SMH SVG

[detroitKG]

I mean where exactly is he going to get his playing time? I'll answer the ? for you..no where because there's at least 3 or 4 guys better than him playing ahead of him...not hard to figure out...

[Blkbrd671]

lol, Ellenson does well in leagues that barely compare to the real NBA, clearly struggles in few minutes he does get against 3rd string players, but were giving SVG sh* for not playing him????

[bballnmike]

This sounds like the kind of take that comes from literally only looking at the W - L column and the minutes played column.

[whitehops]

No first round pick has played as little as he has. What context do you need?

let's try to be honest at least if we're trying to make a point.

Skal Labissiere, Damian Jones and Georgios Papagiannis have all played less minutes. the first two, like henry, have major weaknesses and i don't know much about papagiannis but it's probably the kings blowing another draft pick.

there's a good chance that henry was the least athletic player in the draft, despite having skill it was pretty clear he would need a couple years to work on his body before he could compete with nba-calibre athletes. what's the sense in throwing him out there to get roasted on defense?


also, the only 19/20 year old rookies that are playing any kind of consistent roles this year are brandon ingram, jamal murray, marquese chriss and jaylen brown. they're all top 10 picks. other than that, all the young rookies are getting DNP's, playing garbage time, and really only getting minutes because of injury.


i find it very hard to believe that the extra 200 or so minutes some of these rookies are getting are doing wonders for their development when, at this point, they need to practice more than compete.

[Jstock12]

also, the only 19/20 year old rookies that are playing any kind of consistent roles this year are brandon ingram, jamal murray, marquese chriss and jaylen brown. they're all top 10 picks.

There's also Domantas Sabonis (20 years old) who's starting at PF for the Thunder. He's played a total of 1235 minutes.

[whitehops]

also, the only 19/20 year old rookies that are playing any kind of consistent roles this year are brandon ingram, jamal murray, marquese chriss and jaylen brown. they're all top 10 picks.

There's also Domantas Sabonis (20 years old) who's starting at PF for the Thunder. He's played a total of 1235 minutes.

yeah i left him out because he's born in 1996 (the others are born in 1997) and he was a sophomore out of college while the others were freshman. jaylen brown is born in 96 but came out as a freshman so i left him on the list.


i was more just trying to say that most players that young simply aren't ready to play in the nba.

[Jstock12]

also, the only 19/20 year old rookies that are playing any kind of consistent roles this year are brandon ingram, jamal murray, marquese chriss and jaylen brown. they're all top 10 picks.

There's also Domantas Sabonis (20 years old) who's starting at PF for the Thunder. He's played a total of 1235 minutes.

yeah i left him out because he's born in 1996 (the others are born in 1997) and he was a sophomore out of college while the others were freshman. jaylen brown is born in 96 but came out as a freshman so i left him on the list.


i was more just trying to say that most players that young simply aren't ready to play in the nba.

True. Though as far as Ellenson's athleticism goes, he's definitely not a horrible athlete.

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[whitehops]

True. Though as far as Ellenson's athleticism goes, he's definitely not a horrible athlete.

he's not terrible in a straight line once he gets going and he's coordinated but he's pretty bad in any other facet. his start/stop ability is poor, he has no vertical presence from a standstill, poor lateral mobility, etc. when you combine all that with being physically weak it's not a good combination.

his body is just very underdeveloped in general, hopefully he really commits to improving his body the next few years.

[hoophabit]

True. Though as far as Ellenson's athleticism goes, he's definitely not a horrible athlete.

he's not terrible in a straight line once he gets going and he's coordinated but he's pretty bad in any other facet. his start/stop ability is poor, he has no vertical presence from a standstill, poor lateral mobility, etc. when you combine all that with being physically weak it's not a good combination.

his body is just very underdeveloped in general, hopefully he really commits to improving his body the next few years.

Henry isn't the Pistons' savior this year. SL demonstrated that while talented, Ellenson wasn't physically ready to be an NBA big. If the wheels fall off he'll get some floor time and everyone will understand. Henry would have some good moments, but as a whole the guys that are in front of him are there for a reason. SVG really seems to like him and his approach to the game, so I remain hopeful.

[Collymore]

SMH@"Kingy".
I just can't.

It's an Aussie thing dude.

If you have the name Henry you get the nickname King...aka King Henry


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He's closer to Henry Ramsay in Neighbours than a King Henry. Call him that until he deserves the King name.

