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Race to the bottom: Who's our biggest competition?

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Re: Race to the bottom: Who's our biggest competition? 

Post#481 » by MotownMadness » Thu Apr 8, 2021 12:20 pm

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Buying a player out is almost always a bad move unless the player is willing to give up a significant amount of money. Perhaps next year a team will need him at the trade deadline and they won't have to eat all that remaining salary.

They got picks to take that contract, and their goal is to get rid of it for pure expiring and possibly even get a pick back out of it. They've been masterful at taking on contracts and collecting picks, and then trading those contracts for extra picks. Amazing how far their rebuild has gone since Paul George decided he didn't want to be there just a year and a half ago.

Didn't the Pelicans get fined for doing that to Davis? I understand why they would want to sit him as it's a beautiful tank move but wondering how they can for that long.


Davis wanted to play the Pelicans just didn't want to ruin the trade value of someone who asked them for a trade, by having him get injured. At this point in his career, Horford is probably fine with saving the wear and tear on his body and getting paid to stay home. Especially since he is married to a Miss Universe winner and they have four children together. So overall, if both parties agree to it I think its fine. The NBA did also say that this season they wouldn't be enforcing the issue of having stars play and not sit out due to rest, unless it was for National TV games.

That's just crazy for that long but if they both agree to it then yeah I guess it's a bit different.
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Re: Race to the bottom: Who's our biggest competition? 

Post#482 » by ducler » Fri Apr 9, 2021 7:10 am

Looking at Magic's schedule and ours, it will be very tough for us to stay at this 3rd worst position.

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Re: Race to the bottom: Who's our biggest competition? 

Post#483 » by edmunder_prc » Fri Apr 9, 2021 2:39 pm

19 games remaining.

OKC
WAS
CLE
SAS
CHA
ORL
CHA
MIN

Those games are against teams that dont even want to win. Maybe CHI too, its one of the final games. Last game of the year is against Nuggets - they might be resting.

So half the games are against teams that dont want to win. Casey wants to win.

Thunder are resting everyone. Shai(SGA) has a "leg contusion" and is out for extended time, etc.
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Re: Race to the bottom: Who's our biggest competition? 

Post#484 » by Manocad » Fri Apr 9, 2021 2:47 pm

edmunder_prc wrote:19 games remaining.

OKC
WAS
CLE
SAS
CHA
ORL
CHA
MIN

Those games are against teams that dont even want to win. Maybe CHI too, its one of the final games. Last game of the year is against Nuggets - they might be resting.

So half the games are against teams that dont want to win. Casey wants to win.

Thunder are resting everyone. Shai(SGA) has a "leg contusion" and is out for extended time, etc.

The players want to win. You should be critical of them, those SOB's. Maybe they should be fired. And the casual fans want to see the team win so fire them too while you're at it.
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Re: Race to the bottom: Who's our biggest competition? 

Post#485 » by Snakebites » Fri Apr 9, 2021 8:30 pm

I think we end up fourth, with the Magic ultimately passing us. The other teams have enough easy games of their own that I still think we can hold on.
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Re: Race to the bottom: Who's our biggest competition? 

Post#486 » by buzzkilloton » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:56 am

538 win projections still have us 3rd but its getting really really close now. Also the Rockets and Wolves are getting big time separation from us in the projections which include injuries and SOS in there.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-predictions/

1. Rockets 19 wins
2.Wolves 20 wins
3.Pistons 23wins
4. Magic 24wins
5.Thunder 25 wins
6.Wiz 26 wins
7. Cavs 26 wins

As you can see its very very close between 3-7. Basically any win over a quality team screws us. We had quite a few early in the season. Thats why I was never celebrating the wins as I knew when it came down to it were going to be battling for draft position.

A drop from 3 to 7 is a huge loss. Going from a 52% chance at top 4 to only 30% and a 7% diff in having a chance at Cade.
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Re: Race to the bottom: Who's our biggest competition? 

