating your point and again providing little substance other than " i just know". Your also pigeon holing this whole "straight shooter" debate in a attempt to find some evidence that your right but ignoring the entire context of the discussion. Again as i have repeated, playing the PR game doesn't mean he's not a straight shooter.

The Rubio trade discussion for instance, SVG did not outright deny the discussion happened , but rather

“I’m not denying that discussions take place — they take place all the time,” Van Gundy said Saturday morning. “That’s a lot different than considerations. Somebody says, ‘Would you consider Ricky Rubio for Reggie Jackson?’ That discussion might have taken place — and clearly we didn’t make that move.

Also witholding information or not elaborating on discussions with the media is not the same thing as having a discussion with our roster. In context of our original discussion of the "Why not us" motto at the beginning of the season, your argument was that SVG was just bullsh* the team, but again provide 0 substance as you continue to do.

At this point i am done addressing this discussion, as its always the same , "I think my opinion is fact" debate again despite the fact that its completely outside his character.

And there's the rub: completely outside SVGs character to play the game!

He's a straight shooter ALL the time, except here, here and here because YOU think so!

There is plenty of evidence the Why Not Us was/is BS too

You're passing your opinion off as fact when at every turn we see SVG being the cagey PR master that he is supposed to be!

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[Blkbrd671]

SVG didn't deny anything in the article though.

Basically said Lowe threw a lot out there but is it "illuminating"...then said he could write a heap of stuff too but would that be "illuminating" or ****?

Not to belabor the point blkbrd but there's your straight shooter - playing the media like a grand master should!

I'm more convinced now that the whole point of the article was to drum up trade offers over the ASB...which is why it's simply a regurgitation of what everyone already knows

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your just restating your point and again providing little substance other than " i just know". Your also pigeon holing this whole "straight shooter" debate in a attempt to find some evidence that your right but ignoring the entire context of the discussion. Again as i have repeated, playing the PR game doesn't mean he's not a straight shooter.

The Rubio trade discussion for instance, SVG did not outright deny the discussion happened , but rather

“I’m not denying that discussions take place — they take place all the time,” Van Gundy said Saturday morning. “That’s a lot different than considerations. Somebody says, ‘Would you consider Ricky Rubio for Reggie Jackson?’ That discussion might have taken place — and clearly we didn’t make that move.

Also witholding information or not elaborating on discussions with the media is not the same thing as having a discussion with our roster. In context of our original discussion of the "Why not us" motto at the beginning of the season, your argument was that SVG was just bullsh* the team, but again provide 0 substance as you continue to do.

At this point i am done addressing this discussion, as its always the same , "I think my opinion is fact" debate again despite the fact that its completely outside his character.

And there's the rub: completely outside SVGs character to play the game!

He's a straight shooter ALL the time, except here, here and here because YOU think so!

There is plenty of evidence the Why Not Us was/is BS too

You're passing your opinion off as fact when at every turn we see SVG being the cagey PR master that he is supposed to be!

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again your just trying to pigeon the whole the discussion because you have no substance to support your basis not to mention completely out of context of the original discussion. Being a "straight shooter" does not mean your upfront about everything, but rather if SVG says something, he's not bullsh*. In the example i provided, why wouldn't he just outright deny the rumor???

For pure sh*'s , i'll even entertain your notion that SVG is a bullsh*ter , and you still don't have any evidence that what he says is a PR move vs the truth, or that in this instance "he is bullsh*". So again, your just looking at any situation, developing a opinion, and stating it as fact. Either way your point has no substance.

[Pharaoh]

your just restating your point and again providing little substance other than " i just know". Your also pigeon holing this whole "straight shooter" debate in a attempt to find some evidence that your right but ignoring the entire context of the discussion. Again as i have repeated, playing the PR game doesn't mean he's not a straight shooter.

The Rubio trade discussion for instance, SVG did not outright deny the discussion happened , but rather


Also witholding information or not elaborating on discussions with the media is not the same thing as having a discussion with our roster. In context of our original discussion of the "Why not us" motto at the beginning of the season, your argument was that SVG was just bullsh* the team, but again provide 0 substance as you continue to do.

At this point i am done addressing this discussion, as its always the same , "I think my opinion is fact" debate again despite the fact that its completely outside his character.

And there's the rub: completely outside SVGs character to play the game!

He's a straight shooter ALL the time, except here, here and here because YOU think so!

There is plenty of evidence the Why Not Us was/is BS too

You're passing your opinion off as fact when at every turn we see SVG being the cagey PR master that he is supposed to be!

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again your just trying to pigeon the whole the discussion because you have no substance to support your basis not to mention completely out of context of the original discussion. Being a "straight shooter" does not mean your upfront about everything, but rather if SVG says something, he's not bullsh*. In the example i provided, why wouldn't he just outright deny the rumor???

For pure sh*'s , i'll even entertain your notion that SVG is a bullsh*ter , and you still don't have any evidence that what he says is a PR move vs the truth, or that in this instance "he is bullsh*". So again, your just looking at any situation, developing a opinion, and stating it as fact. Either way your point has no substance.

