Good article on espn "NBA Financial crunch is coming"

[thesack12]

Stan has said Detroit won't go in the tax next season. If that holds true, I gotta think Buycks and Moreland are locks to return. They just won't have money to spend to fill out the roster.

Barring some dumbass team(I'm looking at you Orlando)taking on one the Pistons bad contracts, I'm inclined to agree.

I really think that this will depend on how well this current team finishes out the season and possible playoffs. Paying that tax will be a lot more palatable if the Pistons are killer down the stretch.

Will also depend on who will be available. I doubt Gores/SVG will turn a quality talent that really REALLY improves the team because of the tax, especially if LCA starts filling up and a long playoff run happens.

I agree in principle. But I don't think an impact guy worthy of going into the tax for will be available for Detroit's MLE. I think if Detroit would be willing to go into the tax, its going to be for a guy they're after in trade.

[bstein14]

Would be crazy to see guys like KCP and Avery Bradley only get MLE type deals but I think its very possible. Even someone like DeAndre Jordan might only be looking at $60 million over 4 years.

[Liqourish]

Barring some dumbass team(I'm looking at you Orlando)taking on one the Pistons bad contracts, I'm inclined to agree.

I really think that this will depend on how well this current team finishes out the season and possible playoffs. Paying that tax will be a lot more palatable if the Pistons are killer down the stretch.

Will also depend on who will be available. I doubt Gores/SVG will turn a quality talent that really REALLY improves the team because of the tax, especially if LCA starts filling up and a long playoff run happens.

I agree in principle. But I don't think an impact guy worthy of going into the tax for will be available for Detroit's MLE. I think if Detroit would be willing to go into the tax, its going to be for a guy they're after in trade.

I wasn't specifically discussing the MLE, but in general. Gores/SVG should avoid the tax when the team isn't winning and they are losing money from moving downtown. But if they go on a run, fill up the arena, start to look like a contender and a move is possible that would cause them to have to go into tax territory, I don't think they'd rule it out entirely. Successful business people never work in absolutes.

[thesack12]

Would be crazy to see guys like KCP and Avery Bradley only get MLE type deals but I think its very possible. Even someone like DeAndre Jordan might only be looking at $60 million over 4 years.

I can easily see Pope only getting MLE $. He's still the same over-rated defensive player with a poor shot and no other solid means to contribute to an offense. Only difference is these days, he's not even playing down the stretch in crunch time of games.

Bradley on the other hand holds a high pedigree around the league. His defensive prowess is not a myth, as he has a All defensive 1st team + an all defensive 2nd team under his belt. He's also proven to be a + shooter from deep. He's a legit 3&D guy. I can foresee Philly going after him, he'd fit in great for them on the floor and give them a good veteran presence with playoff experience.

[thesack12]

Will also depend on who will be available. I doubt Gores/SVG will turn a quality talent that really REALLY improves the team because of the tax, especially if LCA starts filling up and a long playoff run happens.

I agree in principle. But I don't think an impact guy worthy of going into the tax for will be available for Detroit's MLE. I think if Detroit would be willing to go into the tax, its going to be for a guy they're after in trade.

I wasn't specifically discussing the MLE, but in general. Gores/SVG should avoid the tax when the team isn't winning and they are losing money from moving downtown. But if they go on a run, fill up the arena, start to look like a contender and a move is possible that would cause them to have to go into tax territory, I don't think they'd rule it out entirely. Successful business people never work in absolutes.

I'm with you. Just going by what has already been said.

The best way for people to start showing up and filling out the arena is to make a playoff run to at least the 2nd round. Its been 10 years since Detroit won a single playoff game. I don't think simply making the playoffs is going to excite the fan base. Most people are in a wait and see, show me, type attitude. The Piston fan base has proven that if they like a team and the team shows promise, they will come out on droves. They had a streak of 250+ consecutive sellouts in the 00's.

The team is on the right track right now. Just got to keep finding ways to take those next steps.

[Liqourish]

I agree in principle. But I don't think an impact guy worthy of going into the tax for will be available for Detroit's MLE. I think if Detroit would be willing to go into the tax, its going to be for a guy they're after in trade.