Post#487 » by ElectricMayhem » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:36 am

We're going to win down the stretch, get 7th and another team will move up in the lottery giving us the 8th pick. If you don't know this is going to happen, you haven't been watching Detroit Pistons basketball the last decade.
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Post#488 » by tmorgan » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:24 am

ElectricMayhem wrote:We're going to win down the stretch, get 7th and another team will move up in the lottery giving us the 8th pick. If you don't know this is going to happen, you haven't been watching Detroit Pistons basketball the last decade.


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Re: Race to the bottom: Who's our biggest competition? 

Post#489 » by zeebneeb » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:59 am

ElectricMayhem wrote:We're going to win down the stretch, get 7th and another team will move up in the lottery giving us the 8th pick. If you don't know this is going to happen, you haven't been watching Detroit Pistons basketball the last decade.
I hate that it feels like you've seen the future.

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Post#490 » by DetroitSho » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:29 am

ElectricMayhem wrote:We're going to win down the stretch, get 7th and another team will move up in the lottery giving us the 8th pick. If you don't know this is going to happen, you haven't been watching Detroit Pistons basketball the last decade.
Yep because the last decade is going to determine exactly what happens this year.

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Post#491 » by NYPiston » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:34 am

edmunder_prc wrote:19 games remaining.

OKC
WAS
CLE
SAS
CHA
ORL
CHA
MIN

Those games are against teams that dont even want to win. Maybe CHI too, its one of the final games. Last game of the year is against Nuggets - they might be resting.

So half the games are against teams that dont want to win. Casey wants to win.

Thunder are resting everyone. Shai(SGA) has a "leg contusion" and is out for extended time, etc.


The Hornets definitely want to win and are still formidable without Ball and Hayward, the Wizards with Beal are pretty much a playoff level team so that'll be tough and the Spurs killed the Pistons not too long ago without DeRozan. Even the Magic have been surprisingly competitive.

With that said, there are definitely some winnable games down the stretch and I think it's a virtual guarantee that they pass Orlando and probably OKC at this rate (they won't win more than one or two games if that) so 5th is looking like the most likely spot. Either way, the Pistons are going to need some lottery luck to stay in the top 5.
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Re: Race to the bottom: Who's our biggest competition? 

Post#492 » by ElectricMayhem » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:23 am

DetroitSho wrote:
ElectricMayhem wrote:We're going to win down the stretch, get 7th and another team will move up in the lottery giving us the 8th pick. If you don't know this is going to happen, you haven't been watching Detroit Pistons basketball the last decade.
Yep because the last decade is going to determine exactly what happens this year.

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I flipped a coin twice and it was heads both times. Therefore, it is 100% heads and every time I flip it in the future, it will be heads. Simple math, really.
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Re: Race to the bottom: Who's our biggest competition? 

Post#493 » by sfballa13 » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:35 am

DetroitSho wrote:
ElectricMayhem wrote:We're going to win down the stretch, get 7th and another team will move up in the lottery giving us the 8th pick. If you don't know this is going to happen, you haven't been watching Detroit Pistons basketball the last decade.
Yep because the last decade is going to determine exactly what happens this year.

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Pistons have picked in the top 5 of the NBA Draft only three times in the past FORTY years

Isiah Thomas, Grant Hill, Darko

So maybe you are right, the last decade may not determine what happens this year but I'd say the last four decades might
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Post#494 » by Pharaoh » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:14 am

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DetroitSho wrote:
ElectricMayhem wrote:We're going to win down the stretch, get 7th and another team will move up in the lottery giving us the 8th pick. If you don't know this is going to happen, you haven't been watching Detroit Pistons basketball the last decade.
Yep because the last decade is going to determine exactly what happens this year.

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Pistons have picked in the top 5 of the NBA Draft only three times in the past FORTY years

Isiah Thomas, Grant Hill, Darko

So maybe you are right, the last decade may not determine what happens this year but I'd say the last four decades might
Did you include all the years we made the playoffs?

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Post#495 » by Pharaoh » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:19 am

To be fair it's not hard to understand why many here feel we are destined to pick 5th or 6th or later.

The organisation hasn't exactly been blessed with luck in the Lottery whenever we have missed the playoffs.

