Who do we target with our $18 million of cap space?

[zeebneeb]

We could have maybe done a John Wall trade that made sense if we didn't buy out Blake.

We got no salaries to match in a Wall trade now.

Yup. Honestly I don't know how you make this trade without giving up something stupid.

Gotta be fake or smoke screen leverage for another trade. Maybe Ben Simmons? Grant, Hayes, Josh Jackson for Simmons works.

I have given adding Ben Simmons a ton of thought, and I think I would be lukewarm with it. It would be interesting to see how it would work out.

Problem i have with it, is i want to see what kind of player Cade is first. One full season of him playing so you can properly evaluate him, and what he's capable of. How does he do that with Simmons on the team?

Simmons is a damn good player, with a fatal flaw.

[kpt]

The whole Wall thing would need to come with pickS coming back to us that is for sure. I dont know a ton about Simmons other than he can't shoot and the rest of his game is good statistically which could be like Dre was in not being crucial in playoff basketball because his lack of shooting as we saw last playoffs for 76ers. (I know some of you will go off on me for this) Most interested teams have a theory that if you surround him with 4 shooters it wouldnt matter...theory. The other aspect of Simmons is what do we have that we could give for him. I expect Grant and at least one of our young players must be involved. Which I dont love.

[Snakebites]

The whole Wall thing would need to come with pickS coming back to us that is for sure. I dont know a ton about Simmons other than he can't shoot and the rest of his game is good statistically which could be like Dre was in not being crucial in playoff basketball because his lack of shooting as we saw last playoffs for 76ers. (I know some of you will go off on me for this) Most interested teams have a theory that if you surround him with 4 shooters it wouldnt matter...theory. The other aspect of Simmons is what do we have that we could give for him. I expect Grant and at least one of our young players must be involved. Which I dont love.

Dre and Simmons are nothing alike- Simmons is a legit talented playmaker and defender.

That said, he makes a TON of money and has what appears to be a prohibitive flaw for a primary offensive mover. I’d be shy on a deal for him.

[Drwho17]

Not sure how the Pistons take on Wall, have to be a whole lot of incentives for that, BG's contract was bad, Wall's is worse, 2 more years. Not sure either what Houston needs to dump him for anyway, he will be hurt most of the time anyway, and they aren't going to get positive value by moving him anyway, best just do buy him out if you don't want him around, rather then spend assets to get rid of him.

[FloridaMan78]

Yup. Honestly I don't know how you make this trade without giving up something stupid.

Gotta be fake or smoke screen leverage for another trade. Maybe Ben Simmons? Grant, Hayes, Josh Jackson for Simmons works.

I have given adding Ben Simmons a ton of thought, and I think I would be lukewarm with it. It would be interesting to see how it would work out.

Problem i have with it, is i want to see what kind of player Cade is first. One full season of him playing so you can properly evaluate him, and what he's capable of. How does he do that with Simmons on the team?

Simmons is a damn good player, with a fatal flaw.

It would be an experiment. Simmons is a bad fit with Embid. Definitely need a ton of shooting around Simmons. It would take the ball out of Cade’s hands a bit but that might not be such a bad thing. Cade would still need to be the closer because of Simmons free throw shooting.

Getting a two time all NBA defensive first team player that’s 25 would be nice. We could also go into next season with Cade/Simmons/Bey/Stewart and cap space for another max player.

[Snakebites]

Gotta be fake or smoke screen leverage for another trade. Maybe Ben Simmons? Grant, Hayes, Josh Jackson for Simmons works.

I have given adding Ben Simmons a ton of thought, and I think I would be lukewarm with it. It would be interesting to see how it would work out.

Problem i have with it, is i want to see what kind of player Cade is first. One full season of him playing so you can properly evaluate him, and what he's capable of. How does he do that with Simmons on the team?

Simmons is a damn good player, with a fatal flaw.

It would be an experiment. Simmons is a bad fit with Embid. Definitely need a ton of shooting around Simmons. It would take the ball out of Cade’s hands a bit but that might not be such a bad thing. Cade would still need to be the closer because of Simmons free throw shooting.

Getting a two time all NBA defensive first team player that’s 25 would be nice. We could also go into next season with Cade/Simmons/Bey/Stewart and cap space for another max player.

Concern I have now is that Simmons’ scoring game now goes beyond concerns of fit- he may be fundamentally inconsistent with a successful playoff team.

[FloridaMan78]

I have given adding Ben Simmons a ton of thought, and I think I would be lukewarm with it. It would be interesting to see how it would work out.

Problem i have with it, is i want to see what kind of player Cade is first. One full season of him playing so you can properly evaluate him, and what he's capable of. How does he do that with Simmons on the team?

