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Game 16: Pistons (10-5) @ Timberwolves (10-5) - 7 PM EST

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Re: Game 16: Pistons (10-5) @ Timberwolves (10-5) - 7 PM EST 

Post#221 » by tmorgan » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:29 am

Prozac, people. Those highs and lows are gonna kill you over a long season... or a lifetime.

Good finish, Pistons.
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Re: Game 16: Pistons (10-5) @ Timberwolves (10-5) - 7 PM EST 

Post#222 » by El Chivo » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:32 am

Crazy 4th quarter. Dunno if replicable, but take the W and run away.
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Re: Game 16: Pistons (10-5) @ Timberwolves (10-5) - 7 PM EST 

Post#223 » by Manocad » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:59 am

tmorgan wrote:Prozac, people. Those highs and lows are gonna kill you over a long season... or a lifetime.

Good finish, Pistons.

Stop it. Players must be moved NOW.
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Post#224 » by vege » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:30 am

tmorgan wrote:Prozac, people. Those highs and lows are gonna kill you over a long season... or a lifetime.

Good finish, Pistons.


Yeap :oops:
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Re: Game 16: Pistons (10-5) @ Timberwolves (10-5) - 7 PM EST 

Post#225 » by El Chivo » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:55 am

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tmorgan wrote:Prozac, people. Those highs and lows are gonna kill you over a long season... or a lifetime.

Good finish, Pistons.

Stop it. Players must be moved NOW.


I still think RJ is not the point guard this team needs and his last minutes hero ball not sustainable in a playoff run.

Hope he denies me in an auspicable playoff serie.
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Re: Game 16: Pistons (10-5) @ Timberwolves (10-5) - 7 PM EST 

Post#226 » by Timmaytime » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:40 pm

tmorgan wrote:Prozac, people. Those highs and lows are gonna kill you over a long season... or a lifetime.

Good finish, Pistons.


Or just basic levels of emotional control
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Re: Game 16: Pistons (10-5) @ Timberwolves (10-5) - 7 PM EST 

Post#227 » by Billl » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:44 pm

Again - great comeback. This team doesn't give up. They kept clawing all night long and eventually got the win.

Again - down double digits. We just weren't ready to start this game. It's becoming a bit of a trend that when teams get up and pressure us, we turn the ball over. I know we're still working out the kinks of our new offense, but we've got enough guys who can pass and put the ball on the deck that we should be exploiting teams that overplay us on the perimeter.
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Post#228 » by topsearch92 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:06 pm

I would like to thank the refs for ticking the pistons off. At one point I think Dre wanted a tip shooting foul and Stanley wanted a travel on Butler. It seemed to bring out some anger and rally the team together. I wonder if the NBA looks at the tip and pre lob fouls that are preventing Dre from getting decent shots off in his style. Zach Lowe mentioned it recently.
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Post#229 » by Redeemed » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:37 pm

Billl wrote:Again - great comeback. This team doesn't give up. They kept clawing all night long and eventually got the win.

Again - down double digits. We just weren't ready to start this game. It's becoming a bit of a trend that when teams get up and pressure us, we turn the ball over. I know we're still working out the kinks of our new offense, but we've got enough guys who can pass and put the ball on the deck that we should be exploiting teams that overplay us on the perimeter.


We found a way to win and never stopped fighting. Last season we had several blow outs where we just decided in the first quarter that it wasn't our night. But this team didn't do that. Instead the guys battled through bad shots, dumb turnovers, and broken defensive rotations. We overcame Tobias' off shooting night, Dre missing bunnies at the rim, and Reggie's slow start.

They seemed to rally behind the fact that Avery kept bringing it and Ish ramping up the tempo.We could have went 0-3 on this road trip, but we salvaged it by toughing out a win. The Goin to Work squad had games where Chauncey Mr. Big Shot Billups gave us heroic clutch performances. And the Bad Boys had frequent nights when Isiah pulled off the miraculous. Reggie is learning. He's learning to be heroic in the flow of the offense making the right passes and dropping daggers in the hearts of the opposing team.

