The Stan Van Gundy Contract Thread

[DETermination]

Dan Gilbert wan'ts to sell the Cavs, I wonder if he would be interested in buying the Pistons?Atleast he knows something about basketball.

[vic]

https://www.sbnation.com/videos/2018/1/24/16928808/donovan-mitchell-utah-jazz-star-rookie-prada-pictures

[buzzkilloton]

Looking through the trades SVG has made over his time here. I've seen alot of people talk about how great his trades have been but looking at it long term their fail moves. Yeah he short term "won" alot of the trades but the reasoning being alot of these trades were teams trying to save cash. Not going to mention the Dinwiddie trade obv we can say that was a mistake but who knew he'd be this good at that time.

A.Jackson obv we got the best player in the deal but then we locked into him long term. This guy is not a playoff winning pg. Hes just above average starter who we pay alot of money too. Again hes fine but as a core player making alot of moneyr you wont get anywhere with him. More wins but not going to get big wins.

B.Morris trade-clearly won this and his contract was uber cheap. I actually give this a win because his contract was locked in longterm for a super cheap price making him a good trade asset.

C.Harris- Similar to Jackson yeah we got the best player in the deal but hes not a playoff winning player. Hes just a above average starter. The guys we gave up were going to be off contract soon the magic didnt want to pay Harris they wanted to rebuild. Again you get more wins but you'll never get big wins with him.

D.Morris for Bradley. Again we got what SHOULD of been the better player in the deal. It seemed to me we were going to commit to him until hes sucked so bad. So again we've got a trade SVG was going to most likely commit to a decent starter but hes not a title winning type player.

So basically he locked us short term into more wins with all these trades. The thing was all these trades did was cap are upside to never being a elite team. This is why we've always picked late in the lotto rather then actually getting the elite players. Being in a rush to make are lineup better as quick as possible is what has put us where were at.

He should of stood pat in the beginning and slowly built through the draft around Drummond. Instead hes been in a rush to fill out are lineup with above average players to compete for nothing. If he would of took things slow and not made trades early in the rebuild we would be looking at a team with more wins competing for the playoffs. Then you could go attack the above average starters that teams want to lose and complete your team.

I'd go as far to say as it would be nearly impossible to do a worse job then SVG has here. Hes drafted poorly. He chose Stanley over Booker which is who the war room was split on. Guess who id of took? I'd of took Winslow the consensus top player on the board. Well Winslow busted, but still i think he was the right guy at the time. Kennard over Mitchell, obv Kennard looks good and Mitch looks really good, at the time of the pick though Mitchell was the higher rated guy. Mitchell tore up his workout, had the upside we needed, had the wingspan etc.

Fire this guy!

[Southern Piston]

I hear what your saying but if he committed to our youth, and traded bradly and Harris for some young core players on their first contract, I would be willing to extend him two more yrs, I think dimwiddie has opened his eyes to what playing time can do, and adapting his vision towards the youth, and depth might make his grand plan come closer to coming together. Do we really want to start over a completely again. He’s close to a foundation, remember our best two players when he got here are out of league, and we lost that first lottery pick in s loaded draft to obtain Corey meggate, who I don’t remember ever playing a game, before that we invested in cv-dnp and Chris Wilcox, we’ve made strides towards respectability.

[vic]

I hear what your saying but if he committed to our youth, and traded bradly and Harris for some young core players on their first contract, I would be willing to extend him two more yrs, I think dimwiddie has opened his eyes to what playing time can do, and adapting his vision towards the youth, and depth might make his grand plan come closer to coming together. Do we really want to start over a completely again. He’s close to a foundation, remember our best two players when he got here are out of league, and we lost that first lottery pick in s loaded draft to obtain Corey meggate, who I don’t remember ever playing a game, before that we invested in cv-dnp and Chris Wilcox, we’ve made strides towards respectability.

If I'm Gores I might give him a choice to stay as a coach. But I'm bringing Chauncey as President/GM. SVG cannot be the main decision maker any more. This is not Piston basketball.

Demote him like he did to Arnie Kander. If SVGs ego can take it, he'll take it, but I doubt it.

