WHAT THE PISTONS NEED TO DO

[DET_Athletics]

Name the players that are mobile shot blockers & can hit 3s.

Guessing it's a really short list



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you are absolutely right, but that's the player we need in SVG system.
there are like 3 in the NBA, and we aren't getting our hands on them, which are Serge Ibaka, LMA, and Aron Gordon. we have to find one in the draft, which two might be coming out Jaren Jackson Jr. and possibly Kevin Knox, but yeah if we find the unicorn this team you have every positioned covered and would just need to upgrade the point guard position to someone who could defend.

The fact that there's only 3 dudes in the league that are perfect compliments in this system says a lot about the system and the roster.

Because Dre doesn't provide rim protection...

Because we need long range shooters...

Because we have a PG dominated system...

The system is flawed! The roster is flawed!

Change the system, change the world

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I think the roster is flawed more than the system, see is the only run protector we have, and that's the problem. That's more of a reason we get exposed. But your right, of we don't get the players we need soon, we will have to change the system.

[Canadafan]

^maybe my morning coffee isn't working but that sounded incredibly confusing lol. I do like Bledsoe and Henson though.
RJ looks pretty good right now and healthy. So let's just go get Henson. He'd be a real nice addition.

[DET_Athletics]

Name the players that are mobile shot blockers & can hit 3s.

Guessing it's a really short list



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you are absolutely right, but that's the player we need in SVG system.
there are like 3 in the NBA, and we aren't getting our hands on them, which are Serge Ibaka, LMA, and Aron Gordon. we have to find one in the draft, which two might be coming out Jaren Jackson Jr. and possibly Kevin Knox, but yeah if we find the unicorn this team you have every positioned covered and would just need to upgrade the point guard position to someone who could defend.

The fact that there's only 3 dudes in the league that are perfect compliments in this system says a lot about the system and the roster.

Because Dre doesn't provide rim protection...

Because we need long range shooters...

Because we have a PG dominated system...

The system is flawed! The roster is flawed!

Change the system, change the world

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dang, I forgot about Myles Turner, Al Horford, and marquees Chriss. I would say there might be closer to 10 guys in the NBA that can fill that void.

[Pharaoh]

you are absolutely right, but that's the player we need in SVG system.
there are like 3 in the NBA, and we aren't getting our hands on them, which are Serge Ibaka, LMA, and Aron Gordon. we have to find one in the draft, which two might be coming out Jaren Jackson Jr. and possibly Kevin Knox, but yeah if we find the unicorn this team you have every positioned covered and would just need to upgrade the point guard position to someone who could defend.

The fact that there's only 3 dudes in the league that are perfect compliments in this system says a lot about the system and the roster.

Because Dre doesn't provide rim protection...

Because we need long range shooters...

Because we have a PG dominated system...

The system is flawed! The roster is flawed!

Change the system, change the world

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dang, I forgot about Myles Turner, Al Horford, and marquees Chriss. I would say there might be closer to 10 guys in the NBA that can fill that void.

How many of those 10 are likely obtainable?

That's the problem

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[blueadams]

Edited OP

[bjones521]

Close this thread please lol

[Pharaoh]

Edited OP

Why bother?

Your plan is to sell off as many assets as possible in order to have the opportunity to sign & draft a stud?

Then what? Wait 3 years and repeat that process until eventually you land the next big thing in the Draft?

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[A_dub06]

Edited OP

Why bother?

Your plan is to sell off as many assets as possible in order to have the opportunity to sign & draft a stud?

Then what? Wait 3 years and repeat that process until eventually you land the next big thing in the Draft?

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It’s a better plan to become a contender than sign a whole bunch of **** to average players and just hope they wake up one day and play as a team. How much $ do we have tied up between Boban, Galloway and Leuer? Like $24m? That’s a whole lot of cash which wasn’t necessary to spend, it’s destroyed our flexibility and those guys don’t play and when they do they suck. Making these signings for ‘depth purposes’ is (Please Use More Appropriate Word) when you don’t have the foundation to build in. **** like this is how you become a treadmill team and lower your ceiling. Teams like Philly and until last off season Minny built their core, and then had that flexibility to go and sign guys. Philly didn’t have any huge long term signings but they will if Embiid proves healthy, and Minny went out and got Butler.

