Derrick Rose is still All-Star Caliber and talks of trading him are laughable

[mrroboto4889]

I understand all these arguments but this is a professional franchise, not a charity. Unless the player demands a trade, there's no reason why a team should look to give away its players just so they have a chance to win somewhere else. And if it's asset management, then bottom out completely, like Philly did for multiple years. It should be easier now that there are no fans in the stands, to go for next year's no.1 pick. Otherwise, stay competitive.

Plus, there are so many good players available on the trade market right now that you can build a playoff team around, and I don't just mean Westbrook or guys who just became available. I mean Jrue Holiday, Tristan Thompson, Spencer Dinwiddie, Andre Drummond (ironically)... sure, you'd probably have to give up a future first rounder or two (especially for Holiday), but adding two of these guys to a core with Rose and Blake means automatic playoffs in the East.

This is a pretty bad take. Look at what this franchise has been the past decade. Making all-in moves to get swept in the first round isnt as fun as it sounds. Instead of building around 2 injury prone guys in their 30s, we can acquire young assets and build around those plus Sekou and Luke if it makes sense to keep them around.

You can get to the playoffs with your plan. You can win championships and build dynasties when you're honest with yourself about where you stand and you cut bait on guys that still have value but dont fit your window to win.

[SergiuRoBuc]

I just don't agree at all with the logic of the topic and the fact that it's meant to incite needlessly.

The first sentence of the OP is horribly ironic as he seems frustrated with regards to how little thought some people put into their articles... ...or running their teams.

Well, the rest of us are frustrated in how little thought you put into your post before blasting away??

Others have already posted what pretty much everyone except the OP seems to get: We are a rebuilding team. Rose doesn't have a long-term future here (or he really shouldn't) so the best we can do for our franchise is to trade him for a pick or a prospect. It has literally nothing to do with how he is playing / shouldn't be taken as an indication that his contributions aren't valued.

How hard is this to understand? I mean, are we getting trolled here?

Wow, really? I meant to incite people with my post? Yeah, you got me..hoping to start a real revolution here..

Anyway, are you a rebuilding team? Before last season, you had Drummond, Blake, Rose plus a playoff-proven head coach. I guess you could argue that you're rebuilding after stupidly trading Drummond for Brandon Knight, Henson and a 2023 2nd rounder, but what exactly is the process here? If you're just giving players away, why not give away Blake and Rose last year? There are two types of mediocrity in this league. One is playoff mediocrity and the other lottery mediocrity.

You name me a small market team in the past 20 years that has contended for a championship after picking in the 7-12 range during the draft in multiple years. You're rebuilding with Kennard and Seku and a bunch of other "Kennards and Sekus" that you'll be drafting in the next 2-3 years? Dude, those guys wouldn't even see a minute of playing time in this year's finals. Let's face it. This front office is historically bad at drafting talent. And whenever they do stumble upon someone good, they're historically bad at evaluating that talent and developing it. Pistons drafted both Dinwiddie and Khris Middleton as 2nd rounders in the past decade alone and they're now thriving on different teams. The only really good first rounder this past decade has been Drummond and they just got rid of him for a chance to pick the next guy they'll improperly evaluate and possibly trade away.

There's no direction here. I'll tell you what's going to happen. This team will fall arse-backwards into a Sixers-like Process, but not because they were smart enough to tank effective immediately, but because they'll simply do a horrible job of drafting and signing free agents and will eventually bottom out.

Or here's an idea, spend some money on older FA and guys who can be had today (Holiday, Dinwiddie, Thompson) and pair them with Rose and Blake like I said, and maybe enjoy some basketball before the team eventually ends up where it was headed anyway. You can ALWAYS rebuild, but you can't always put a good product on the floor.

[440BB]

Let's face it. This front office is historically bad at drafting talent. And whenever they do stumble upon someone good, they're historically bad at evaluating that talent and developing it. Pistons drafted both Dinwiddie and Khris Middleton as 2nd rounders in the past decade alone and they're now thriving on different teams. The only really good first rounder this past decade has been Drummond and they just got rid of him for a chance to pick the next guy they'll improperly evaluate and possibly trade away.

You do realize there is an new front office this year, right?

[SergiuRoBuc]

You do realize there is an new front office this year, right?

You mean assuming ownership doesn't get involved? The new front office is still left with two basic choices. Blow it up or try to stay competitive. Anything in between is where the team currently is and it's borderline unwatchable. Troy Weaver would have to be a downright genius to build a contender using just late lottery picks. So again, what are we talking about? Just tank and there's nothing more I can say about that, because it's your best shot of landing a surefire star in the draft, even though it's not guaranteed. But otherwise they'll just keep picking mid to late lottery, and no big name free agent is going to want to come to Detroit, so the only choice you have is to trade for somebody. Once you do that, you don't give away your only two good players in Blake and D-Rose.

This all started with the Rose argument. If he had a monster contract like Blake, then keeping him on the books given his age and injury history would be a much bigger risk long term. But on his current contract, it's ridiculous to not want him as your starting point guard given how good he still is. Just squeeze every last ounce of basketball out of him.

[Invictus88]

I just don't agree at all with the logic of the topic and the fact that it's meant to incite needlessly.

The first sentence of the OP is horribly ironic as he seems frustrated with regards to how little thought some people put into their articles... ...or running their teams.

Well, the rest of us are frustrated in how little thought you put into your post before blasting away??

