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GAME 60: Pistons @ Spurs 8:30PM

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Re: GAME 60: Pistons @ Spurs 8:30PM 

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Post#43 » by Manocad » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:48 am

Will Poeltl turtle? Or will he get over the free throw hurdle? His form looks tight, like he's wearing a girdle.
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Post#44 » by Invictus88 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:51 am

Please develop a right hand over the offseason Mr. Hayes.
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Post#45 » by Manocad » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:51 am

Blaha, about the Spurs: "They feel like they've probably put this one away."

Probably? I don't know if there have been any NBA games in which an 18 point deficit was overcome in the final two minutes.
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Post#46 » by bstein14 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:51 am

Rough end to the game. Several times guards tried to get it to Stewart after he set picks when he was heavily guarded. Young guards need to know when to pass and know when to take it themselves or look for an alternate Piston to pass to. Most importantly, the tank rolls on.
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Post#47 » by DNice68 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:53 am

You already know Pop was not gonna allow Casey to beat him!
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Post#48 » by FloridaMan78 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:55 am

Good loss. Josh Jackson proving his case he deserves to be on this team. Can really see him being our offense off our bench when we get good.
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Post#49 » by JohnReese » Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:07 am

Frank Jackson deserving Diallo's spot for next year and his money too. If Frank leaves, I am gonna be very pissed. His first step and his attitude are amazing.
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Post#50 » by FloridaMan78 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:09 am

JohnReese wrote:Frank Jackson deserving Diallo's spot for next year and his money too. If Frank leaves, I am gonna be very pissed. His first step and his attitude are amazing.


This is the more pressing issue than the Josh Jackson vs. Diallo. Josh Jackson is signed through next year, while Diallo is a restricted free agent and Frank Jackson is an unrestricted free agent. If no one offers Diallo a contract then point is moot. But if someone does...

Frank Jackson has undoubtedly out played Diallo in our system, he just fits better. Catch and shoot the three or fake and attack the rim, pretty simple unless you aren’t confident in your three point shot.

Question is, how much?
Neither should be more than 4 mil. If they want more bye bye, unless it’s a 1 year deal since 2022 cap space is the most important thing. I’d give Frank Jackson 3yrs 12mil or a 1 year 6 mil. Diallo’s qualifying offer is 2.1 mil, I wouldn’t go much higher than that.
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Post#51 » by bstein14 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:33 pm

Depending on who we draft with our first rounder, there might not be room in the rotation for Frank Jackson or Diallo. I'd be happy to have them both back as well as Lee back, but most likely at least one of those 3 players won't be here next year. It does seem that DSJ is likely gone.

You need a 3rd string out of the rotation guy at each position pretty much for your 11 - 15 players, its just not always easy getting those guys on board unless they are second rounders, or vet minimum type players just looking for a deal with any team.
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Post#52 » by MotownMadness » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:36 pm

bstein14 wrote:Depending on who we draft with our first rounder, there might not be room in the rotation for Frank Jackson or Diallo. I'd be happy to have them both back as well as Lee back, but most likely at least one of those 3 players won't be here next year. It does seem that DSJ is likely gone.

You need a 3rd string out of the rotation guy at each position pretty much for your 11 - 15 players, its just not always easy getting those guys on board unless they are second rounders, or vet minimum type players just looking for a deal with any team.

Casey does like his two PG backcourts though at times.
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Post#53 » by Billl » Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:28 pm

I don't think you judge any of our guys by fit with the current team or current system. It's not like most of this group and casey are going to be around at the end of the rebuild.
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Post#54 » by FloridaMan78 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:16 pm

Billl wrote:I don't think you judge any of our guys by fit with the current team or current system. It's not like most of this group and casey are going to be around at the end of the rebuild.


While I agree, they’ll probably have to pick one of them. And in this system Diallo looks like hot garbage and Frank Jackson looks like Superman. Hard to judge them on what they could be.

