Is there anymore doubt that Andre and Reggie are the main problems here?

[sc8581]

you guys are overrating JV on the perimeter. he's always pulled in the games because he lacks the literal quickness to succeed. His ceiling isn't even close to dre's and jv has shown little progression from year to yeaer

What do you mean by " overrating JV on the perimeter"? He's got a nice shot from the top of the key, that's why and how he's able to utilize that pump fake so often. He can face up and drive, post up, finish with either hand we'll and gets some putbacks as well. He sucks on D but so does Dre, I just think he's smarter and will eventually be a rim protector if nothing else. They both need a change of scenery.

I think he was talking about Andre's defense. It's true Andre has a higher ceiling, he just won't reach it with Pistons. He might look really good on another team, I'm willing to live with that. JV has lower ceiling but considerably better fundamental basketball skills and basketball IQ. But we didn't do the trade so we're stuck with this assclown.

Could always revisit it in the summer.

Also, I'm not sure that JV has a lower ceiling to be honest, especially in todays game. With his size and skill, in the right situation he's 20-10-2 all day and I'm not talking about empty stats. Dre isn't even beginning to grasp the concept of fundamentals, by time he gets anywhere near his ceiling he'll be over 30 and incapable of being a difference maker.

[mattao313]

Jonas Valanciunas is bad on defense and is a black hole on offense. I don't want to deal with another no defense center unless he is absolutely elite on offense.

[sc8581]

Jonas Valanciunas is bad on defense and is a black hole on offense. I don't want to deal with another no defense center unless he is absolutely elite on offense.

He's no more of a black hole than Dre, at least he's got a lot of moves and touch. I get your point about the defense, I just think he would make us better.

[Pharaoh]

Jonas Valanciunas is bad on defense and is a black hole on offense. I don't want to deal with another no defense center unless he is absolutely elite on offense.

He's a black hole offensively cause Lowey & DeRozan monopolize the offense - when he gets the ball he's gotta get the bucket

Guys like JV & Vucevic struggle on D but offensively they're fundamentally sound and you can run offense through them high or low

A dude like Monroe is similar but never developed the jumper required, which is too bad for him because he'd be viewed in a different light if he could consistently knock down that jumper.

Even assuming we took JV & a pick for Dre all you've done is change the problem:

With Dre we lack on both ends but he's a big enough deterrent to be useful atm

With JV you'd need to acquire better defensive 4s cause if JV gets switched onto a perimeter guy he's toast!

I still believe running Morris/Harris PnRs is a good idea or running KCP/Harris PnRs are a good idea.

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[Blkbrd671]

you guys are overrating JV on the perimeter. he's always pulled in the games because he lacks the literal quickness to succeed. His ceiling isn't even close to dre's and jv has shown little progression from year to yeaer

What do you mean by " overrating JV on the perimeter"? He's got a nice shot from the top of the key, that's why and how he's able to utilize that pump fake so often. He can face up and drive, post up, finish with either hand we'll and gets some putbacks as well. He sucks on D but so does Dre, I just think he's smarter and will eventually be a rim protector if nothing else. They both need a change of scenery.

I think he was talking about Andre's defense. It's true Andre has a higher ceiling, he just won't reach it with Pistons. He might look really good on another team, I'm willing to live with that. JV has lower ceiling but considerably better fundamental basketball skills and basketball IQ. But we didn't do the trade so we're stuck with this assclown.

i was referring to defense. JV has a nice offensive game but is not confident with it. He's be a decent player and would trade baynes in a instant, but to trade andre with the hop of drafting a franchise player to replace him is fools gold. This would be a trade to possibly consider next year if its clear Dres just not getting the message

[Sort]

Dre lacks some in the real drive department If he wasn't so gifted or jus five inches shorter, he wouldn't be playing in this league. That said, I wasn't exactly mature at 23 either. He needs to man up, agree to rotate and close out on defense, and trust his teammates to rebound when he closes out or challenges on drives. Dre doesn't get that blocks don't matter as much as being a shot deterrent every time someone drives.

[mrfalse9]

Are we expecting a Reggie Jackson= DNP-CD in the upcoming games?

We'll I guess we deserve to see that so our momentum will not be disrupted.

[jakebernat]

Dre lacks some in the real drive department If he wasn't so gifted or jus five inches shorter, he wouldn't be playing in this league. That said, I wasn't exactly mature at 23 either. He needs to man up, agree to rotate and close out on defense, and trust his teammates to rebound when he closes out or challenges on drives. Dre doesn't get that blocks don't matter as much as being a shot deterrent every time someone drives.

i hate the age argument. it's bogus and irrelevant. this is now year 5 for him in the league and year 3 under SVG. this is far beyond simple defensive schemes and rotations. andre has issues giving full effort, and i'm not sure this is something you can correct. there is some serious mental f/uckery going on in that big dumb head of his.

effort, attention to detail, and willingness to play team ball is something you have demand out of kids still in school. at this level, it is an expectation. andre said it himself that he's a grown ass man. he needs to start acting like it and stop pouting/sulking like a teenage girl every time something doesn't go his way.

[jakebernat]

Are we expecting a Reggie Jackson= DNP-CD in the upcoming games?

We'll I guess we deserve to see that so our momentum will not be disrupted.

expecting? no, i wouldn't say that, but in all honesty, for his sake as well as ours, he needs to be shut down. he is so obviously not healthy right now, and he needs to seriously be considering surgery at this point. he's probably too stubborn to even consider that, though.

[Sort]

Dre lacks some in the real drive department If he wasn't so gifted or jus five inches shorter, he wouldn't be playing in this league. That said, I wasn't exactly mature at 23 either. He needs to man up, agree to rotate and close out on defense, and trust his teammates to rebound when he closes out or challenges on drives. Dre doesn't get that blocks don't matter as much as being a shot deterrent every time someone drives.

i hate the age argument. it's bogus and irrelevant. this is now year 5 for him in the league and year 3 under SVG. this is far beyond simple defensive schemes and rotations. andre has issues giving full effort, and i'm not sure this is something you can correct. there is some serious mental f/uckery going on in that big dumb head of his.

effort, attention to detail, and willingness to play team ball is something you have demand out of kids still in school. at this level, it is an expectation. andre said it himself that he's a grown ass man. he needs to start acting like it and stop pouting/sulking like a teenage girl every time something doesn't go his way.

That is fairly charged emotionally. It appears to me just pampering of a famous millionaire and not some mental derangement on Dre's part. Dre will never have Kobe or Dirk's drive, but he can make strides forward as he develops as a person. No guarantee he will, but certainly could.