Others have already posted what pretty much everyone except the OP seems to get: We are a rebuilding team. Rose doesn't have a long-term future here (or he really shouldn't) so the best we can do for our franchise is to trade him for a pick or a prospect. It has literally nothing to do with how he is playing / shouldn't be taken as an indication that his contributions aren't valued.

How hard is this to understand? I mean, are we getting trolled here?

Wow, really? I meant to incite people with my post? Yeah, you got me..hoping to start a real revolution here..

Anyway, are you a rebuilding team? Before last season, you had Drummond, Blake, Rose plus a playoff-proven head coach. I guess you could argue that you're rebuilding after stupidly trading Drummond for Brandon Knight, Henson and a 2023 2nd rounder, but what exactly is the process here? If you're just giving players away, why not give away Blake and Rose last year? There are two types of mediocrity in this league. One is playoff mediocrity and the other lottery mediocrity.

You name me a small market team in the past 20 years that has contended for a championship after picking in the 7-12 range during the draft in multiple years. You're rebuilding with Kennard and Seku and a bunch of other "Kennards and Sekus" that you'll be drafting in the next 2-3 years? Dude, those guys wouldn't even see a minute of playing time in this year's finals. Let's face it. This front office is historically bad at drafting talent. And whenever they do stumble upon someone good, they're historically bad at evaluating that talent and developing it. Pistons drafted both Dinwiddie and Khris Middleton as 2nd rounders in the past decade alone and they're now thriving on different teams. The only really good first rounder this past decade has been Drummond and they just got rid of him for a chance to pick the next guy they'll improperly evaluate and possibly trade away.

There's no direction here. I'll tell you what's going to happen. This team will fall arse-backwards into a Sixers-like Process, but not because they were smart enough to tank effective immediately, but because they'll simply do a horrible job of drafting and signing free agents and will eventually bottom out.

Or here's an idea, spend some money on older FA and guys who can be had today (Holiday, Dinwiddie, Thompson) and pair them with Rose and Blake like I said, and maybe enjoy some basketball before the team eventually ends up where it was headed anyway. You can ALWAYS rebuild, but you can't always put a good product on the floor.

So your entire point is that since we've spent the last 15 years toiling in mediocrity because of stupid moves and bad management that we should continue to make stupid moves and toil in mediocrity some more. Got it.

Were you dropped on your head once too often as a child?

[SergiuRoBuc]

Were you dropped on your head once too often as a child?

Hey how'd you know about that?!

Anyway, my point is that unless you tank, all you're going to get is mediocrity, so you gotta choose which type. The type you've experienced so far, or the type where you actually try to compete a little and trade for a few nice pieces.

[440BB]

The only tradeable assets we have to acquire a few nice pieces are Rose, Kennard, Sekou and draft picks. Trade away the youngsters and we end up with a couple aged stars, maybe one more, and a bunch of bench players, not competitive whatsoever. Drummond, who you believe we stupidly traded away, was unwanted at his salary by any team other than Cleveland. He was not a good piece in his time here, just an accumulator of stats. I'm hoping Cleveland signs him to an extension, keeping them mediocre for years to come.

Ironically, there wouldn't be any salary cap available to the Pistons had they not dumped Drummond, leaving them virtually no rebuilding options this year. Signing a couple free agents and using up the cap space for Rose's last year and two more injury riddled years of Griffin would be the best way to guarantee years of mediocrity in the future.

[mrroboto4889]

You name me a small market team in the past 20 years that has contended for a championship after picking in the 7-12 range during the draft in multiple years

Steph Curry was drafted 7th, Klay Thompson was 11th, Draymond Green was actually a 2nd rounder.

Jamal Murray was 7th, Michael Porter Jr was 14th, Jokic was a 2nd rounder.

Had we picked Donovan Mitchell instead of Kennard, this conversation looks alot different.

You dont have to tell us how terrible this team's front office has been, we know. The fact is that we're still paying for the Blake Griffin trade. Look at what LA flipped Tobias for 1 year later. Give us those assets, plus the 1st rounder we gave up, plus not having Blake's contract on the books- we would probably be in the conversation of making some of the all-in moves you're talking about.

You keep bringing up the Sixers tanking the right way. Any team "could" do that if it were that easy. The most impressive thing Hinkie did was sell an owner on that plan. He really didnt even draft well (MCW, Noel, Okafor, bad luck with Fultz). That's easy to do on 2k when you can sim a season in 5 mins. It's different when your fanbase spends a year being embarrassed to wear, let alone buy, your gear. Or the players, coaches, staff that go to work every day feeling like sacrificial lambs.

My point is that I believe Rose and Blake both get traded before the end of their contracts because they are good players on a going nowhere team. But I also understand why they arent just blowing the team up and putting the "future" of the team out there to lose 70 times. Atleast there are adults in the locker room for now.

Getting back to your original point, idk what articles you've read, but Rose is being shopped because he's a good player on a bad team. So he would be worth more to a good team. That's just how the league works. No one thinks he's terrible.

[Pharaoh]

Were you dropped on your head once too often as a child?

Hey how'd you know about that?!

Anyway, my point is that unless you tank, all you're going to get is mediocrity, so you gotta choose which type. The type you've experienced so far, or the type where you actually try to compete a little and trade for a few nice pieces.

You can rebuild the "right" way and not outright tank though.

Brooklyn & Miami are the 2 obvious examples and even if you eliminate the KD/Kyrie/Butler moves both organisations were on the right path and neither had a top 7 pick.

Picks, prospects and cap flexibility is key.

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