My Dream Off-season

[DBC10]

What kind of offers would you expect for Grant?

I'm not sold on dealing him but obviously if the right offer came along I'd be cool with it.

I just don't think we'll get a crazy overpay for him.

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Grant is part of the culture change and is always going to have more value at the trade deadline than middle of the season. There will be a team at the deadline that feels that they are close but needs a guy who can defend players like Tatum, Giannis, Butler, Durant, etc and they will give up some picks and younger talent for a guy like Grant. I could see Philly being very likely because Tobias is very below average in the defensive department. In the West, a few teams could see Grant as the piece that pushes them over including Utah.

If we land a top pick I'm all for keeping Grant and pushing for the playoffs, but if we're picking 5th or 6th I think we need to seriously look at moving Grant and Plumlee and accept the fact the rebuild will take a bit longer for us. Really use the year to keep developing the younger guys.

The dream obviously is landing the first pick

But even if we dont - trading with Golden State is my pick if they cant get Beal from Washington

Grant/Plumlee for Wiseman-Wiggins-#6

Golden State turns Wiggins into Grant, a huge upgrade at the SF position and picks up Plumlee, another starter caliber player on a cap friendly deal

Pistons take on Wiggins deal for the #2 (Wiseman) and #6 picks

Killian / Lee
Pistons Draft Pick 2021 / Josh Jackson / Sirvydis
Bey / Wiggins / Sekou
Stewart / #6
Okafor / Wiseman

We re-sign Saben Lee to back up Killian and tank with that roster for another top 5 pick

Fairly sure they are keeping Wiggins. And I'm not sure Grant is a huge upgrade over him especially looking at this season. Both produced basically the same statlines except Wiggins may be a tad bit more efficient. If we're talking contract wise, yes, Grant is better in that regard however

I'd be surprised to see them make a huge move since they just need a few more capable role players around Curry, Klay, and Draymond instead of guys like Poole and an aging Bazemore

[Pharaoh]

GS have to decide between insane luxury taxes and contending for titles.

They have the assets to land a major fish if they choose.

Think Grant isn't what they'd be looking for though

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[Canadafan]

I don't think Cade looks to be a guaranteed superstar like a Lebron, Jordan, etc. and even I wouldn't take the risk of trading him away then watching him blow up. Even if he doesn't blow up no one is going to be criticized for taking him, period.

On a painful kinda related side note, that's why I hate when people try to play revisionist history with Darko and criticize Dumars for the pick. For those of use who were there, there was no debate whatsoever--and I mean NONE--that Darko and Lebron were going 1 and 2, with the majority thinking Lebron should go 1 but PLENTY of people suggesting Darko should.

Honestly, I don't remember that at all. I remember Dumars falling in love with Darko, and then others subsequently following his cue (because Joe was a widely respected GM at that time). Once the Pistons (Grizz) drew the #2 spot at the lottery, there was a month of hype around Darko leading up to the draft. But if any other team had drawn #2, we wouldn't have heard much about Darko at all. Not in that spot. And certainly not at #1. Lebron & Carmelo were the guys. I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it.

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Well, you don't remember it right. They polled GM's prior to the draft, who they would pick at #2 and it was practically unanimous that Darko was the pick, Melo had 3 votes, that's it! There was also a workout with Darko, attended by Dumars, LB, Will Robinson etc. Darko tore it up and subsequently got Robinson's approval, as well as LB. LB is a disingenuous vagabond, who will always try to put himself in a better light. That's his track record. Immediately after The Malace at The Palace, he started orchestrating his departure.

Ya, I remember Will Robinson having a big impact on the Darko decision. Would luv to find the quote but he basically said Darko was going to dominate the league and we'd have to build a statue for him or something along those lines

[Pharaoh]

Bringing back the Darko trauma full force but I'd like to believe scouting is a lot different these days.

2003 was a long, long **** time ago

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[ducler]

Now that we won the first pick, we can try to predict Troy's offseason plan.

1. Draft
Cade will be the first pick, but will he attack the rest of the Draft like he did last year? I can see us trading for an additional mid-late FRP and keep only one SRP.
Positions of need are C and SF.
I assume the SRP will be a 2WP like Saben last year.

