Van Gundy Quotes...

[El Chivo]

It's not realistic to expect them to blow it up coming into a new building. They'll run the same group back, blame this year on Reggie's injury, we'll get a lot of fluff quotes about guys being more accountable and we'll get another treadmill year, hoping to be just good enough to get the casual fans to come to the new arena.


Gores, SVG and a good portion of the fanbase aren't willing to Hinkie this thing. Stan knows we aren't winning a title with this core but he knows he won't survive bottoming out. Even if we found a Kwahi or Paul George with our draft pick they'll be chained to the bench for 2 years. Some of us just need to admit and accept that building a championship franchise is not the current goal.

I can live without a championship team, but at least try to be decent and watchable!

[Pharaoh]

SVG misunderstood the personalities he put together as much as he misunderstood the talent!
RJ is a guy that some players will follow - he can tell stories about Harden, Ibaka, Durant, Westbrook when all of them were together and rising up...you think Drummond doesn't eat that **** up?

Meanwhile KCP & Tobias STFU and go to work, doing what they can on either end...

As Mook claims he's trying to bring everyone together while being a massive ball stopper and jacking shots!

As all this is going on you've got Ish probably wondering why he signed here, Bullock just trying to get healthy so he can earn another contract, SJ trying to work out the length of his chain on a nightly basis, Henry wishing he had a chain at all as Jon Boy blows hard from the most minutes he's ever played

And in the background is Bobo...wishing he never left San Antonio and wondering if Pop was **** with him when he told him to take the money!

Dysfunctional as ****!

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[LaSheed]

More or less just a set back of what Milwaukee/Washington went through. Well I hope atleast.

Although I am nervous going on with an injured Reggie and a uninspired Drummond.

[Pharaoh]

Having just re-read Chauncey's letter to his younger self (playertribune) I think RJ should read it.

I see a lot of parallels in their stories...how perception can become the focus and reality is irrelevant...how there's more to playing PG than worrying about your own game...how "they" only give you ONE shot at making it so you better make it...

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[ImHeisenberg]

It's not realistic to expect them to blow it up coming into a new building. They'll run the same group back, blame this year on Reggie's injury, we'll get a lot of fluff quotes about guys being more accountable and we'll get another treadmill year, hoping to be just good enough to get the casual fans to come to the new arena.


Gores, SVG and a good portion of the fanbase aren't willing to Hinkie this thing. Stan knows we aren't winning a title with this core but he knows he won't survive bottoming out. Even if we found a Kwahi or Paul George with our draft pick they'll be chained to the bench for 2 years. Some of us just need to admit and accept that building a championship franchise is not the current goal.

You're absolutely correct. SVG may be generous, but he isn't selfless. He knows Gores will probably ax him next summer unless the team makes a significant leap, and I don't mean limping back into the 8th seed again.

So what are SVG's options this summer?

He doesn't have the assets to fleece a team for a major upgrade. His team perpetually under-achieved this year, everyone's value is relatively bottomed out.

He can't take a step back to make two forward- it will likely cost him his job. Screw team longevity, he needs them checks.

So he has KCP as a RFA, the 12th pick in a 10 player draft, and the mid-level exception to work with for the most part.

I think he matches any offer sheet KCP sign, and then shrugs his shoulders when asked why he's paying him the max and explaining that the brilliant Brooklyn Nets, the masters of overpaying players, "set the market value". We can enjoy paying KCP 25% of our total cap for the next four years while he puts up his usual 15PPG on 42% shooting.

I think SVG seriously looks to trade our 12th pick for a veteran player that's probably a rotation guy off our bench, or sixth man at best. It would be short sighted, but he's going into this summer with only the next 12 months as his concern. Plus, do we really trust SVG to make a smart draft pick? Even so, he won't develop them. He let a 15 PPG 10 rebounds in 20 minute monster sit on the bench for 78 games before realizing how effective he can be.

Basically, do not get your hopes up for any big changes. His back if against a wall (that he formed), and he doesn't have the assets to make any big moves that immediately help this team.

[coordinator0]

I can live without a championship team, but at least try to be decent and watchable!

Yeah. Not building a contender is fine. But you can still try to build a team that is actually good as basketball. Or better at least. It wouldn't take much.

[DBC10]

Yep, I'm on the same train. I don't think it's realistic to beat Lebron for a while now in the East anyways. All the talent goes to the West.

If we can at least look like a fun team that plays with heart every night, that would easily make this franchise bearable when it's in a rut.

[The Moose]

Listening to SVG talk about Reggie, it really does sound like its not even a question about whether or not we are keeping him.

Really does sound like we are going to bring back the exact same team next season

[MotownMadness]

Listening to SVG talk about Reggie, it really does sound like its not even a question about whether or not we are keeping him.

Really does sound like we are going to bring back the exact same team next season

I wouldn't put much stock into anything he says.