My point has no substance?

My point was/is SVG plays the media like any GM/Coach

And you've seen evidence of that all season with the "we've had discussions but not considerations", "is it illuminating or ****", "Why Not Us?", "we're not trading RJ...but even Lebron can be traded"

That's SVG! You just don't like me pointing this out cause it doesn't fit into your narrative that SVG is up front and honest!

There's a metric **** tonne of evidence that he's playing the game! Like they all do

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[Blkbrd671]

And there's the rub: completely outside SVGs character to play the game!

He's a straight shooter ALL the time, except here, here and here because YOU think so!

There is plenty of evidence the Why Not Us was/is BS too

You're passing your opinion off as fact when at every turn we see SVG being the cagey PR master that he is supposed to be!

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again your just trying to pigeon the whole the discussion because you have no substance to support your basis not to mention completely out of context of the original discussion. Being a "straight shooter" does not mean your upfront about everything, but rather if SVG says something, he's not bullsh*. In the example i provided, why wouldn't he just outright deny the rumor???

For pure sh*'s , i'll even entertain your notion that SVG is a bullsh*ter , and you still don't have any evidence that what he says is a PR move vs the truth, or that in this instance "he is bullsh*". So again, your just looking at any situation, developing a opinion, and stating it as fact. Either way your point has no substance.

My point has no substance?

My point was/is SVG plays the media like any GM/Coach

And you've seen evidence of that all season with the "we've had discussions but not considerations", "is it illuminating or ****", "Why Not Us?", "we're not trading RJ...but even Lebron can be traded"

That's SVG! You just don't like me pointing this out cause it doesn't fit into your narrative that SVG is up front and honest!

There's a metric **** tonne of evidence that he's playing the game! Like they all do

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The original discussion was SVG's "Why Not us" motto to the team was just him blowing smoke up the teams a*, and i replied that it is out of his character, and all your rebuttals couldn't provide any substance to support your basis that SVG is full of sh*. "Svg obviously lies or bullsh* the media, so obviously he bullsh* the team" is a clear example of you just reaching or grasping for anything , while ignoring context and logic.

What is even more ironic is that the examples you provided are clear examples of how SVG is too upfront and too honest. Why even admit to any rumors, and why even address news reports and articles, why even state to the media that "everyones available"?

We could go at this all day with almost any person and see if from each of our standpoints as support for our basis, but eventually and logically to determine "intent" you have to look at the type of person making the statements and their history. If want to believe SVG's a bullsh*er , i really couldn't give a sh* as my opinion is at least supported by those who deal with him everyday.

As you stated on almost every single one of these debates, "agree to disagree". Let it go Pharaoh, your not winning this debate

[Pharaoh]

again your just trying to pigeon the whole the discussion because you have no substance to support your basis not to mention completely out of context of the original discussion. Being a "straight shooter" does not mean your upfront about everything, but rather if SVG says something, he's not bullsh*. In the example i provided, why wouldn't he just outright deny the rumor???

For pure sh*'s , i'll even entertain your notion that SVG is a bullsh*ter , and you still don't have any evidence that what he says is a PR move vs the truth, or that in this instance "he is bullsh*". So again, your just looking at any situation, developing a opinion, and stating it as fact. Either way your point has no substance.

My point has no substance?

My point was/is SVG plays the media like any GM/Coach

And you've seen evidence of that all season with the "we've had discussions but not considerations", "is it illuminating or ****", "Why Not Us?", "we're not trading RJ...but even Lebron can be traded"

That's SVG! You just don't like me pointing this out cause it doesn't fit into your narrative that SVG is up front and honest!

There's a metric **** tonne of evidence that he's playing the game! Like they all do

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The original discussion was SVG's "Why Not us" motto to the team was just him blowing smoke up the teams a*, and i replied that it is out of his character, and all your rebuttals couldn't provide any substance to support your basis that SVG is full of sh*. "Svg obviously lies or bullsh* the media, so obviously he bullsh* the team" is a clear example of you just reaching or grasping for anything , while ignoring context and logic.

What is even more ironic is that the examples you provided are clear examples of how SVG is too upfront and too honest. Why even admit to any rumors, and why even address news reports and articles, why even state to the media that "everyones available"?

We could go at this all day with almost any person and see if from each of our standpoints as support for our basis, but eventually and logically to determine "intent" you have to look at the type of person making the statements and their history. If want to believe SVG's a bullsh*er , i really couldn't give a sh* as my opinion is at least supported by those who deal with him everyday.

As you stated on almost every single one of these debates, "agree to disagree". Let it go Pharaoh, your not winning this debate

And I'm not losing it either bro

Actually surprised you're that naive that you cant see SVGs "Why Not Us" BS was a motivational thing and all the stuff I stated is him once again playing the media

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[Blkbrd671]

MOVING ON

[Pharaoh]

MOVING ON

Obviously not lol

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