[hoophabit]

SMH@"Kingy".
I just can't.

It's an Aussie thing dude.

If you have the name Henry you get the nickname King...aka King Henry


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He's closer to Henry Ramsay in Neighbours than a King Henry. Call him that until he deserves the King name.

I'll take the word of our Aussie friends that it's a common thing, but we're going according to the King James version at the moment.

[flow]

lol, Ellenson does well in leagues that barely compare to the real NBA, clearly struggles in few minutes he does get against 3rd string players, but were giving SVG sh* for not playing him????

He's played 7 minutes twice. 6 minutes once. It's ridiculous & short-sighted to conclude that a guy "clearly struggles" given such limited playing spurts.

People were saying the same about Bullock last season when he was getting 7 minutes here & there and yanked after his first miss. Then, late in the season, he actually got some meaningful run, and, what do you know, he showed something. Just like he had showed something when given meaningful minutes that preseason.

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3906522/henry-ellenson

[Blkbrd671]

lol, Ellenson does well in leagues that barely compare to the real NBA, clearly struggles in few minutes he does get against 3rd string players, but were giving SVG sh* for not playing him????

He's played 7 minutes twice. 6 minutes once. It's ridiculous & short-sighted to conclude that a guy "clearly struggles" given such limited playing spurts.

People were saying the same about Bullock last season when he was getting 7 minutes here & there and yanked after his first miss. Then, late in the season, he actually got some meaningful run, and, what do you know, he showed something. Just like he had showed something when given meaningful minutes that preseason.

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3906522/henry-ellenson

the thing you don't understand is that Ellenson has been given a chance more than just at the end of games and has shown he's not ready in terms of understanding where to be on both ends of the court. Exposing our team consistently. Bullock didn't get meaningful minutes because exactly that, the few times he was on the court he got exposed defensively hence why SJ eventually took back the role despite Bullock being the better shooter.

Lastly the other thing your absolutely ignoring is that SVG gets to see these guys in practice and review film in the D-league. Your automtically assuming that scoring 20 points in the d-league means he's doing things well when it has nothing to do with his positioning on both ends, fact he's not strong enough (yet) to defend the low post and sound enough technique to defend on the perimeter.

You can try to argue all you want but using the D-League and Preseason as examples just shoots your credibility down,. Its nothing in comparison to the NBA

[BadMofoPimp]

lol, Ellenson does well in leagues that barely compare to the real NBA, clearly struggles in few minutes he does get against 3rd string players, but were giving SVG sh* for not playing him????

He's played 7 minutes twice. 6 minutes once. It's ridiculous & short-sighted to conclude that a guy "clearly struggles" given such limited playing spurts.

People were saying the same about Bullock last season when he was getting 7 minutes here & there and yanked after his first miss. Then, late in the season, he actually got some meaningful run, and, what do you know, he showed something. Just like he had showed something when given meaningful minutes that preseason.

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3906522/henry-ellenson

the thing you don't understand is that Ellenson has been given a chance more than just at the end of games and has shown he's not ready in terms of understanding where to be on both ends of the court. Exposing our team consistently. Bullock didn't get meaningful minutes because exactly that, the few times he was on the court he got exposed defensively hence why SJ eventually took back the role despite Bullock being the better shooter.

Lastly the other thing your absolutely ignoring is that SVG gets to see these guys in practice and review film in the D-league. Your automtically assuming that scoring 20 points in the d-league means he's doing things well when it has nothing to do with his positioning on both ends, fact he's not strong enough (yet) to defend the low post and sound enough technique to defend on the perimeter.

You can try to argue all you want but using the D-League and Preseason as examples just shoots your credibility down,. Its nothing in comparison to the NBA

Same thing with using PER or advanced stats stating a backup who plays backups is better than a starter who plays against starters.

[need4detroit]

There's also Domantas Sabonis (20 years old) who's starting at PF for the Thunder. He's played a total of 1235 minutes.

yeah i left him out because he's born in 1996 (the others are born in 1997) and he was a sophomore out of college while the others were freshman. jaylen brown is born in 96 but came out as a freshman so i left him on the list.


i was more just trying to say that most players that young simply aren't ready to play in the nba.

True. Though as far as Ellenson's athleticism goes, he's definitely not a horrible athlete.

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I can do that and I'm 6'1'' and wouldn't even consider myself a freak. Hes 6'11 though. I mean the straight line mobility isn't bad but the explosiveness is subpar.