Simmons is a damn good player, with a fatal flaw.

It would be an experiment. Simmons is a bad fit with Embid. Definitely need a ton of shooting around Simmons. It would take the ball out of Cade’s hands a bit but that might not be such a bad thing. Cade would still need to be the closer because of Simmons free throw shooting.

Getting a two time all NBA defensive first team player that’s 25 would be nice. We could also go into next season with Cade/Simmons/Bey/Stewart and cap space for another max player.

Concern I have now is that Simmons’ scoring game now goes beyond concerns of fit- he may be fundamentally inconsistent with a successful playoff team.

No doubt Simmons is an offensive liability, to the point of having to be taking out. So was Ben Wallace. If there's any city that would accept his faults Detroit would be one of them as long as he played his heart out.

I personally want to see what we have and roll with it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Weaver is trying for a Simmons trade. I just couldn't see why we were in rumors for Wall, that makes zero sense.

[440BB]

The Pistons dealing for Wall is ridiculous. Just an attempt by Houston to drum up some interest, I expect.

[bstein14]

The Pistons dealing for Wall is ridiculous. Just an attempt by Houston to drum up some interest, I expect.

Jerami Grant and Killian Hayes isn't even enough salary to make the deal work. We'd have to add a third player like Josh Jackson just to get there.

Houston would have to trade us 3 unprotected future firsts for me to make that deal.... two wouldn't be enough.

Wall will eventually end up being bought out by Houston at the deadline most likely so they can focus on the rebuild. No chance we waste all our cap space next year taking on that **** deal.

[Snakebites]

It would be an experiment. Simmons is a bad fit with Embid. Definitely need a ton of shooting around Simmons. It would take the ball out of Cade’s hands a bit but that might not be such a bad thing. Cade would still need to be the closer because of Simmons free throw shooting.

Getting a two time all NBA defensive first team player that’s 25 would be nice. We could also go into next season with Cade/Simmons/Bey/Stewart and cap space for another max player.

Concern I have now is that Simmons’ scoring game now goes beyond concerns of fit- he may be fundamentally inconsistent with a successful playoff team.

No doubt Simmons is an offensive liability, to the point of having to be taking out. So was Ben Wallace. If there's any city that would accept his faults Detroit would be one of them as long as he played his heart out.

I personally want to see what we have and roll with it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Weaver is trying for a Simmons trade. I just couldn't see why we were in rumors for Wall, that makes zero sense.

The difference between Wallace and Simmons is that a part of Simmons value is his playmaking- his ability to initiate offense. Having a defensive anchor big who can’t have the ball is one thing. Having a key hub in your offense who cant score and won’t even take a shot is another matter entirely.

[chrbal]

It would be an experiment. Simmons is a bad fit with Embid. Definitely need a ton of shooting around Simmons. It would take the ball out of Cade’s hands a bit but that might not be such a bad thing. Cade would still need to be the closer because of Simmons free throw shooting.

Getting a two time all NBA defensive first team player that’s 25 would be nice. We could also go into next season with Cade/Simmons/Bey/Stewart and cap space for another max player.

Concern I have now is that Simmons’ scoring game now goes beyond concerns of fit- he may be fundamentally inconsistent with a successful playoff team.

No doubt Simmons is an offensive liability, to the point of having to be taking out. So was Ben Wallace. If there's any city that would accept his faults Detroit would be one of them as long as he played his heart out.

I personally want to see what we have and roll with it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Weaver is trying for a Simmons trade. I just couldn't see why we were in rumors for Wall, that makes zero sense.

I get the reasoning, but Ben Simmons and Ben Wallace have so little in common. Wallace was an offensive liability who excelled elsewhere, Simmons is an offensive liability who excels elsewhere but is almost afraid to shoot and draw fouls.

The $30 some million plus per year over the next 4 for him isn’t worth the chance he gets it together.

[FloridaMan78]

Concern I have now is that Simmons’ scoring game now goes beyond concerns of fit- he may be fundamentally inconsistent with a successful playoff team.

No doubt Simmons is an offensive liability, to the point of having to be taking out. So was Ben Wallace. If there's any city that would accept his faults Detroit would be one of them as long as he played his heart out.

I personally want to see what we have and roll with it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Weaver is trying for a Simmons trade. I just couldn't see why we were in rumors for Wall, that makes zero sense.

The difference between Wallace and Simmons is that a part of Simmons value is his playmaking- his ability to initiate offense. Having a defensive anchor big who can’t have the ball is one thing. Having a key hub in your offense who cant score and won’t even take a shot is another matter entirely.

