GAME 66 : Hornets @ Pistons 7PM

[DetroitSho]

I won't ever understand the choice to continuously defend a position despite overwhelming evidence/ reasoning to the contrary without at least considering it.

This is so bad.

This speaks volumes

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[vege]

I won't ever understand the choice to continuously defend a position despite overwhelming evidence/ reasoning to the contrary without at least considering it.

This is so bad.

Why is this bad?

I consider the contrary to be absolutely terrible.

If, in the face of overwhelming facts and reasoning to the contrary, you aren't willing to be introspective and at least consider the possibility that your perspective is off kilter then that is seriously, seriously tragic. I'm not suggesting that the outcome is that you end up switching stances. But to completely ignore what others are saying wholesale is just foolish.

The inability to be consistently reevaluating your position when new data or perspectives are presented is a huge problem right now; regardless of what your stance is on things.... (sorry, I won't speak further on this)

Which overwhelming facts? The guy said something bad about Killian Hayes (doesn't matter what he said, really, he should be free to say whatever he want)

The overwhelming facts are that fans overhype scrubs year after year, because they want that scrub to be the next big thing. Not long ago we had almost the entire board overhyping Brandon Knight and he was terrible.

This team is terrible, we don't have any good prospects, but if I dare to say that, I'll have people isultinng me. WTF.

Just because someone's opinion is different than yours, or the majority, doesn't mean he is wrong, no matter what. I mean look at the humanity history, applying your logic, we would still think earth is the center of the universe. People who said different died because of that.

Start thinking about things, let people say whatever they want, and accept that, even if you think that's stupid, the guy has the right to say and think whatever he want. This guy is not trolling, he is a Pistons fan, just like you, he want the team to win, as much as you do, but he see things different than you. Start being more tolerant. This is so dumb.

And FWIW you're right in your arguments, we are nowhere close to contention, so we should not start CoJo or another stop gap terrible PG, we should develop our young players, even if they're not that good, still like I said, just because the guy is saying somehting different doesn't mean he should be attacked, his opinion shouldn't be respected or he should change his opinion.

[Invictus88]

This is so bad.

Why is this bad?

I consider the contrary to be absolutely terrible.

If, in the face of overwhelming facts and reasoning to the contrary, you aren't willing to be introspective and at least consider the possibility that your perspective is off kilter then that is seriously, seriously tragic. I'm not suggesting that the outcome is that you end up switching stances. But to completely ignore what others are saying wholesale is just foolish.

The inability to be consistently reevaluating your position when new data or perspectives are presented is a huge problem right now; regardless of what your stance is on things.... (sorry, I won't speak further on this)

Which overwhelming facts? The guy said something bad about Killian Hayes (doesn't matter what he said, really, he should be free to say whatever he want)

The overwhelming facts are that fans overhype scrubs year after year, because they want that scrub to be the next big thing. Not long ago we had almost the entire board overhyping Brandon Knight and he was terrible.

This team is terrible, we don't have any good prospects, but if I dare to say that, I'll have people isultinng me. WTF.

Just because someone's opinion is different than yours, or the majority, doesn't mean he is wrong, no matter what. I mean look at the humanity history, applying your logic, we would still think earth is the center of the universe. People who said different died because of that.

Start thinking about things, let people say whatever they want, and accept that, even if you think that's stupid, the guy has the right to say and think whatever he want. This guy is not trolling, he is a Pistons fan, just like you, he want the team to win, as much as you do, but he see things different than you. Start being more tolerant. This is so dumb.

You're purposely pushing things to the extremes to try and justify your point. Nobody is suppressing information or opinions here.

However, following your own logic you should start being more tolerant of my opinion and other opposing opinions. Because as
Pistons fans we also want the team to win, just like you, but see things different than you.

My opinion just happened to be one of frustration at a perceived inability or lack of desire to want to reconsider whether the Pistons were rebuilding or trying to make it into the playoffs. I already admitted that my delivery could have been better; but I am perfectly within my right to be frustrated when in a discussion with someone that I believe to be purposely stubborn. There's no requirement that that person change viewpoints. But there's no requirement that I not be frustrated by it either.

If we aren't allowed to respond to opposing opinions with reasoning as to why we believe those viewpoints to be incorrect then what are we doing here?

I guess we can all start signing Kumbaya and Christmas carols now because we aren't allowed to disagree with one another. We should be more tolerant. (#usingthesamelametacticasabove)

P.S. I can see how this discussion hit a nerve with you; being a person who has been on the receiving end of one vs. many discussions on this board multiple times. I'm sorry that's the case but I really can't control what you or others decide to post; nor do I want to. As with everyone else take or leave what you see here. That's your right.

[Manocad]

This is so bad.

Why is this bad?

I consider the contrary to be absolutely terrible.

