GAME 59: Pistons @ Mavericks 8PM

[tmorgan]

Plumlee is bargain basemant Jokic. And Jokic is so good, that's not even a bad player.

[FloridaMan78]

Man Grant is such a good player, I just don’t get why so many people on here want to trade him. He’s not a number one option and I don’t think he thinks he should be, but he is the type of player I’d want on my team. You don’t just find players like him everywhere.

[guldakot]

Man Grant is such a good player, I just don’t get why so many people on here want to trade him. He’s not a number one option and I don’t think he thinks he should be, but he is the type of player I’d want on my team. You don’t just find players like him everywhere.

The biggest debate is whether he is too good to have right now. The main issue if you are a proponent of multiyear tanking is that Grant, plus the 2021 draft, plus internal growth means hard tanking is done after this season. Grant being as good as he is effectively takes us out of a high lottery pick next year.

I personally would prefer the Pistons to be in full gear next year, but I completely understand those that would rather build that talent base one more year with a chance at Emoni/Chet.

[tmorgan]

OK, needed that L. Well played.

[FloridaMan78]

Good tank loss. Competitive and young guys got some run. Saben Lee had a few good plays and made some mistakes he’ll learn from.

[zeebneeb]

Doncic is amazing, but that Dallas team has serious problems. They need a real center that rebounds, and protects the paint(How good would Stewart be for them?)they also need a second, serious playmaker/scorer.

KP is a good player, but he absolutely cannot be the anchor on the defensive anchor for that team.

[Laimbeer]

Dallas really screwed themselves investing so much into Zinger.

[Manocad]

Man Grant is such a good player, I just don’t get why so many people on here want to trade him. He’s not a number one option and I don’t think he thinks he should be, but he is the type of player I’d want on my team. You don’t just find players like him everywhere.

The biggest debate is whether he is too good to have right now. The main issue if you are a proponent of multiyear tanking is that Grant, plus the 2021 draft, plus internal growth means hard tanking is done after this season. Grant being as good as he is effectively takes us out of a high lottery pick next year.

I personally would prefer the Pistons to be in full gear next year, but I completely understand those that would rather build that talent base one more year with a chance at Emoni/Chet.

They can still do that though; it may just take some maneuvering on Weaver's part to get a higher draft pick than the team would get based on their record.

That speaks to the same message I've been hammering all along--you can't hit on all your high draft picks but keep sucking for 3+ years in a row. Good players are going to play hard and shine, and when that happens you're going to win games unless you have 9-11 absolute pieces of garbage around your 1-2-3 great draft picks. And then where are you? You have a team that legitimately sucks other than 2-3 draft picks.

And as far as "What about Philadelphia?" What about them? They started the tank 8 years ago and haven't sniffed a championship.

[bstein14]

The Spurs hit on late picks in Parker and Manu. It's promising that we have hit what appears to be at worst, solid rotation players in Bey and Stewart... and more likely two guys good enough to at least be solid starters in this league. If Weaver can consistantly hit on guys later in the draft once our record improves we'll be in great shape.

I don't think we need to be bad multiple years, and I don't think we're going to be bad enough to be picking in the top 5 or 6 again after this season.


Part of me hopes we're at least bad enough to keep our 2022 first rounder instead of having to pay it back to Houston next year, but if we end up going enough to pick #17 or #18 then I suppose we should be happy to pay it back to Houston right away. Pick is top 16 protected in 2022 and 2023 I believe. Finishing 7th in the East next year could mean we don't have a 2022 first round draft pick.

[edmunder_prc]

Dallas really screwed themselves investing so much into Zinger.

Would Dallas want to dump him?

Porzingis makes:

2021-22 $31 million
2022-23 $34 million
2023-24 $36 million

Do you trade Cojo + Plumlee is $21million. McGruder could be another $5 million if he was tendered. Josh Jackson is another $5 million. Both McGruder and Josh Jackson will be expirings next year.

So would Dallas take a pile of whatever for Porzingis?

Could a Porzingis, Stewart combo work? Stewart has the muscle to flex against strong guys and rebounds well.

Could Grant fit back at SF?

Porzingis, Stewart, Grant, Bey, Hayes?

That is a long, long lineup. Might have trouble against a team going small though, quickness wise.

[edmunder_prc]

Plumlee is bargain basemant Jokic. And Jokic is so good, that's not even a bad player.

Jokic is at all time best shooting center levels.