The similarities I was pointing to was having to take Ben out at times on offense because of his liabilities, something that would probably happen with Simmons.

I’m obviously on the fence about it myself. Not sure how I’d feel if it did happen.

Putting Simmons on the team probably makes it a playoff team and with the cap space we’ll have next year we’ll probably be able to add another really good player. That will put us in the playoff picture every year, but would it be worth it? Is that a treadmill team or a young playoff team with potential? Could Cade become good enough that he could take over 4th quarters and overcome Simmons liabilities?

[Invictus88]

No doubt Simmons is an offensive liability, to the point of having to be taking out. So was Ben Wallace. If there's any city that would accept his faults Detroit would be one of them as long as he played his heart out.

I personally want to see what we have and roll with it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Weaver is trying for a Simmons trade. I just couldn't see why we were in rumors for Wall, that makes zero sense.

The difference between Wallace and Simmons is that a part of Simmons value is his playmaking- his ability to initiate offense. Having a defensive anchor big who can’t have the ball is one thing. Having a key hub in your offense who cant score and won’t even take a shot is another matter entirely.

The similarities I was pointing to was having to take Ben out at times on offense because of his liabilities, something that would probably happen with Simmons.

I’m obviously on the fence about it myself. Not sure how I’d feel if it did happen.

Putting Simmons on the team probably makes it a playoff team and with the cap space we’ll have next year we’ll probably be able to add another really good player. That will put us in the playoff picture every year, but would it be worth it? Is that a treadmill team or a young playoff team with potential? Could Cade become good enough that he could take over 4th quarters and overcome Simmons liabilities?

This isn't a valid comparison because Wallace wasn't taken out of basketball games because of any lack of offense. The only time really besides standard rests were obvious free throw situations at the end of games.

Wallace played 35+ mpg for the Pistons in his heyday. He was so historically good on the defensive end that any offensive liabilities from him truly did not matter.

[bstein14]

I'd rather have Grant than Ben Simmons, and we'd have to trade Grant to get Simmons because we waived our other big contracts so this is a non starter. Maybe once we hit December 15th and we could trade Jackson, Kelly O, CoJo and Killian to get him I'd pull the trigger but no part of me would give up Grant to take back Simmons on that contract.... Simmons also being someone that doesn't want to be here and wants to play in Cali.

[FloridaMan78]

The difference between Wallace and Simmons is that a part of Simmons value is his playmaking- his ability to initiate offense. Having a defensive anchor big who can’t have the ball is one thing. Having a key hub in your offense who cant score and won’t even take a shot is another matter entirely.

The similarities I was pointing to was having to take Ben out at times on offense because of his liabilities, something that would probably happen with Simmons.

I’m obviously on the fence about it myself. Not sure how I’d feel if it did happen.

Putting Simmons on the team probably makes it a playoff team and with the cap space we’ll have next year we’ll probably be able to add another really good player. That will put us in the playoff picture every year, but would it be worth it? Is that a treadmill team or a young playoff team with potential? Could Cade become good enough that he could take over 4th quarters and overcome Simmons liabilities?

This isn't a valid comparison because Wallace wasn't taken out of basketball games because of any lack of offense. The only time really besides standard rests were obvious free throw situations at the end of games.

Wallace played 35+ mpg for the Pistons in his heyday. He was so historically good on the defensive end that any offensive liabilities from him truly did not matter.

Yea I was referencing his free throws. There were games Ben was taking out of 4th quarters because of his free throw shooting.

[Snakebites]

The similarities I was pointing to was having to take Ben out at times on offense because of his liabilities, something that would probably happen with Simmons.

I’m obviously on the fence about it myself. Not sure how I’d feel if it did happen.

Putting Simmons on the team probably makes it a playoff team and with the cap space we’ll have next year we’ll probably be able to add another really good player. That will put us in the playoff picture every year, but would it be worth it? Is that a treadmill team or a young playoff team with potential? Could Cade become good enough that he could take over 4th quarters and overcome Simmons liabilities?

This isn't a valid comparison because Wallace wasn't taken out of basketball games because of any lack of offense. The only time really besides standard rests were obvious free throw situations at the end of games.

Wallace played 35+ mpg for the Pistons in his heyday. He was so historically good on the defensive end that any offensive liabilities from him truly did not matter.

Yea I was referencing his free throws. There were games Ben was taking out of 4th quarters because of his free throw shooting.

Yeah, the difference with Simmons re:free throws is that Simmons has the ball in his hands, meaning a lot more opportunities are available to send him to the line before the penalty hits.

Whatever the offer was (and we don’t know it was us), it appears the Sixers aren’t interested.