Diallo needs the ball in his hands to be effective and that’s not what’s happening. Frank Jackson can spot up and cut without the ball and he looks good.

Frank Jackson looked like garbage on the Pelicans because they had him playing point guard with the ball in his hands. Not his game. Diallo is playing without the ball and his defender is sagging and daring him to make the catch and shoot and he’s not taking it. Not his game.
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Post#55 » by Snakebites » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:16 pm

Yeah, it's starting to feel like Diallo is the classic case of a guy who needs the ball in his hands but isn't really good enough to warrant that- at least for the moment.

I still think there's a potential niche for him as a spark plug off the bench- a guy you hand the ball to when starters aren't in, but it feels like Josh Jackson would have the inside tract to that role in the long term, assuming we keep him around. And I say that as a guy who doesn't particularly like Josh Jackson. I'm HOPING we don't view him as a long term starter. And if Diallo isn't that for us, I'm not sure what he is.

Frank Jackson on the other hand could be a complementary piece off the bench. His skill set is more one that can fit into a variety of situations- and that's important.

It's not necessarily about fit in our current system- it's about portability.
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Post#56 » by Rodman » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:21 pm

I prefer Diallo as the backup point guard over Lee. The sticking point might be how much would it cost to keep him.
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Post#57 » by Snakebites » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:24 pm

Woah, Frank Jackson's True Shooting is 60% in 31 games. Perhaps not sustainable, but that's very high for a guy we picked up for free.

I knew he'd been pretty solid but that's impressive.
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Post#58 » by NYPiston » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:35 pm

Signing Frank Jackson is a no brainer I'd think especially for a team that lacks shooters. He's only 22 so he's absolutely worth a longer look. Could be that "Microwave" style bench scorer.
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Post#59 » by DBC10 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:41 pm

Snakebites wrote:Yeah, it's starting to feel like Diallo is the classic case of a guy who needs the ball in his hands but isn't really good enough to warrant that- at least for the moment.

I still think there's a potential niche for him as a spark plug off the bench- a guy you hand the ball to when starters aren't in, but it feels like Josh Jackson would have the inside tract to that role in the long term, assuming we keep him around. And I say that as a guy who doesn't particularly like Josh Jackson. I'm HOPING we don't view him as a long term starter. And if Diallo isn't that for us, I'm not sure what he is.

Frank Jackson on the other hand could be a complementary piece off the bench. His skill set is more one that can fit into a variety of situations- and that's important.

It's not necessarily about fit in our current system- it's about portability.


Does Diallo remind anyone of a touch of shade of Stuckey? Stuck was basically that, where he needed the ball in his hands to not be invisible out there, but never was good enough to warrant the kind of touches to get going full time. That and they both can't really shoot
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Post#60 » by 7r5ur » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:24 am

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Snakebites wrote:Yeah, it's starting to feel like Diallo is the classic case of a guy who needs the ball in his hands but isn't really good enough to warrant that- at least for the moment.

I still think there's a potential niche for him as a spark plug off the bench- a guy you hand the ball to when starters aren't in, but it feels like Josh Jackson would have the inside tract to that role in the long term, assuming we keep him around. And I say that as a guy who doesn't particularly like Josh Jackson. I'm HOPING we don't view him as a long term starter. And if Diallo isn't that for us, I'm not sure what he is.

Frank Jackson on the other hand could be a complementary piece off the bench. His skill set is more one that can fit into a variety of situations- and that's important.

It's not necessarily about fit in our current system- it's about portability.


Does Diallo remind anyone of a touch of shade of Stuckey? Stuck was basically that, where he needed the ball in his hands to not be invisible out there, but never was good enough to warrant the kind of touches to get going full time. That and they both can't really shoot


I find it interesting that in the first few games where he wasn't super familiar with the system and just "playing his game" he was really good. Now that he's had more time to get worked into Casey's offense he is struggling.

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