[Pharaoh]

Listening to SVG talk about Reggie, it really does sound like its not even a question about whether or not we are keeping him.

Really does sound like we are going to bring back the exact same team next season

Of course we are!

SVG has preached patience & continuity since he arrived.

If you look at it as a real 5 year plan and not just hype/spin:

2 years to clear out junk & replace with assets of your choosing

2 years to actually see if what you have built is anything worthwhile

We've got 1 playoff berth with a .500 record and were (at one stage) 5 games out of HCA this season.

Do we have issues? Of course! But it's short sighted to burn it to the ground now.

In order to make any significant moves you need other teams to give value for your assets. Outside of KCP, Tobias and maybe Mook our "big" assets are at their lowest value right now.

You don't sell them at their lowest!

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[coordinator0]

In order to make any significant moves you need other teams to give value for your assets. Outside of KCP, Tobias and maybe Mook our "big" assets are at their lowest value right now.

You don't sell them at their lowest!

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What if this is their ceiling in terms of value?

A full, healthy offseason (and then regular season) for Jackson will help but at the same time teams know who he is. And players like him aren't going to get a whole lot in return. You can't build an legitimate offense around him (because Reggie doesn't involve others) yet every time he comes into the game he has to be the focal point with the ball in his hands or he's useless. And Jackson hasn't shown that he's willing to share the ball and do much more than PnR so expecting anything else there is futile.

Drummond especially terrifies me. It's really, really hard to have much faith in him developing any further given his on-court character. And it's not like he was actually worse this season. Pretty much the exact same player as last year. If the Pistons have a chance to move him now they should take it before the rest of the league catches on. If they haven't already at least. But teams will always take a chance on someone who is perceived to have a lot of potential. Now is the time to cash in those chips before that contract becomes any more of an obvious albatross.

[Pharaoh]

In order to make any significant moves you need other teams to give value for your assets. Outside of KCP, Tobias and maybe Mook our "big" assets are at their lowest value right now.

You don't sell them at their lowest!

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What if this is their ceiling in terms of value?

A full, healthy offseason (and then regular season) for Jackson will help but at the same time teams know who he is. And players like him aren't going to get a whole lot in return. You can't build an legitimate offense around him (because Reggie doesn't involve others) yet every time he comes into the game he has to be the focal point with the ball in his hands or he's useless. And Jackson hasn't shown that he's willing to share the ball and do much more than PnR so expecting anything else there is futile.

It's on RJ to change the way he plays in order to be the true leader of this team.

IF he thought "I've got weapons everywhere" we'd be better off! He needs to think that at half time Dre should have 10 points, so should Tobias, so should KCP...and how he goes about making that happen is the key.

IF he set up Dre & KCP early it would open up the game for him to really exploit the D

Drummond especially terrifies me. It's really, really hard to have much faith in him developing any further given his on-court character. And it's not like he was actually worse this season. Pretty much the exact same player as last year. If the Pistons have a chance to move him now they should take it before the rest of the league catches on. If they haven't already at least. But teams will always take a chance on someone who is perceived to have a lot of potential. Now is the time to cash in those chips before that contract becomes any more of an obvious albatross.

Dre is our best hope! I hate what I see but you're not getting a better package for him so you need to work with him to get the most out of him

For him to average 20 & 10 it's not that hard! 5 points a quarter man! That's 4 lobs a game, 4 tip ins & 2 hooks!

It's nothing!

A Dre putting up 20/10 regularly on a winning team gives you hope...

And IMO that's why everyone is so down on us right now - they see no hope!

KCP had months of flashes, SJ has shown flashes, Tobias is a weapon offensively, we made the playoffs with RJ & Dre, Bobo has shown he can play a bigger role & Ish has been amazing...

Where people see death and destruction I'm a realist - we're not burning it down. So I look for the positives and there are a few


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[LaSheed]

Yeah its about a 2% chance at best that we trade Drummond or Jackson.

[coordinator0]

It's on RJ to change the way he plays in order to be the true leader of this team.

IF he thought "I've got weapons everywhere" we'd be better off! He needs to think that at half time Dre should have 10 points, so should Tobias, so should KCP...and how he goes about making that happen is the key.

IF he set up Dre & KCP early it would open up the game for him to really exploit the D

Yeah, those are some giant ifs. Unlikely ones too unless you're expecting Jackson, a guy (unfortunately) on a guaranteed $80 million deal, to completely change the type of player he is. I'm betting that doesn't happen.

Dre is our best hope! I hate what I see but you're not getting a better package for him so you need to work with him to get the most out of him

For him to average 20 & 10 it's not that hard! 5 points a quarter man! That's 4 lobs a game, 4 tip ins & 2 hooks!

It's nothing!

A Dre putting up 20/10 regularly on a winning team gives you hope...

And IMO that's why everyone is so down on us right now - they see no hope!