Tonight is going to be looked back at as a pivotal game showing that toughness, effort, grit, and determination can win the day.
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Re: Game 16: Pistons (10-5) @ Timberwolves (10-5) - 7 PM EST 

Post#230 » by zeebneeb » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:39 pm

Billl wrote:Again - great comeback. This team doesn't give up. They kept clawing all night long and eventually got the win.

Again - down double digits. We just weren't ready to start this game. It's becoming a bit of a trend that when teams get up and pressure us, we turn the ball over. I know we're still working out the kinks of our new offense, but we've got enough guys who can pass and put the ball on the deck that we should be exploiting teams that overplay us on the perimeter.
when this team is playing its 25th game and these slow starts are still happening and turning the ball over under pressure, then its time to start worrying.

I have noticed that trend as well. Not worried yet, but hopefully the problem corrects itself.
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Re: Game 16: Pistons (10-5) @ Timberwolves (10-5) - 7 PM EST 

Post#231 » by SVG » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:45 pm

On the final shot that reggie made, Tobias Harris was wide open in the corner, but reggie had already made his mind to take the shot. I'm glad he made the shot (over towns) but like someone else mentioned, he has absolute tunnel vision in the last 4-5 minutes of the game. I'm happy the Pistons got the W, and I hope reggie works on finding his teammates in the last minutes of the game so we can stop talking about his heroball antics.
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Post#232 » by Billl » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:34 pm

SVG wrote:On the final shot that reggie made, Tobias Harris was wide open in the corner, but reggie had already made his mind to take the shot. I'm glad he made the shot (over towns) but like someone else mentioned, he has absolute tunnel vision in the last 4-5 minutes of the game. I'm happy the Pistons got the W, and I hope reggie works on finding his teammates in the last minutes of the game so we can stop talking about his heroball antics.


Not sure what game you were watching, but RJ had 4 really nice assists down the stretch. He absolutely had it rolling though and rightly took the last shot himself. You want the guy with the hot hand getting the shot.
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Re: Game 16: Pistons (10-5) @ Timberwolves (10-5) - 7 PM EST 

Post#233 » by afroxnas » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:55 pm

zeebneeb wrote:
Billl wrote:Again - great comeback. This team doesn't give up. They kept clawing all night long and eventually got the win.

Again - down double digits. We just weren't ready to start this game. It's becoming a bit of a trend that when teams get up and pressure us, we turn the ball over. I know we're still working out the kinks of our new offense, but we've got enough guys who can pass and put the ball on the deck that we should be exploiting teams that overplay us on the perimeter.
when this team is playing its 25th game and these slow starts are still happening and turning the ball over under pressure, then its time to start worrying.

I have noticed that trend as well. Not worried yet, but hopefully the problem corrects itself.


The slow starts have a simple explanation. The Pistons have the second worst starting 5 in the nba, a whooping -12 per 100 possessions. Only the Kings are worst. We start poorly because that line up so far hasn’t meshed well
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Post#234 » by zeebneeb » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:00 pm

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zeebneeb wrote:
Billl wrote:Again - great comeback. This team doesn't give up. They kept clawing all night long and eventually got the win.

Again - down double digits. We just weren't ready to start this game. It's becoming a bit of a trend that when teams get up and pressure us, we turn the ball over. I know we're still working out the kinks of our new offense, but we've got enough guys who can pass and put the ball on the deck that we should be exploiting teams that overplay us on the perimeter.
when this team is playing its 25th game and these slow starts are still happening and turning the ball over under pressure, then its time to start worrying.

I have noticed that trend as well. Not worried yet, but hopefully the problem corrects itself.


The slow starts have a simple explanation. The Pistons have the second worst starting 5 in the nba, a whooping -12 per 100 possessions. Only the Kings are worst. We start poorly because that line up so far hasn’t meshed well
It takes time for players to mesh. Two new starters is a big change.

20 games is when teams really start to click. Also, any stat that has this Pistons team with the second worst starting 5 in the league is not one I'm really all that interested in as its obviously absurd. I know the bench and team overall is deep as hell, but second worst?

Yeah, no.
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Re: Game 16: Pistons (10-5) @ Timberwolves (10-5) - 7 PM EST 

Post#235 » by afroxnas » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:29 pm

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zeebneeb wrote:when this team is playing its 25th game and these slow starts are still happening and turning the ball over under pressure, then its time to start worrying.