I wasn't specifically discussing the MLE, but in general. Gores/SVG should avoid the tax when the team isn't winning and they are losing money from moving downtown. But if they go on a run, fill up the arena, start to look like a contender and a move is possible that would cause them to have to go into tax territory, I don't think they'd rule it out entirely. Successful business people never work in absolutes.

I'm with you. Just going by what has already been said.

The best way for people to start showing up and filling out the arena is to make a playoff run to at least the 2nd round. Its been 10 years since Detroit won a single playoff game. I don't think simply making the playoffs is going to excite the fan base. Most people are in a wait and see, show me, type attitude. The Piston fan base has proven that if they like a team and the team shows promise, they will come out on droves. They had a streak of 250+ consecutive sellouts in the 00's.

The team is on the right track right now. Just got to keep finding ways to take those next steps.

Getting Griffin really did re-energize the fanbase. His first game as a Piston had the highest TV rating of any Piston game in 10 years. If they make the playoffs, fans will show up. I have no doubts about that.

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2018/02/pistons_expand_playbook_for_bl.html

Ratings spike: Thursday's game drew a household rating of 5.5 on FSD. The last regular season game to exceed that was on Nov. 19, 2008 against Cleveland (6.4). It was the highest streamed Pistons game ever on FSD.

[mattao313]

Would be crazy to see guys like KCP and Avery Bradley only get MLE type deals but I think its very possible. Even someone like DeAndre Jordan might only be looking at $60 million over 4 years.

I can easily see Pope only getting MLE $. He's still the same over-rated defensive player with a poor shot and no other solid means to contribute to an offense. Only difference is these days, he's not even playing down the stretch in crunch time of games.

Bradley on the other hand holds a high pedigree around the league. His defensive prowess is not a myth, as he has a All defensive 1st team + an all defensive 2nd team under his belt. He's also proven to be a + shooter from deep. He's a legit 3&D guy. I can foresee Philly going after him, he'd fit in great for them on the floor and give them a good veteran presence with playoff experience.

Meh every defensive metric has Bradley at being terrible and on offense he's a turnover machine. I can see him being paid off rep but as far as actual play he's worse than KCP.

[thesack12]

Would be crazy to see guys like KCP and Avery Bradley only get MLE type deals but I think its very possible. Even someone like DeAndre Jordan might only be looking at $60 million over 4 years.

I can easily see Pope only getting MLE $. He's still the same over-rated defensive player with a poor shot and no other solid means to contribute to an offense. Only difference is these days, he's not even playing down the stretch in crunch time of games.

Bradley on the other hand holds a high pedigree around the league. His defensive prowess is not a myth, as he has a All defensive 1st team + an all defensive 2nd team under his belt. He's also proven to be a + shooter from deep. He's a legit 3&D guy. I can foresee Philly going after him, he'd fit in great for them on the floor and give them a good veteran presence with playoff experience.

Meh every defensive metric has Bradley at being terrible and on offense he's a turnover machine. I can see him being paid off rep but as far as actual play he's worse than KCP.

Haven't caught many Lakers games this year I take it

[thesack12]

I wasn't specifically discussing the MLE, but in general. Gores/SVG should avoid the tax when the team isn't winning and they are losing money from moving downtown. But if they go on a run, fill up the arena, start to look like a contender and a move is possible that would cause them to have to go into tax territory, I don't think they'd rule it out entirely. Successful business people never work in absolutes.

I'm with you. Just going by what has already been said.

The best way for people to start showing up and filling out the arena is to make a playoff run to at least the 2nd round. Its been 10 years since Detroit won a single playoff game. I don't think simply making the playoffs is going to excite the fan base. Most people are in a wait and see, show me, type attitude. The Piston fan base has proven that if they like a team and the team shows promise, they will come out on droves. They had a streak of 250+ consecutive sellouts in the 00's.

The team is on the right track right now. Just got to keep finding ways to take those next steps.

