Blake and Luke

[the_l_train]

Not to mention the whole desperation mode, like the Pistons are THIS CLOSE to being championship level thus it's worth selling a part of the future to get that championship now.

You know when you do that? When you lost in five or six games in the NBA finals. Or even in seven games in the conference finals. Not when you barely make the playoffs, get utterly destroyed in four games in the first round, and are one injury-prone star player's injury away from being one of the worst teams in the NBA.

Forgive me for saying we should overpay Brogdon. You got me, I am no salary cap wiz. I'm hoping someone can at least offer Brogdon a max deal and pry him away from that Bucks core.

Ol' wiretap mentioning Seth Curry today. I would probably rather have him than Derrick Rose. If we grab either one of those guys, I am guessing that would be the extent of our free agency? Fill out the rest of the squad with Glenn Robinson and Zaza-caliber dudes?

If you're asking me, I'll tell you the same thing I've said a million times...DO NOTHING. Next season is GONE. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON THIS EARTH THE PISTONS CAN DO TO COMPETE FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER THIS OFF SEASON. Make the best draft pick you can, suck for another year, let Blake continue to lead the team and instill some good culture, then make some real moves after next year.

...or instead of repeating yourself for the 1,000,001th time, tell us about these real moves you'd like to see in 2020.

I know a lot of these contracts this summer will be one-year deals, but that 2020 Free Agent crop is not looking too sexy right now.

[the_l_train]

I don’t think you commit any money at all beyond this year outside of draft picks. Lots of guys coming off the books and a chance to re-evaluate a lot of this roster then.

If you can get someone decent on a 1 year deal, sure, why not.

I would consider Hezonja someone decent...get him on a one-year, see if he gels with the team.

Seems like a good irrational confidence guy to start at SF.

[7r5ur]

it might be as simple as running more plays for Luke. Instead of Blake having the ball in his hands each possession (for either a shot or to make a play) make it 50/50 between him and Luke.

We can't with RJ being ball dominant and wanting to pound the air out the ball. And it'll be a contract year for Jackson so he'll demand it even more and try to run 30 pick and rolls each night.

The real reason we can't is because luke isn't a 1A option.

Obviously. And neither is anyone on this team not named Blake Griffin, so as usual, the point eludes you. I think it's pretty clear that Kennard is our second best offensive player.. No need to make him the 5th option out there. Blake's body cannot handle the load we tried to give him this year. Other players have to be more involved.

As for free agency, I'm all for going after the best player who will accept a 1-year deal. No more Leuers.

[Manocad]

Forgive me for saying we should overpay Brogdon. You got me, I am no salary cap wiz. I'm hoping someone can at least offer Brogdon a max deal and pry him away from that Bucks core.

Ol' wiretap mentioning Seth Curry today. I would probably rather have him than Derrick Rose. If we grab either one of those guys, I am guessing that would be the extent of our free agency? Fill out the rest of the squad with Glenn Robinson and Zaza-caliber dudes?

If you're asking me, I'll tell you the same thing I've said a million times...DO NOTHING. Next season is GONE. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON THIS EARTH THE PISTONS CAN DO TO COMPETE FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER THIS OFF SEASON. Make the best draft pick you can, suck for another year, let Blake continue to lead the team and instill some good culture, then make some real moves after next year.

...or instead of repeating yourself for the 1,000,001th time, tell us about these real moves you'd like to see in 2020.

I know a lot of these contracts this summer will be one-year deals, but that 2020 Free Agent crop is not looking too sexy right now.

I don't need to have a plan for 2020 and after to know that desperately trying to do anything possible to see some marginal improvement for next year accomplishes NOTHING. You can keep repeating yourself 10 million times with "do this, do that, how about this, how about that" and the end result will still be the same--only marginal improvement for next year can be made, and it will be at the expense of making any more improvement afterward.

You seem to have this fantasy that a capped out, crappy team with enough talent to go .500 and enough garbage to go .250 if any of that talent goes down with an injury can somehow get transformed into a much better product in one off-season. That's literally not possible even if the Pistons exceeded the salary cap by whatever the allowable limit is and traded away every single draft pick they were allowed to. This team is THAT far away from being championship-caliber.

[the_l_train]

If you're asking me, I'll tell you the same thing I've said a million times...DO NOTHING. Next season is GONE. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON THIS EARTH THE PISTONS CAN DO TO COMPETE FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER THIS OFF SEASON. Make the best draft pick you can, suck for another year, let Blake continue to lead the team and instill some good culture, then make some real moves after next year.

...or instead of repeating yourself for the 1,000,001th time, tell us about these real moves you'd like to see in 2020.

I know a lot of these contracts this summer will be one-year deals, but that 2020 Free Agent crop is not looking too sexy right now.

