Godfather Offer from Houston? Do you take it?

[Pharaoh]

In reality the best offer Houston likely makes is returning our pick + #2 for #1.

IF our FO believes Cade and Mobley (or Green) are of equal value you take the deal.

That said it does appear Cade is the pick.

Lotto night video where someone says Detroit is one thing - him working out and someone saying Detroit Basketball is another!

You can't tell me he hasn't had a call from our FO since the Lotto draw. And tbh I'd want his camo to stop the Detroit stuff if I wasn't certain of taking him if only to avoid negative PR when the time comes.

The choice has been made and was likely made the instant we landed at #1 & not #2-#6

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[SamFlow]

all this talk has me thinking about James wiseman.... I don't see involving the one.... but for winning, Grant and Plumlee and Josh, would be perfect additions for golden state in efforts to win. --- James wiseman and well wiggins keep him or trade him and 14th pick. Gives them a better chance at winning and just imagine Detroits Roster.

James Wiseman/?
Beef Stew/wiggins/sekou
Bey/wiggins
cade or green/HD
Hayes/frank

Pluse 14 and later picks. ---

[The Moose]

In reality the best offer Houston likely makes is returning our pick + #2 for #1.

IF our FO believes Cade and Mobley (or Green) are of equal value you take the deal.

That said it does appear Cade is the pick.

Lotto night video where someone says Detroit is one thing - him working out and someone saying Detroit Basketball is another!

You can't tell me he hasn't had a call from our FO since the Lotto draw. And tbh I'd want his camo to stop the Detroit stuff if I wasn't certain of taking him if only to avoid negative PR when the time comes.

The choice has been made and was likely made the instant we landed at #1 & not #2-#6

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Weavers interview on the radio today was pretty straight forward too, especially for Troy

[Pharaoh]

In reality the best offer Houston likely makes is returning our pick + #2 for #1.

IF our FO believes Cade and Mobley (or Green) are of equal value you take the deal.

That said it does appear Cade is the pick.

Lotto night video where someone says Detroit is one thing - him working out and someone saying Detroit Basketball is another!

You can't tell me he hasn't had a call from our FO since the Lotto draw. And tbh I'd want his camo to stop the Detroit stuff if I wasn't certain of taking him if only to avoid negative PR when the time comes.

The choice has been made and was likely made the instant we landed at #1 & not #2-#6

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Weavers interview on the radio today was pretty straight forward too, especially for Troy

Link?

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[The Moose]

In reality the best offer Houston likely makes is returning our pick + #2 for #1.

IF our FO believes Cade and Mobley (or Green) are of equal value you take the deal.

That said it does appear Cade is the pick.

Lotto night video where someone says Detroit is one thing - him working out and someone saying Detroit Basketball is another!

You can't tell me he hasn't had a call from our FO since the Lotto draw. And tbh I'd want his camo to stop the Detroit stuff if I wasn't certain of taking him if only to avoid negative PR when the time comes.

The choice has been made and was likely made the instant we landed at #1 & not #2-#6

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Weavers interview on the radio today was pretty straight forward too, especially for Troy

Link?

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[Pharaoh]

all this talk has me thinking about James wiseman.... I don't see involving the one.... but for winning, Grant and Plumlee and Josh, would be perfect additions for golden state in efforts to win. --- James wiseman and well wiggins keep him or trade him and 14th pick. Gives them a better chance at winning and just imagine Detroits Roster.

James Wiseman/?
Beef Stew/wiggins/sekou
Bey/wiggins
cade or green/HD
Hayes/frank

Pluse 14 and later picks. ---

You do realise that Wiggins would seriously impact our 2022 free agency and inhibit our ability to surround our core kids right?

Any player can be traded but I do believe this FO had a plan in place the minute Weaver arrived and 2022 free agency is a significant part of that.

Hayes, Lee
Cade, Frank Jackson
Bey,
Grant, Sekou
Stewart, Plumlee

Add our 2nds or another 2021 first to that group.

Add a 2022 Lotto pick to that group

We're still looking at approx 50 mil in cap space.

By the start of free agency we could be viewed as the "next" rising team, depending on how the kids have played.

I'd rather not destroy that hope by trading Grant, Plumlee, JJ for Wiggins, Wiseman and #14

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[SamFlow]

all this talk has me thinking about James wiseman.... I don't see involving the one.... but for winning, Grant and Plumlee and Josh, would be perfect additions for golden state in efforts to win. --- James wiseman and well wiggins keep him or trade him and 14th pick. Gives them a better chance at winning and just imagine Detroits Roster.

James Wiseman/?
Beef Stew/wiggins/sekou
Bey/wiggins
cade or green/HD
Hayes/frank

Pluse 14 and later picks. ---

You do realise that Wiggins would seriously impact our 2022 free agency and inhibit our ability to surround our core kids right?