Getting Griffin really did re-energize the fanbase. His first game as a Piston had the highest TV rating of any Piston game in 10 years. If they make the playoffs, fans will show up. I have no doubts about that.

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2018/02/pistons_expand_playbook_for_bl.html

Ratings spike: Thursday's game drew a household rating of 5.5 on FSD. The last regular season game to exceed that was on Nov. 19, 2008 against Cleveland (6.4). It was the highest streamed Pistons game ever on FSD.

Tv ratings are much easier to attain than arena attendance. Although I'm sure that's seen a bump as well. If they make the playoffs people will certainly show up to LCA. But if they get smashed by Boston or Cleveland or whomever, the appeal/excitement probably won't linger into next season.

Still, they are on the right path.

[mattao313]

I can easily see Pope only getting MLE $. He's still the same over-rated defensive player with a poor shot and no other solid means to contribute to an offense. Only difference is these days, he's not even playing down the stretch in crunch time of games.

Bradley on the other hand holds a high pedigree around the league. His defensive prowess is not a myth, as he has a All defensive 1st team + an all defensive 2nd team under his belt. He's also proven to be a + shooter from deep. He's a legit 3&D guy. I can foresee Philly going after him, he'd fit in great for them on the floor and give them a good veteran presence with playoff experience.

Meh every defensive metric has Bradley at being terrible and on offense he's a turnover machine. I can see him being paid off rep but as far as actual play he's worse than KCP.

Haven't caught many Lakers games this year I take it

Whether good or bad Bradley isn't better.

[thesack12]

Meh every defensive metric has Bradley at being terrible and on offense he's a turnover machine. I can see him being paid off rep but as far as actual play he's worse than KCP.

Haven't caught many Lakers games this year I take it

Whether good or bad Bradley isn't better.

The difference is Bradley has proven he can be a good player, whereas Pope hasn't proven anything more than being a "meh" player.

If you are solely comparing them during this season, I can tell you that I listen to quite a bit of SiriusXM NBA radio and Lakers fans who call in sound very reminiscent of Piston fans about Bradley.

Also I've watched a few Laker games this season, and lets just say Pope is gonna Pope. Lately he hasn't even been playing down the stretch with Walton opting for a backcourt of Hart and Clarkson. You would think a supposedly strong perimeter defender like Pope would have been useful in crunch time yesterday against a lineup with Westy/George/Carmelo. Walton kept Pope on the bench and LA won the game.

[thesack12]

Just doing a quick search, there aren't a lot of those mid $, 7-12 mil/season contracts around the league. A lot of teams are very top heavy with their cap and have several minimum type contracts to fill out their roster. There are also quite a few rookie scale contracts around the league in that 2-5 mil range.

That being the case there may be an under the radar avenue for Detroit to move Leuer and Galloway. Their contracts might be perfect to use for some of these bigger trades teams will try to pull off. Detroit might be able to sneak in as a facilitator in a 3 way or two and get more flexibility or roster balance than what having Leuer and Galloway around entails.

[coordinator0]

Just doing a quick search, there aren't a lot of those mid $, 7-12 mil/season contracts around the league. A lot of teams are very top heavy with their cap and have several minimum type contracts to fill out their roster. There are also quite a few rookie scale contracts around the league in that 2-5 mil range.

That being the case there may be an under the radar avenue for Detroit to move Leuer and Galloway. Their contracts might be perfect to use for some of these bigger trades teams will try to pull off. Detroit might be able to sneak in as a facilitator in a 3 way or two and get more flexibility or roster balance than what having Leuer and Galloway around entails.

To be fair Galloway actually fills a need on the roster right now. 3&D guard to go around Jackson, Griffin, and Drummond. I would really, really like to see Van Gundy give him an actual rotation spot that's consistent. Not playing spotty minutes every few games makes a difference.

Leuer? Yeah, he's been made redundant a couple times over with Tolliver stepping and and then bringing Griffin in. Too bad he's the harder one to trade.

[bstein14]

Jon L might not even be a rotation guy next year when healthy now we have Blake... Tolliver, if he stays, has the edge on him for sure.