I don't need to have a plan for 2020 and after to know that desperately trying to do anything possible to see some marginal improvement for next year accomplishes NOTHING. You can keep repeating yourself 10 million times with "do this, do that, how about this, how about that" and the end result will still be the same--only marginal improvement for next year can be made, and it will be at the expense of making any more improvement afterward.

You seem to have this fantasy that a capped out, crappy team with enough talent to go .500 and enough garbage to go .250 if any of that talent goes down with an injury can somehow get transformed into a much better product in one off-season. That's literally not possible even if the Pistons exceeded the salary cap by whatever the allowable limit is and traded away every single draft pick they were allowed to. This team is THAT far away from being championship-caliber.

Do this.
Do that.
How about this.
How about that.

Weird....thought that was what RealGM was for! Overpaying for Brogdon was a dumb comment, and not possible, but throwing out ideas seems more productive than the ALL CAPS hissy fits.

Now can you treat us to some of your 2020 ideas, please?

[tradez401]

Please no. The only way we should sign anyone to a long term deal is if they are a young guy with upside. Tossing MLE money on the best vet that would sign with is us a good part of how we got in this cap mess.

no it's not. signing irrelevant players no one would have given that much money to is how they got in the cap mess. leuer getting 4yrs 40 mill is highway robbery. what was SVG thinking????

if I'm not mistaken, the MLE would be less years and slightly less money than leuers contract

Hate to break it to you, but Leuer type guys the the best vets we can get for the MLE. We are waaaaay at the bottom of free agent destinations. The only possible way we turn an MLE contract into an impact player is if we gamble on a young guy with upside that hasn't quite broken out yet.

which younger player should we use the MLE on?

[whitehops]

I don’t think you commit any money at all beyond this year outside of draft picks. Lots of guys coming off the books and a chance to re-evaluate a lot of this roster then.

If you can get someone decent on a 1 year deal, sure, why not.

i'm hoping that our team is actually an attractive destination for free agent wing players, reclamation-types or whatever. it'd be a one year deal which works for us, one year deal plus almost a guaranteed starting spot works for them because they get to improve their value for next off season.

don't think the same would work for PG, PF or C given that those starters are all but locked in.

[Snakebites]

I don’t think you commit any money at all beyond this year outside of draft picks. Lots of guys coming off the books and a chance to re-evaluate a lot of this roster then.

If you can get someone decent on a 1 year deal, sure, why not.

i'm hoping that our team is actually an attractive destination for free agent wing players, reclamation-types or whatever. it'd be a one year deal which works for us, one year deal plus almost a guaranteed starting spot works for them because they get to improve their value for next off season.

don't think the same would work for PG, PF or C given that those starters are all but locked in.

Last time so many teams had money to spend solid role players got crazy paydays.

Remember the contracts Danny Green and DeMarre Carroll got?

Not sure we'll get someone solid on a one year deal, but we'll see. Maybe teams have learned from last time.

[Manocad]

...or instead of repeating yourself for the 1,000,001th time, tell us about these real moves you'd like to see in 2020.

I know a lot of these contracts this summer will be one-year deals, but that 2020 Free Agent crop is not looking too sexy right now.

I don't need to have a plan for 2020 and after to know that desperately trying to do anything possible to see some marginal improvement for next year accomplishes NOTHING. You can keep repeating yourself 10 million times with "do this, do that, how about this, how about that" and the end result will still be the same--only marginal improvement for next year can be made, and it will be at the expense of making any more improvement afterward.

You seem to have this fantasy that a capped out, crappy team with enough talent to go .500 and enough garbage to go .250 if any of that talent goes down with an injury can somehow get transformed into a much better product in one off-season. That's literally not possible even if the Pistons exceeded the salary cap by whatever the allowable limit is and traded away every single draft pick they were allowed to. This team is THAT far away from being championship-caliber.

Do this.
Do that.
How about this.
How about that.

Weird....thought that was what RealGM was for! Overpaying for Brogdon was a dumb comment, and not possible, but throwing out ideas seems more productive than the ALL CAPS hissy fits.

Now can you treat us to some of your 2020 ideas, please?

You’re being intentionally obtuse. I never said that this forum wasn’t for discussing what we the users think the team should do; of course it is. I have only addressed your specific ideas for desperately overspending in order to make marginal improvement now at the expense of the future. Once again, I don’t need to have specific moves in mind after 2020 to know that your plan leads to the treadmill; we’re living it now. I’ve seen championship teams built organically over time in all sports in the past, including the Pistons. And since we’re seeing right now what the “win now” strategy leads to—nothing close to a championship—THAT’S THE ONLY ARGUMENT I NEED, SHAWN.

The all caps are of course used for emphasis on certain words, phrases or sentences. If that represents a hissy fit to you, oh well. Obviously this forum is for the exchange of ideas but if you have a problem with someone arguing the logic of ideas you present, I can assure you that social media is going to give you fits. If a stand up comic walks on stage and tells a bad joke the crowd is going to let him/her hear about it. That’s just how it goes.