I have noticed that trend as well. Not worried yet, but hopefully the problem corrects itself.


The slow starts have a simple explanation. The Pistons have the second worst starting 5 in the nba, a whooping -12 per 100 possessions. Only the Kings are worst. We start poorly because that line up so far hasn’t meshed well
It takes time for players to mesh. Two new starters is a big change.

20 games is when teams really start to click. Also, any stat that has this Pistons team with the second worst starting 5 in the league is not one I'm really all that interested in as its obviously absurd. I know the bench and team overall is deep as hell, but second worst?

Yeah, no.


Well that’s what the numbers say. Sample size is still admittedly small, but we are coming close to the quarter season mark.
Even though I agree that incorporating two new starters will come with hickups I think there are other things at play here. If I remember correctly the starting 5 numbers are much better at the start of the 3rd than at the start of the game. It wa similar last year.
I’m wondering if pre game routines can be tweaked to try to kick start the starters
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Post#236 » by zeebneeb » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:40 pm

afroxnas wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:
afroxnas wrote:
The slow starts have a simple explanation. The Pistons have the second worst starting 5 in the nba, a whooping -12 per 100 possessions. Only the Kings are worst. We start poorly because that line up so far hasn’t meshed well
It takes time for players to mesh. Two new starters is a big change.

20 games is when teams really start to click. Also, any stat that has this Pistons team with the second worst starting 5 in the league is not one I'm really all that interested in as its obviously absurd. I know the bench and team overall is deep as hell, but second worst?

Yeah, no.


Well that’s what the numbers say. Sample size is still admittedly small, but we are coming close to the quarter season mark.
Even though I agree that incorporating two new starters will come with hickups I think there are other things at play here. If I remember correctly the starting 5 numbers are much better at the start of the 3rd than at the start of the game. It wa similar last year.
I’m wondering if pre game routines can be tweaked to try to kick start the starters
Something has to change. I don't know about you, but I've just about had my fill of comeback wins for the year. Sluggish starts are just brutal.

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Re: Game 16: Pistons (10-5) @ Timberwolves (10-5) - 7 PM EST 

Post#237 » by Redeemed » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:57 pm

Three new starters (Tobias, Avery, and Stanley)
A new offense (motion offense instead of perpetual pick and roll)
Early season injuries (Stanley Johnson & Jon Leuer)
Questionable rotations (extended minutes for Bullock that cost minutes for for Galloway and Kennard)

And we're still 11-5

This is the first Pistons team that actually looks like a team since the Goin to Work squad.
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Post#238 » by DetroitSho » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:35 pm

Billl wrote:
SVG wrote:On the final shot that reggie made, Tobias Harris was wide open in the corner, but reggie had already made his mind to take the shot. I'm glad he made the shot (over towns) but like someone else mentioned, he has absolute tunnel vision in the last 4-5 minutes of the game. I'm happy the Pistons got the W, and I hope reggie works on finding his teammates in the last minutes of the game so we can stop talking about his heroball antics.


Not sure what game you were watching, but RJ had 4 really nice assists down the stretch. He absolutely had it rolling though and rightly took the last shot himself. You want the guy with the hot hand getting the shot.

Not to mention all the open shots Tobias missed yesterday.

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Post#239 » by DetroitSho » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:41 pm

I think it's important people don't confuse taking and missing good open shots with the team being sluggish or not coming out with energy. I think oftentimes they get down early not because they're not giving effort. If shots ain't falling then you might be down early.

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Post#240 » by Manocad » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:26 pm

DetroitSho wrote:
Billl wrote:
SVG wrote:On the final shot that reggie made, Tobias Harris was wide open in the corner, but reggie had already made his mind to take the shot. I'm glad he made the shot (over towns) but like someone else mentioned, he has absolute tunnel vision in the last 4-5 minutes of the game. I'm happy the Pistons got the W, and I hope reggie works on finding his teammates in the last minutes of the game so we can stop talking about his heroball antics.


Not sure what game you were watching, but RJ had 4 really nice assists down the stretch. He absolutely had it rolling though and rightly took the last shot himself. You want the guy with the hot hand getting the shot.

Not to mention all the open shots Tobias missed yesterday.

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