That's also a reason why tanking for draft picks alone has never been a good way to build a team.

As much **** as Hinkie gets for going full Hinkie he did manage to find quality role players outside of the Draft - they just didn't keep them!

RoCo, TJ, Holmes are just 3 I know the Sixers got from nowhere....

That said the Draft is not the be all, end all of team building. Trades and free agency matter as well

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Post#496 » by sfballa13 » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:32 am

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DetroitSho wrote:Yep because the last decade is going to determine exactly what happens this year.

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Pistons have picked in the top 5 of the NBA Draft only three times in the past FORTY years

Isiah Thomas, Grant Hill, Darko

So maybe you are right, the last decade may not determine what happens this year but I'd say the last four decades might
Did you include all the years we made the playoffs?

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Ironically one of our three top 5 picks was during the 6 straight ECF run

The NBA doesnt want stars in Detroit - never have.

We have had multiple opportunities to get a lucky bounce of the ping pong ball but it never happened

Our last #1 overall pick was in 1970 - Bob Lanier
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Post#497 » by Pharaoh » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:21 am

sfballa13 wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:
sfballa13 wrote:
Pistons have picked in the top 5 of the NBA Draft only three times in the past FORTY years

Isiah Thomas, Grant Hill, Darko

So maybe you are right, the last decade may not determine what happens this year but I'd say the last four decades might
Did you include all the years we made the playoffs?

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Ironically one of our three top 5 picks was during the 6 straight ECF run

The NBA doesnt want stars in Detroit - never have.

We have had multiple opportunities to get a lucky bounce of the ping pong ball but it never happened

Our last #1 overall pick was in 1970 - Bob Lanier
The NBA doesn't want stars in Detroit?

The Bad Boys & the Going to Work Pistons are still brought up as legendary! Grant Hill just got a USA basketball position.

We are part of the fabric of the league. You can't tell the story of the NBA without us! Unlike so many irrelevant franchises.

IF one believed in conspiracy theories one could argue NOW is the perfect time to gift us a top 3 pick:

African American GM
African American Coach
Unsung & underrated Grant
"Core 4" rookies

Gift wrapping us Cade or Green could be huge and a MAX free agent signing in 2022 after some Lottery "luck" could catapult our franchise back to prominence at the "right" time

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Post#498 » by DetroitSho » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:02 pm

sfballa13 wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:
sfballa13 wrote:
Pistons have picked in the top 5 of the NBA Draft only three times in the past FORTY years

Isiah Thomas, Grant Hill, Darko

So maybe you are right, the last decade may not determine what happens this year but I'd say the last four decades might
Did you include all the years we made the playoffs?

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Ironically one of our three top 5 picks was during the 6 straight ECF run

The NBA doesnt want stars in Detroit - never have.

We have had multiple opportunities to get a lucky bounce of the ping pong ball but it never happened

Our last #1 overall pick was in 1970 - Bob Lanier
If you really believed what you said you'd stop watching.

Just FFS, where do they want stars?

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Post#499 » by MotownMadness » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:12 pm

if this draft didn't have such a good looking top 5 I would probably quit worrying so much.

Like I'm not even trying to waste a whole season in the future tanking for 1 guy at the top with these new lottery odds.

I don't even think Hinkie would go such full force for so long if he was doing it under this new system.
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Post#500 » by Snakebites » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:25 pm

Pharaoh wrote:To be fair it's not hard to understand why many here feel we are destined to pick 5th or 6th or later.

The organisation hasn't exactly been blessed with luck in the Lottery whenever we have missed the playoffs.

That's also a reason why tanking for draft picks alone has never been a good way to build a team.

As much **** as Hinkie gets for going full Hinkie he did manage to find quality role players outside of the Draft - they just didn't keep them!

RoCo, TJ, Holmes are just 3 I know the Sixers got from nowhere....

That said the Draft is not the be all, end all of team building. Trades and free agency matter as well

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It’s not hard to understand, but it’s wrong.

It’s totally possible it happens. But this board has gotten too fatalistic for my taste.

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