Any player can be traded but I do believe this FO had a plan in place the minute Weaver arrived and 2022 free agency is a significant part of that.

Hayes, Lee
Cade, Frank Jackson
Bey,
Grant, Sekou
Stewart, Plumlee

Add our 2nds or another 2021 first to that group.

Add a 2022 Lotto pick to that group

We're still looking at approx 50 mil in cap space.

By the start of free agency we could be viewed as the "next" rising team, depending on how the kids have played.

I'd rather not destroy that hope by trading Grant, Plumlee, JJ for Wiggins, Wiseman and #14

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the hope would be to flip him somewhere else for cap space, pretty much.

[Pharaoh]

Then make it a 3 team deal since I'd rather have it locked in than assume we can do it after the fact.

Personally I'd rather keep Grant, Plumlee and JJ than assume Wiseman, Wiggins and 14.

This fascination with constantly trading or switching major pieces at every opportunity boggles my mind.

In a ideal world we keep Grant and acquire another guy just like him via free agency. Not sure we can get that kind of space this off-season but I know it's waiting for us in 2022

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[chrbal]

I honestly believe that the Pistons could land another really high draft pick if they package all the 2nd rounders, a future first, and a player, without having to trade #1 to do it. How high is another question, but I do believe it possible.

The real deal here, should be, is it worth it to move a player to try and land another lottery pick this year? This is a loaded draft, and if its possible, maybe we look into that. How high could a package of Grant, 3 2nds, and a future first land us, and if its even worth it?

Never move the 1st

Try to use 1 or 2 seconds and cap space to absorb a contract and get into the first.

Yeah the last time someone did that it went so bad.
Boston trading 1 for Philly's 3 (Fultz and Tatum) plus a future 1st or 2.

Oh wait , maybe it could work.

The true answer is you never say never and workout/evaluate all prospects to the fullest to determine your game plan.

For the pistons, with the history and need, there is no point to moving the first. Is that better?

Detroit would need an insane offer coming back. I can’t see any team doing that unless the Thunder are desperate to add Cade. And unless they make a previous trade with Cleveland or Houston, they don’t have the centerpiece pick to make it happen.

I’m not taking their three 1sts as the highlight of an offer.

[DetroitDon15]

Houston can add picks

Wood can be re-routed

This gets us the #2 and KPJ which is better than our other alternative #6 and SGA

I don’t understand why you think that you think that we have to move the pick?

Yeah, the alternative I prefer is keeping Cade.

Establishing that one offer is better than another doesn't do anything for me.

I agree. It seems to be understood by a lot of people that since Weaver has the pick, he will trade it. Plus, he will look to move it regardless if the overall value is there or not. I think that he will consider a deal that move the franchise forward. However, I can’t think of one solid deal to be made that helps the Pistons now and in the future over taking Cade at this time. Maybe a rumor floats out that proves me wrong but I don’t see that happening.

[The Moose]

I don’t understand why you think that you think that we have to move the pick?

Yeah, the alternative I prefer is keeping Cade.

Establishing that one offer is better than another doesn't do anything for me.

I agree. It seems to be understood by a lot of people that since Weaver has the pick, he will trade it. Plus, he will look to move it regardless if the overall value is there or not. I think that he will consider a deal that move the franchise forward. However, I can’t think of one solid deal to be made that helps the Pistons now and in the future over taking Cade at this time. Maybe a rumor floats out that proves me wrong but I don’t see that happening.

Casey was talking in an interview earlier today or yesterday about how many season tickets were purchased the night of the lottery. For a team that has been in our position for the past decade or so, that sort of thing can't be understated.

I just can't see anyway Weaver would trade the pick for anything outside of SUPERstar with a huge name that would bring in a huge amount of fans aka Lillard or Doncic etc (neither of which will happen).
So many of these hypotheticals that are being thrown around include future draft picks as the main compensation.
However he has never shown to be draft pick collector at all, he's traded our future firsts for years down the line, and we have sent out many 2nd round picks into the future. Additionally, we almost have certainly had opportunities to take on salary for future draft picks and Weaver has yet to make any move in that direction.

It would be very out of character for Weaver to trade this pick for future draft picks and because of that it's almost impossible that the pick is traded imo.

[Pharaoh]

Yeah, the alternative I prefer is keeping Cade.

Establishing that one offer is better than another doesn't do anything for me.

I agree. It seems to be understood by a lot of people that since Weaver has the pick, he will trade it. Plus, he will look to move it regardless if the overall value is there or not. I think that he will consider a deal that move the franchise forward. However, I can’t think of one solid deal to be made that helps the Pistons now and in the future over taking Cade at this time. Maybe a rumor floats out that proves me wrong but I don’t see that happening.