[DCintheD]

Anyone waiting for that moment you look at your phone when a Bleacher Report notification goes off saying:

"Breaking: Pistons fire head coach and president of basketball operations Stan Van Gundy."

I know I am.

[thesack12]

I miss Mr D

[MotownMadness]

I miss Mr D

Hasn't been the same since

[vic]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22253366/detroit-pistons-make-avery-bradley-available-trade-talks

Another strike against SVG. No Vision.

"Detroit renounced the rights to restricted free agent Kentavious Caldwell-Pope upon acquiring Bradley in July, banking on a long-term partnership with Bradley."

Now he's trying to get rid of Bradley. Fail. I guess he couldn't see he was injury prone... Just like he can't see how his seasons always fail due to injured guards/rushing back injured guards.

I guess he couldn't see the pattern or look at prospective players and tell the difference between the types of players that get injured every year and the players that seldom get injured.



Imagine having a 3 guard lineup of RJ/KcP/Donovan Mitchell.

RJ get's injured again, now you have Donovan Mitchell/KCP starting. Ish Smith coming off the bench.

That's a nonstop 2/way attack that SVG's basketball vision couldn't see.

[Kilo]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22253366/detroit-pistons-make-avery-bradley-available-trade-talks

Another strike against SVG. No Vision.

"Detroit renounced the rights to restricted free agent Kentavious Caldwell-Pope upon acquiring Bradley in July, banking on a long-term partnership with Bradley."

Now he's trying to get rid of Bradley. Fail. I guess he couldn't see he was injury prone... Just like he can't see how his seasons always fail due to injured guards/rushing back injured guards.

I guess he couldn't see the pattern or look at prospective players and tell the difference between the types of players that get injured every year and the players that seldom get injured.



Imagine having a 3 guard lineup of RJ/KcP/Donovan Mitchell.

RJ get's injured again, now you have Donovan Mitchell/KCP starting. Ish Smith coming off the bench.

That's a nonstop 2/way attack that SVG's basketball vision couldn't see.

Yeeeaah about that. I'm happy as a pig in **** we didn't pay KCP $20M a year for the next 3-4 years.

[thesack12]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22253366/detroit-pistons-make-avery-bradley-available-trade-talks

Another strike against SVG. No Vision.

"Detroit renounced the rights to restricted free agent Kentavious Caldwell-Pope upon acquiring Bradley in July, banking on a long-term partnership with Bradley."

Now he's trying to get rid of Bradley. Fail. I guess he couldn't see he was injury prone... Just like he can't see how his seasons always fail due to injured guards/rushing back injured guards.

I guess he couldn't see the pattern or look at prospective players and tell the difference between the types of players that get injured every year and the players that seldom get injured.



Imagine having a 3 guard lineup of RJ/KcP/Donovan Mitchell.

RJ get's injured again, now you have Donovan Mitchell/KCP starting. Ish Smith coming off the bench.

That's a nonstop 2/way attack that SVG's basketball vision couldn't see.

Yeeeaah about that. I'm happy as a pig in **** we didn't pay KCP $20M a year for the next 3-4 years.

Yeah, that's easily one of the best moves Stan ever made (or didn't make.)

Pope @ $20 mil would be absolutely toxic and be in the conversation of the mount rushmore of bad contracts

[ByeByeDre]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22253366/detroit-pistons-make-avery-bradley-available-trade-talks

Another strike against SVG. No Vision.

"Detroit renounced the rights to restricted free agent Kentavious Caldwell-Pope upon acquiring Bradley in July, banking on a long-term partnership with Bradley."

Now he's trying to get rid of Bradley. Fail.

I still remember all of our threads about how getting Bradley and renouncing KCP was a great move..... and thinking that this was the beginning of Gores saying "Enough is enough" to SVG. Pistons held all of the cards with KCP - could have let his agent squirm all he wanted, but Pistons were in a position of power. Then we trade a good starter for KCP's replacement and RENOUNCE HIM FOR NO REASON? So Stan can have a good reputation or something stupid like that?

Morris/KCP for Bradley was a pure cost cutting move by an owner that didn't want a non-playoff team paying a tax. The spin job on Bradley was well constructed, and I do think he's a good player. And to Gores, saving money plus Bradley to deliver this product means more than Morris and whatever KCP would have signed for.