GimmeDat wrote:afroxnas wrote:GimmeDat wrote:
I think we do like him but he's definitely available if it helps push a deal over the line. He's a good backup.
I think this is a fair deal, as long as the protections are pretty light. But whether it's a starter for the Bulls depends on how insistent they are on no long term salary. I'm not too sure what they're thinking, but I think if there's a deal with you guys, this is it.
there’s no way the Bulls will get a former lottery pick on a rookie deal and a future 1 first round for Mirotic, a guys that spent most of the season out because he was knocked out in the teeth by a team mate. That’s a horrible deal for the Pistons and SVG should be fired if he gives it the green light. Giv m Mirotic defense skills I’m doubtful he would even see the floor...
I'd watch some more Mirotic before making such strong judgements. He's our best front-court defender and I think he'd be yours as well. That's just a misnomer because he's European.
Also, having to label him a 'former lottery pick' seems a bit disingenuous given the title of this thread.. draft position doesn't mean much when you're averaging 9 points per 36 on a TS% of 47 in your 3rd year in the league.
I'm not trying to be rude or biased, the same goes the other way - Cameron Payne is a former lottery pick but I wouldn't be asking for much if he was on the market.
I'm also not sure why getting punched in the face is supposed to be an argument against trading for a guy.
You could argue upfront that a protected 1st is what it would take to dump a contract like Leuer's, but you'd also be getting a big man playing at an All-Star level this year for the next 1.5 years and then his bird rights, as well as upgrading Johnson to Grant. Worth noting the pick is noted as being protected in MoTown's proposition as well.
Non-lottery 1st's really aren't that valuable, and this trade would make a big boost to your team. That's my honest 2 cents on it.
I'm fine with people feeling one way or another about a deal but I think you're going out of your way here to distort the facts of the deal.
I don’t think many people think Mirotic is a better defender than Robin Lopez for example. With guys like Tolliver and Moreland in the pistons and even Drummond that statement that Mirotic would become our best frontcourt defender is laughable sorry to say.
Despite all the bashing on SJ here (where I’m including myself) he is only 21 and already a good wing defender. It is all true that his horrible offense and lack of development are a big issue but he still has plenty potential and that is a commodity in the NBA.
The fact that Mirotic is not liked by his team mates to the point that he gets his teeth kicked in and the team sides with Porter, is relevant. You lose leverage when negotiating.
I guess we’ll need to wait and see what you end up getting for Mirotic