Casey was talking in an interview earlier today or yesterday about how many season tickets were purchased the night of the lottery. For a team that has been in our position for the past decade or so, that sort of thing can't be understated.

I just can't see anyway Weaver would trade the pick for anything outside of SUPERstar with a huge name that would bring in a huge amount of fans aka Lillard or Doncic etc (neither of which will happen).
So many of these hypotheticals that are being thrown around include future draft picks as the main compensation.
However he has never shown to be draft pick collector at all, he's traded our future firsts for years down the line, and we have sent out many 2nd round picks into the future. [b]Additionally, we almost have certainly had opportunities to take on salary for future draft picks and Weaver has yet to make any move in that direction.[/]

It would be very out of character for Weaver to trade this pick for future draft picks and because of that it's almost impossible that the pick is traded imo.

Link to article supporting the bold.

No offense but there seems to be this belief that every team that has room under the tax line gets offered a future first to take on a "bad" contract and I just don't believe it to be true.

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[The Moose]

I agree. It seems to be understood by a lot of people that since Weaver has the pick, he will trade it. Plus, he will look to move it regardless if the overall value is there or not. I think that he will consider a deal that move the franchise forward. However, I can’t think of one solid deal to be made that helps the Pistons now and in the future over taking Cade at this time. Maybe a rumor floats out that proves me wrong but I don’t see that happening.

Casey was talking in an interview earlier today or yesterday about how many season tickets were purchased the night of the lottery. For a team that has been in our position for the past decade or so, that sort of thing can't be understated.

I just can't see anyway Weaver would trade the pick for anything outside of SUPERstar with a huge name that would bring in a huge amount of fans aka Lillard or Doncic etc (neither of which will happen).
So many of these hypotheticals that are being thrown around include future draft picks as the main compensation.
However he has never shown to be draft pick collector at all, he's traded our future firsts for years down the line, and we have sent out many 2nd round picks into the future. [b]Additionally, we almost have certainly had opportunities to take on salary for future draft picks and Weaver has yet to make any move in that direction.[/]

It would be very out of character for Weaver to trade this pick for future draft picks and because of that it's almost impossible that the pick is traded imo.

Link to article supporting the bold.

No offense but there seems to be this belief that every team that has room under the tax line gets offered a future first to take on a "bad" contract and I just don't believe it to be true.

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Why would there be a link to substantiate that? I would assume that it’s usually on the team with cap space to initiate a deal like that in the first place. If we didn’t want to make those deals, we wouldn’t be initiating them, which is my point.

My thinking is that we had the space last off season, there is no reason we couldn’t have went the OKC route. At the time, this is what I wanted Weaver to be doing. I’m glad we didn’t because I’m starting to realise I’m not a believer in collecting a bunch of mid round first picks.

[tradez401]

No...I don't want C.Wood back on the Pistons he didn't want to stay here so why bring him back?

[Pharaoh]

Casey was talking in an interview earlier today or yesterday about how many season tickets were purchased the night of the lottery. For a team that has been in our position for the past decade or so, that sort of thing can't be understated.

I just can't see anyway Weaver would trade the pick for anything outside of SUPERstar with a huge name that would bring in a huge amount of fans aka Lillard or Doncic etc (neither of which will happen).
So many of these hypotheticals that are being thrown around include future draft picks as the main compensation.
However he has never shown to be draft pick collector at all, he's traded our future firsts for years down the line, and we have sent out many 2nd round picks into the future. [b]Additionally, we almost have certainly had opportunities to take on salary for future draft picks and Weaver has yet to make any move in that direction.[/]

It would be very out of character for Weaver to trade this pick for future draft picks and because of that it's almost impossible that the pick is traded imo.

Link to article supporting the bold.

No offense but there seems to be this belief that every team that has room under the tax line gets offered a future first to take on a "bad" contract and I just don't believe it to be true.

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Why would there be a link to substantiate that? I would assume that it’s usually on the team with cap space to initiate a deal like that in the first place. If we didn’t want to make those deals, we wouldn’t be initiating them, which is my point.

My thinking is that we had the space last off season, there is no reason we couldn’t have went the OKC route. At the time, this is what I wanted Weaver to be doing. I’m glad we didn’t because I’m starting to realise I’m not a believer in collecting a bunch of mid round first picks.

I just think this idea of absorbing bad contracts into space for first(s) is overblown and doesn't happen as often as some would have you believe.

Cap space is nice but I'd prefer using it to acquire players you believe might be able to become part of your core moving forward or for signing vets on short bloated deals to assist in the development of your core.

Bad contracts are bad contracts. Some unknown Draft pick a year or 2 down the road isn't as valuable as some would have you believe.