If, in the face of overwhelming facts and reasoning to the contrary, you aren't willing to be introspective and at least consider the possibility that your perspective is off kilter then that is seriously, seriously tragic. I'm not suggesting that the outcome is that you end up switching stances. But to completely ignore what others are saying wholesale is just foolish.

The inability to be consistently reevaluating your position when new data or perspectives are presented is a huge problem right now; regardless of what your stance is on things.... (sorry, I won't speak further on this)

Which overwhelming facts? The guy said something bad about Killian Hayes (doesn't matter what he said, really, he should be free to say whatever he want)

The overwhelming facts are that fans overhype scrubs year after year, because they want that scrub to be the next big thing. Not long ago we had almost the entire board overhyping Brandon Knight and he was terrible.

This team is terrible, we don't have any good prospects, but if I dare to say that, I'll have people isultinng me. WTF.

Just because someone's opinion is different than yours, or the majority, doesn't mean he is wrong, no matter what. I mean look at the humanity history, applying your logic, we would still think earth is the center of the universe. People who said different died because of that.

Start thinking about things, let people say whatever they want, and accept that, even if you think that's stupid, the guy has the right to say and think whatever he want. This guy is not trolling, he is a Pistons fan, just like you, he want the team to win, as much as you do, but he see things different than you. Start being more tolerant. This is so dumb.

And FWIW you're right in your arguments, we are nowhere close to contention, so we should not start CoJo or another stop gap terrible PG, we should develop our young players, even if they're not that good, still like I said, just because the guy is saying somehting different doesn't mean he should be attacked, his opinion shouldn't be respected or he should change his opinion.

The problem here is that you're not offering an opinion. "This team is terrible and we don't have any good prospects" is a statement of fact, not an opinion, thus it is 100% open to being called false using supporting evidence, and if you stick by that statement of fact without being able to justify it you're likely going to be disregarded at the very least and potentially insulted for just being stubborn, similar to what's being suggested in this case.

That being said, if you don't think Stewart and Bey are good prospects then I'm going to tell you that your definition of "good prospect" doesn't fit anyone else's. Like anyone, anywhere. "My opinion is that Bey and Stewart are not good prospects because Bey is weak on defense/has a one-dimensional offensive game shooting just 3's and Stewart doesn't have the ability to stretch the floor" is something that people may not agree with, but at least it's a statement that likely would only be criticized for being too harsh/extreme. See the difference there?

[vege]

P.S. I can see how this discussion hit a nerve with you; being a person who has been on the receiving end of one vs. many discussions on this board multiple times. I'm sorry that's the case but I really can't control what you or others decide to post; nor do I want to. As with everyone else take or leave what you see here. That's your right.

I am ok with you, so don't worry, and I think you understand what I am trying to say.

I am against tanking, I never attacked anyone who is pro tank since before we start doing that in previous seasons people wanted to tank, and I always argued without attack them, just showing why I was against it. So yeah, all I want is people to be more tolerant, we are here to discuss something we are passionated about, and that's great, what is not great is to be offesive or attack the other poster, just because he see thigns different.

Like I said, I agree with you in this argument, however, people can't be frustrated and attack the other guy, because you disagree with what he is sayig, even if he is wrong, that should be basic.

[vege]

That being said, if you don't think Stewart and Bey are good prospects then I'm going to tell you that your definition of "good prospect" doesn't fit anyone else's. Like anyone, anywhere. "My opinion is that Bey and Stewart are not good prospects because Bey is weak on defense/has a one-dimensional offensive game shooting just 3's and Stewart doesn't have the ability to stretch the floor" is something that people may not agree with, but at least it's a statement that likely would only be criticized for being too harsh/extreme. See the difference there?

Stewart has some huge flaws, he has a hard time catching a pass for example (Kwame Brown bad). I said before, he is a great energy big off the bench, I don't see him being better than that. That's not a good prospect imo.

Bey is my favorite player in this unwatchable team, but he is a borderline starter and I don't see him being much more than that. He has several limitations. He is much better than anybody anticipated tho, and I am happy we drafted him.

We have a bunch of players who will be NBA players. Saben Lee and Frank Jackson for example.

Good prospect imo is let's say, Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Fox, Ja, Lamelo. We don't have anyone with potential to be an all star, not even close. We have tier B or C prospects at best.

I mean I wouldn't be shocked if in 5 years no one from this roster wouldn't be on the team anymore, we don't have anyone who is relevant.

Perhaps instead of good prospects I should have said, building blocks, I don't know. And Perhaps istead of say this team is terrible, I should have said what I said in the last setece, you're probably right, sometimes I say something, and I think people will understand, but perhaps I should explain better what I mean.