He's shooting 41% from 3 on high volume being double teamed.

Plumlee's range is layup. Baby hook for him is like Drummond, not a high percentage shot.

Plumlee is a really odd duck and not easy to make a solid team around. He can't shoot, isnt great at defense, isnt a great rebounder, needs the ball in his hands to be helpful, etc.

Any guy who can not shoot make a modern NBA team work a lot harder.

[bstein14]

Dallas is for sure looking at options other than Porzingas. He's had injury issues and likely isn't the ideal big to pair with Luka. They reportedly have interest in John Collins this summer. They do have some cap space to spend this summer it will be interesting to see where they go with Porzingas for sure.

[FloridaMan78]

The Spurs hit on late picks in Parker and Manu. It's promising that we have hit what appears to be at worst, solid rotation players in Bey and Stewart... and more likely two guys good enough to at least be solid starters in this league. If Weaver can consistantly hit on guys later in the draft once our record improves we'll be in great shape.

I don't think we need to be bad multiple years, and I don't think we're going to be bad enough to be picking in the top 5 or 6 again after this season.


Part of me hopes we're at least bad enough to keep our 2022 first rounder instead of having to pay it back to Houston next year, but if we end up going enough to pick #17 or #18 then I suppose we should be happy to pay it back to Houston right away. Pick is top 16 protected in 2022 and 2023 I believe. Finishing 7th in the East next year could mean we don't have a 2022 first round draft pick.

100% agree with this.

I think people have also lost faith in building through free agency because of our past, but Weaver showed he could do that with Grant. There is such a huge opportunity in 2022 with nearly 70 million in cap space. We could get 2 super stars or get 3 guys like Grant to add to Hayes, Grant, 2021 draft pick, Bey and Stewart.

[Pharaoh]

The Spurs hit on late picks in Parker and Manu. It's promising that we have hit what appears to be at worst, solid rotation players in Bey and Stewart... and more likely two guys good enough to at least be solid starters in this league. If Weaver can consistantly hit on guys later in the draft once our record improves we'll be in great shape.

I don't think we need to be bad multiple years, and I don't think we're going to be bad enough to be picking in the top 5 or 6 again after this season.


Part of me hopes we're at least bad enough to keep our 2022 first rounder instead of having to pay it back to Houston next year, but if we end up going enough to pick #17 or #18 then I suppose we should be happy to pay it back to Houston right away. Pick is top 16 protected in 2022 and 2023 I believe. Finishing 7th in the East next year could mean we don't have a 2022 first round draft pick.

100% agree with this.

I think people have also lost faith in building through free agency because of our past, but Weaver showed he could do that with Grant. There is such a huge opportunity in 2022 with nearly 70 million in cap space. We could get 2 super stars or get 3 guys like Grant to add to Hayes, Grant, 2021 draft pick, Bey and Stewart.

It's almost like the FO knew what they were doing all along

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[Pharaoh]

Man Grant is such a good player, I just don’t get why so many people on here want to trade him. He’s not a number one option and I don’t think he thinks he should be, but he is the type of player I’d want on my team. You don’t just find players like him everywhere.

The biggest debate is whether he is too good to have right now. The main issue if you are a proponent of multiyear tanking is that Grant, plus the 2021 draft, plus internal growth means hard tanking is done after this season. Grant being as good as he is effectively takes us out of a high lottery pick next year.

I personally would prefer the Pistons to be in full gear next year, but I completely understand those that would rather build that talent base one more year with a chance at Emoni/Chet.

They can still do that though; it may just take some maneuvering on Weaver's part to get a higher draft pick than the team would get based on their record.

That speaks to the same message I've been hammering all along--you can't hit on all your high draft picks but keep sucking for 3+ years in a row. Good players are going to play hard and shine, and when that happens you're going to win games unless you have 9-11 absolute pieces of garbage around your 1-2-3 great draft picks. And then where are you? You have a team that legitimately sucks other than 2-3 draft picks.

And as far as "What about Philadelphia?" What about them? They started the tank 8 years ago and haven't sniffed a championship.

Also consider that they deliberately drafted guys and sat them out a season in order to tank again.

The drama with Philly though is that all those good role players Hinkie and his crew found didn't stay in Philly!

AND still IF they treated Butler differently and chose him over Tobias history just might be different.

We're looking at Philly over a 8 year span.

We're looking at the Pistons in year 1!

But very few have the patience to wait a season or 2, much less 5!

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