And it's certainly not as valuable as 2 or 3 pieces you signed with that space who may or may not help or become your core

War chests are overrated IMO

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[The Moose]

Link to article supporting the bold.

No offense but there seems to be this belief that every team that has room under the tax line gets offered a future first to take on a "bad" contract and I just don't believe it to be true.

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Why would there be a link to substantiate that? I would assume that it’s usually on the team with cap space to initiate a deal like that in the first place. If we didn’t want to make those deals, we wouldn’t be initiating them, which is my point.

My thinking is that we had the space last off season, there is no reason we couldn’t have went the OKC route. At the time, this is what I wanted Weaver to be doing. I’m glad we didn’t because I’m starting to realise I’m not a believer in collecting a bunch of mid round first picks.

I just think this idea of absorbing bad contracts into space for first(s) is overblown and doesn't happen as often as some would have you believe.

Cap space is nice but I'd prefer using it to acquire players you believe might be able to become part of your core moving forward or for signing vets on short bloated deals to assist in the development of your core.

Bad contracts are bad contracts. Some unknown Draft pick a year or 2 down the road isn't as valuable as some would have you believe.

And it's certainly not as valuable as 2 or 3 pieces you signed with that space who may or may not help or become your core

War chests are overrated IMO

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Agreed that the 'war chest' idea is overrated, which is basically what I'm saying Weaver's perspective seems to be, as he chose an alternative route with our cap space. Although I was firmly in that 'war chest' camp not long ago. But seeing how Boston basically squandered the war chest they had outside of the 2 top 3 picks they got. None of the other picks they collected really amounted to anything and lost significant value once the pick was actually made.

Looking at Weaver's history with us, he traded our future 1st round pick 6 years into the future for a 1st round pick in the present draft (at the time), and has traded several future 2nd round picks.
This why my opinion is that any trade offers that involve moving down in the draft by acquiring future draft picks is DOA for Weaver, and I personally hope thats the way he feels

[Pharaoh]

Why would there be a link to substantiate that? I would assume that it’s usually on the team with cap space to initiate a deal like that in the first place. If we didn’t want to make those deals, we wouldn’t be initiating them, which is my point.

My thinking is that we had the space last off season, there is no reason we couldn’t have went the OKC route. At the time, this is what I wanted Weaver to be doing. I’m glad we didn’t because I’m starting to realise I’m not a believer in collecting a bunch of mid round first picks.

I just think this idea of absorbing bad contracts into space for first(s) is overblown and doesn't happen as often as some would have you believe.

Cap space is nice but I'd prefer using it to acquire players you believe might be able to become part of your core moving forward or for signing vets on short bloated deals to assist in the development of your core.

Bad contracts are bad contracts. Some unknown Draft pick a year or 2 down the road isn't as valuable as some would have you believe.

And it's certainly not as valuable as 2 or 3 pieces you signed with that space who may or may not help or become your core

War chests are overrated IMO

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Agreed that the 'war chest' idea is overrated, which is basically what I'm saying Weaver's perspective seems to be, as he chose an alternative route with our cap space. Although I was firmly in that 'war chest' camp not long ago. But seeing how Boston basically squandered the war chest they had outside of the 2 top 3 picks they got. None of the other picks they collected really amounted to anything and lost significant value once the pick was actually made.

Looking at Weaver's history with us, he traded our future 1st round pick 6 years into the future for a 1st round pick in the present draft (at the time), and has traded several future 2nd round picks.
This why my opinion is that any trade offers that involve moving down in the draft by acquiring future draft picks is DOA for Weaver, and I personally hope thats the way he feels

Can't see him trading down unless it's to 2 or 3 and he can get his guy and a extra asset (Tatum/Fultz, Luka/Trae)

After 12 months on the job I think Weaver has a clear idea of who he wants to get and then does what needs to be done to get them.

He wanted Stewart. Houston wanted more than a protected first so he took Ariza into space.

Obviously didn't want Ariza, which is why he was re-routed for Wright immediately.

Seems he's not only aggressive but has a long list of "his" guys already in mind and can pivot ASAP when the opportunity is right there for him, like we saw when he acquired Bey after already acquiring Stewart the same day.

It seems some people believe moves are done in a vacuum but that's just not the case.

As our FO was making calls to land Stewart they were also doing the same thing to land Bey!

They wanted both and likely called every team drafting 10-20 attempting to make a deal and/or ascertain who those teams were looking to Draft so they could make their pitch.

After all, there's a reason Bey was selected 19th and not 16th.

Despite the weird trading and stretching given what we've seen in the last 12 months it appears Weaver and his FO know precisely what they're doing!

FYI & BTW: The first player acquired by Weaver is gone. And so is the first executive he hired too.

Suggests he's not one to hold on to people if it's not working out.

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