[Manocad]

That being said, if you don't think Stewart and Bey are good prospects then I'm going to tell you that your definition of "good prospect" doesn't fit anyone else's. Like anyone, anywhere. "My opinion is that Bey and Stewart are not good prospects because Bey is weak on defense/has a one-dimensional offensive game shooting just 3's and Stewart doesn't have the ability to stretch the floor" is something that people may not agree with, but at least it's a statement that likely would only be criticized for being too harsh/extreme. See the difference there?

Stewart has some huge flaws, he has a hard time catching a pass for example (Kwame Brown bad). I said before, he is a great energy big off the bench, I don't see him being better than that. That's not a good prospect imo.

Bey is my favorite player in this unwatchable team, but he is a borderline starter and I don't see him being much more than that. He has several limitations. He is much better than anybody anticipated tho, and I am happy we drafted him.

We have a bunch of players who will be NBA players. Saben Lee and Frank Jackson for example.

Good prospect imo is let's say, Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Fox, Ja, Lamelo. We don't have anyone with potential to be an all star, not even close. We have tier B or C prospects at best.

I mean I wouldn't be shocked if in 5 years no one from this roster wouldn't be on the team anymore, we don't have anyone who is relevant.

Perhaps instead of good prospects I should have said, building blocks, I don't know. And Perhaps istead of say this team is terrible, I should have said what I said in the last setece, you're probably right, sometimes I say something, and I think people will understand, but perhaps I should explain better what I mean.

Now see, fleshed out in that manner I don't think anyone at all would jump on and start breaking balls. Just like I said, I think people would only call that assessment harsh/extreme, and maybe throw in something like "Dude...THEY'RE ROOKIES."

[vege]

That being said, if you don't think Stewart and Bey are good prospects then I'm going to tell you that your definition of "good prospect" doesn't fit anyone else's. Like anyone, anywhere. "My opinion is that Bey and Stewart are not good prospects because Bey is weak on defense/has a one-dimensional offensive game shooting just 3's and Stewart doesn't have the ability to stretch the floor" is something that people may not agree with, but at least it's a statement that likely would only be criticized for being too harsh/extreme. See the difference there?

Stewart has some huge flaws, he has a hard time catching a pass for example (Kwame Brown bad). I said before, he is a great energy big off the bench, I don't see him being better than that. That's not a good prospect imo.

Bey is my favorite player in this unwatchable team, but he is a borderline starter and I don't see him being much more than that. He has several limitations. He is much better than anybody anticipated tho, and I am happy we drafted him.

We have a bunch of players who will be NBA players. Saben Lee and Frank Jackson for example.

Good prospect imo is let's say, Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Fox, Ja, Lamelo. We don't have anyone with potential to be an all star, not even close. We have tier B or C prospects at best.

I mean I wouldn't be shocked if in 5 years no one from this roster wouldn't be on the team anymore, we don't have anyone who is relevant.

Perhaps instead of good prospects I should have said, building blocks, I don't know. And Perhaps istead of say this team is terrible, I should have said what I said in the last setece, you're probably right, sometimes I say something, and I think people will understand, but perhaps I should explain better what I mean.

Now see, fleshed out in that manner I don't think anyone at all would jump on and start breaking balls. Just like I said, I think people would only call that assessment harsh/extreme, and maybe throw in something like "Dude...THEY'RE ROOKIES."

I disagree, but point taken. Thanks.

[Pharaoh]

People on here typing about tolerance of opinions while they've added fellow Piston fans to the "foe" list...

That's gold

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[El Chivo]

People on here typing about tolerance of opinions while they've added fellow Piston fans to the "foe" list...

That's gold

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Plenty of people simply can't admit they were wrong, so they opt to embarrass themselves instead.

[bstein14]

Why do you keep saying this as if the Pistons are on the verge of making the playoffs? I think you're taking Grant's comments about them wanting to compete next season too literally. What else is he supposed to say? That's he's on board with another tank?

The fact of the matter is that next season is another development year so Hayes in all likelihood will be the starter to start the season then see where that takes him. I'm sure Weaver will add some free agents and hope that they make a push for a play in spot but I don't think his moves this offseason will be driven for the sole purpose of making the playoffs. It will be another development year most likely and Killian will be a big part of that for better or worse.

Like I said before I agree with this. If next year is a development year (tank year) Killian Hayes will be starting. If they are aiming for the playoffs Killian will be on the bench. I guess we’ll find out beginning of next year where the Pistons think they are.

Dude Killian Hayes will be the starting PG next season regardless.

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You can only gift a player minutes he isn't earning or deserving for so long before you have lockerroom issues. When you are trying to make the playoffs and you are losing things can turn south real quick. Hayes is far from being guaranteed a 24+mpg starting role next season.

[DetroitSho]

People on here typing about tolerance of opinions while they've added fellow Piston fans to the "foe" list...

That's gold

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Not only that but consistently calling the GM (Please Use More Appropriate Word), amongst other names.

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