2. Bringing back our guys
Our FA we should look to re-sign: F.Jackson, Diallo.

3. Free Agency
If we assume that Weaver will follow the same logic than last offseason, he will look to have at least 4 or 5 vets on the roster to mentor the youngsters.
Plumlee and Grant should be the keepers out of last year's vets, Joseph and McGruder likely goners due to their contracts, Ellington is a FA.
Biggest need will be a vet PG to mentor both Hayes and Lee: Ish Smith, Jeff Teague, Cory Joseph can fill that role. Smith would be my choice.
Then we'll need a vet wing or 2: I can see us bringing back Wayne Ellington, Kelly Olynyk and James Johnson can be options too. Johnson would be my pick.

So that makes a 16-guys roster with 1 of the rookies as a 2-way contract.
Stewart/Plumlee/FRP or SRP
Grant/Sekou/J.Johnson
Bey/J.Jackson/FRP or SRP/Sirvydis
Cunningham/F.Jackson/Diallo
Hayes/Smith/Lee

I've not found a slot for Cook and I assumed Okafor would be waived.

[Pharaoh]

Now that we won the first pick, we can try to predict Troy's offseason plan.

1. Draft
Cade will be the first pick, but will he attack the rest of the Draft like he did last year? I can see us trading for an additional mid-late FRP and keep only one SRP.
Positions of need are C and SF.
I assume the SRP will be a 2WP like Saben last year.

2. Bringing back our guys
Our FA we should look to re-sign: F.Jackson, Diallo.

3. Free Agency
If we assume that Weaver will follow the same logic than last offseason, he will look to have at least 4 or 5 vets on the roster to mentor the youngsters.
Plumlee and Grant should be the keepers out of last year's vets, Joseph and McGruder likely goners due to their contracts, Ellington is a FA.
Biggest need will be a vet PG to mentor both Hayes and Lee: Ish Smith, Jeff Teague, Cory Joseph can fill that role. Smith would be my choice.
Then we'll need a vet wing or 2: I can see us bringing back Wayne Ellington, Kelly Olynyk and James Johnson can be options too. Johnson would be my pick.

So that makes a 16-guys roster with 1 of the rookies as a 2-way contract.
Stewart/Plumlee/FRP or SRP
Grant/Sekou/J.Johnson
Bey/J.Jackson/FRP or SRP/Sirvydis
Cunningham/F.Jackson/Diallo
Hayes/Smith/Lee

I've not found a slot for Cook and I assumed Okafor would be waived.

Think the adding of vets won't be done although I could see Ellington back over Diallo simply due to costs.

Hayes - Lee
Cade - Frank Jackson - Ellington
Bey - JJ - Sirvy
Grant - Sekou - Cook
Stewart - Plumlee - Okafor

Assume our last 2nd was a Euro stash.

Assume 37 & 42 were dealt to land another 1st

That gives us a 15 man roster.

Maybe Cook and Lee are the 2 way guys this coming season which opens us roster spots for a 1 year bloated deal for Diallo and a vet PG free agent?

Not sure why many assume Okafor won't be back - we might not think much of him but he's still a minimum deal

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[FloridaMan78]

Yea the vet thing is annoying, but I think is inevitable, yuck. 3 days to cut Cojo, I’m scared. Ellington is better money wise but just as scary lol.

As long as we preserve 2022 cap space I’m good. Frank Jacskon and Saben Lee on decent contracts. Maybe Diallo, but if it’s long term at 10 mil I’ll throw up. Main thing is please don’t sign or trade anyone that touches our 2022 cap space. 2022 is time to aim high and get big time free agents. Forget fringe players, that’s time to sign all stars.

Here’s Dwayne Casey talking about vets and drafting Cade (without actually saying it)

Watch on YouTube

[chrbal]

I've not found a slot for Cook and I assumed Okafor would be waived. Think the adding of vets won't be done although I could see Ellington back over Diallo simply due to costs.

Maybe Cook and Lee are the 2 way guys this coming season which opens us roster spots for a 1 year bloated deal for Diallo and a vet PG free agent?

Not sure why many assume Okafor won't be back - we might not think much of him but he's still a minimum deal

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Cook could be a two way contract, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see a roster spot come down to Cook or Okafor.

Okafor just kind of seems redundant with other veteran bigs on the roster.