Dude I’ve seen you post that you would like to tank in some threads although due to SVG’s stance and it not being an option you don’t entertain it, and then I’ve also seen you bashing tanking in others, persisting to question the tanking model and even say in one thread that you are “tired of loosing” and essentially wanting to build on this group. That is the definition of fence sitting. Is this just a case of ‘winning cures everything’ and now you think we actually have something in a historically bad conference? This team will never contend, even if Drummond takes a leap forward and Reggie is 100% healthy, there is no reason to keep this roster with a bloated payroll for mediocre players.


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[Pharaoh]

Edited OP

Why bother?

Your plan is to sell off as many assets as possible in order to have the opportunity to sign & draft a stud?

Then what? Wait 3 years and repeat that process until eventually you land the next big thing in the Draft?

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It’s a better plan to become a contender than sign a whole bunch of **** to average players and just hope they wake up one day and play as a team. How much $ do we have tied up between Boban, Galloway and Leuer? Like $24m? That’s a whole lot of cash which wasn’t necessary to spend, it’s destroyed our flexibility and those guys don’t play and when they do they suck. Making these signings for ‘depth purposes’ is (Please Use More Appropriate Word) when you don’t have the foundation to build in. **** like this is how you become a treadmill team and lower your ceiling.

After our playoff appearance everyone thought we were a team on the upswing!

Dre had delayed his extension so we could add a free agent (or 2) before the flexibility you speak of vanished.

Our bench was a major problem!

So after missing out on Horford SVG signed Jon, Ish & Bobo to provide depth.

Then last season it all went to crap, although to be fair to Jon he played well the first half of the season. Ish was awesome, Bobo was...wasted.

With the benefit of hindsight we can argue we didn't have the foundation but you gotta remember that at the time Dre was All NBA 3rd team, RJ had got national publicity as a All Star snub, Harris had killed it after arriving etc

Dude I’ve seen you post that you would like to tank in some threads although due to SVG’s stance and it not being an option you don’t entertain it, and then I’ve also seen you bashing tanking in others, persisting to question the tanking model and even say in one thread that you are “tired of loosing” and essentially wanting to build on this group. That is the definition of fence sitting.

This is my take on tanking FTR:

In a post Hinkie/superteam NBA if you want to win a championship in the next decade then you're gonna need a absolute stud! Not a Hayward - a legit franchise guy.

The most likely way to acquire one is via tanking for multiple years since there's no guarantee you'll draft that guy in year one and even if by some miracle you do he's not gonna alter the franchise in one season.

It requires taking a longer view and while I would be ok with that because there's no path to contention that I can see with this roster I don't believe Gores or SVG would be for one very specific reason:

They're not here to win a title...at least not yet.

IMO they're here to restore some semblance of respectability to the franchise...and as we've seen that's not a easy path to take

I trash tanking proposals because of that - if its not even remotely possible then why persist discussing a dream?

It'd be like discussing a trade for KD over and over and over again!

I am tired of losing. But I know that no matter how much I want this team to be changed, to resemble Piston teams of the past, to adhere to the values I preach it's just not happening.

Should I post that in every thread? I don't see the need to be negative all the time.

Is this just a case of ‘winning cures everything’ and now you think we actually have something in a historically bad conference? This team will never contend, even if Drummond takes a leap forward and Reggie is 100% healthy, there is no reason to keep this roster with a bloated payroll for mediocre players.

Winning cures all? The season just started!

And I stated above that I don't think we can contend as constructed

Again: should I post my negative opinion of this team, of this path in every thread?

Isn't there enough negativity? Maybe not now, but there was last season when I chose to not throw my can of gasoline onto the fire.



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[Billl]

Building a respectable team when half the league is not trying to win shouldn't be very hard. The hard part is building a respectable team with youngish players and enough cap flexibility to eventually lure a star to come play with that respectable team.

[Pharaoh]

Building a respectable team when half the league is not trying to win shouldn't be very hard. The hard part is building a respectable team with youngish players and enough cap flexibility to eventually lure a star to come play with that respectable team.

SVG did it though...once he missed on Horford we moved to plan B, C, D etc



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[Billl]

Did what? Horford isn't a A level star. And then when we whiffed on him, we "moved on" by blowing all the flexibility we have.

If the plan is to get an A level star, there can't be a plan B, C and D. If plan A doesn't work, you have to reload and come up with a new plan A.

[BadMofoPimp]

I am beyond pleased the Pistons did not waste $28mil per on an aging Horford. We dodged a bullet there.