KCP had months of flashes, SJ has shown flashes, Tobias is a weapon offensively, we made the playoffs with RJ & Dre, Bobo has shown he can play a bigger role & Ish has been amazing...

Where people see death and destruction I'm a realist - we're not burning it down. So I look for the positives and there are a few

Drummond putting up 20 and 10 would be great. What wouldn't be so great is the very likely chances that the 20 would come with horrible inefficiency. Saying that all it takes is 4 lobs, 4 tips, and 2 hooks is nice but the more probable outcome is attempting 10 hooks, making about 2 of 8 tips (although that's not awful considering how many 2 or 3 tip attempts on one shot he gets), and only one or two lobs a game as has been the norm even with Jackson. Also not on a winning team, because the Pistons aren't one and don't look to be one. They don't have the same qualities that Milwaukee and Washington do to expect the same kind of turnaround they went through.

For what it's worth I'm not saying that the Pistons will or are even remotely likely to trade Reggie or Andre. They just desperately need to.

[pistontr]

he will be fired in mid season

[Pharaoh]

It's on RJ to change the way he plays in order to be the true leader of this team.

IF he thought "I've got weapons everywhere" we'd be better off! He needs to think that at half time Dre should have 10 points, so should Tobias, so should KCP...and how he goes about making that happen is the key.

IF he set up Dre & KCP early it would open up the game for him to really exploit the D

Yeah, those are some giant ifs. Unlikely ones too unless you're expecting Jackson, a guy (unfortunately) on a guaranteed $80 million deal, to completely change the type of player he is. I'm betting that doesn't happen.

Dre is our best hope! I hate what I see but you're not getting a better package for him so you need to work with him to get the most out of him

For him to average 20 & 10 it's not that hard! 5 points a quarter man! That's 4 lobs a game, 4 tip ins & 2 hooks!

It's nothing!

A Dre putting up 20/10 regularly on a winning team gives you hope...

And IMO that's why everyone is so down on us right now - they see no hope!

KCP had months of flashes, SJ has shown flashes, Tobias is a weapon offensively, we made the playoffs with RJ & Dre, Bobo has shown he can play a bigger role & Ish has been amazing...

Where people see death and destruction I'm a realist - we're not burning it down. So I look for the positives and there are a few

Drummond putting up 20 and 10 would be great. What wouldn't be so great is the very likely chances that the 20 would come with horrible inefficiency. Saying that all it takes is 4 lobs, 4 tips, and 2 hooks is nice but the more probable outcome is attempting 10 hooks, making about 2 of 8 tips (although that's not awful considering how many 2 or 3 tip attempts on one shot he gets), and only one or two lobs a game as has been the norm even with Jackson. Also not on a winning team, because the Pistons aren't one and don't look to be one. They don't have the same qualities that Milwaukee and Washington do to expect the same kind of turnaround they went through.

For what it's worth I'm not saying that the Pistons will or are even remotely likely to trade Reggie or Andre. They just desperately need to.

They are huge IFs but it doesn't take extra talent - it'll take a change in mentality.

A RJ that is setting up KCP & Tobias early and often will see lanes opening up in the paint, which is when he can feed Dre

RJs mentality needs to be "I'll get mine eventually" & instead focus on getting other guys their buckets...

When you've got ONE guy dominating the ball the way we do he has a responsibility to use it wisely - he can get his whenever he chooses cause he always has the ball but that doesn't usually translate to wins

At some point every "stud" kid I've had figures it out - with some prodding lol

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[Mr Peanut]

Reading this thread I am thoroughly glad that no one on this board is anywhere close to a front office position within the Pistons.

For those of you who say we should fire SVG, is that really what we need right now? After years of a fading Dumars as GM and the turnstile of Curry, Kuester, Frank, Cheeks and Loyer as our incompetent coaches this organisation finally has some stability and you want to throw SVG onto the dumpster pile too? Who would even want to come here after seeing how our ownership treats its staff like that?

The 2015/16 season was our first winning season since 2007/08. Think about that for a second. SVG took a roster headlined by Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings and wheeled and dealed to acquire a promising young core that vaulted us into the playoffs and put up a competitive sweep against the team that eventually went on to win the title. In his second year here. Not an easy task.

This season our chief playmaker and best offensive player gets injured and comes back a shell of his former self, leading to an overall regression and the current predicament we find ourselves in. Sure, Drummond's effort after signing his new contract hasn't been anywhere near what we would like it to be. But he is also a 23-year-old center who is not even close to entering his prime when you look at the career trajectory of most big men. And people here want to ship him out for a bag of chips?

The impatience on here is astounding.

[Bolek]

Taking into consideration the contract situation we better prepare for few seasons of mediocrity. Contracts of Dre and RJ make them untradeable, at least if one expects a good value for them, so we are dependent on what they decide (decide is a very good word describing their attitude) to show next year. And I doubt that they decide to show something special.