Preseason Game 4: Sixers @ Pistons , 7:00 pm

[Manocad]

Cade-JJ-Bey-Grant-Stewart would likely be our best starting lineup. Not sure we want them all playing together because there is certainly a benefit to having Jackson with the bench unit as well, but I think overall Jackson should be finishing out some close games for us this season.

That would have to be the tallest starting lineup in the league.

Cade would be the shortest at 6'7

I think you meant to say 6'6". And from now on please refer to him as "The Swindler."

[zeebneeb]

If Josh Jackson has finally figured out how to use his talent, and slowed his game down, which it looks like, I would have zero issue with him starting next to Cade.

He was drafted at #4 for a reason, but has always shown flashes, nothing sustained. That would be a huge boon for the Pistons.

I was thinking the same thing. When he just slows down and gets out of his own way he does just fine.

What's weird about Josh is that he has talent, everyone can see it. He's not lazy, he's just been out of control, and never had a proper handle on his game.

He's hitting his 3 pointer, which he stayed in Detroit to work on, and isn't forcing anything when he drives the lane. The biggest difference I've noticed from him this preseason, is his passing. When he gets cut off in the lane, he would always forcs a tough shot. I cannot stress that enough. He was brutal when he geared up because everyone in the arena, and all the defenders knew, he was gonna hoist.

Now he's stopping, amd dishing out.

Now let's see if he can keep it up.

[mattao313]

He's an average to below average bench player who should be part of the throw-in's in a trade for Ben Simmons.

Yup like bench guys can't have decent games.

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Yup like good players can be grossly overpaid and overvalued

Sure never said they couldn't.

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[bstein14]

Josh Jackson is also in a contract year. He has millions of reasons to make sure he comes in focused and has his best season of his career. Good thing is for us that even if he has a great year, we can sign another FA first and then go over the cap to resign Josh since we have his early bird rights. He will just count his cap hold of $6.5 million against the cap until he signs a contract.

[440BB]

If it wasn't for Hayes' injuries Lee might not have ever gotten the chance to play enough at the NBA level to start figuring it out. He played the point differently tonight, more patiently than when he subs in and has a spark plug role. Whether Hayes develops into a solid PG or not, Lee has shown the progress to be valuable in the rotation. Lee's development certainly eases the pain of Hayes' struggles. 31 minutes, no turnovers is pretty damn good.

It's fun to watch some of the young guys developing. Lee, Garza and Pickett, plus Livers and Smith look like a lot of high quality later picks. The Pistons bench should remain a strong one for some time to come. Hungry hard workers looking for a chance, the type of players I like to see.

My biggest disappointment was not getting to see Garza banging with Drummond. That's a matchup we need to see.

[Han Solo]

Josh Jackson looks great. He plays like this all year and he’s going to be a big deal.

[whitehops]

crazy difference in the lineups, the entire starting lineup was +25 or better while the majority of the bench was -20 or worse.


bring on the regular season!

[zeebneeb]

My prediction is that the first 5 games are going to be brutal adding in Cade, and the starting lineup playing together for the first time.

If Cade even plays :/

[DBC10]

crazy difference in the lineups, the entire starting lineup was +25 or better while the majority of the bench was -20 or worse.


bring on the regular season!

It's a combo of bringing in a motivated JJ to the starting lineup, Lee making guys better as a floor general, and Jerami erupting that really made this into a fun game. It even got guys like Stewart going too, I think having that space and a floor general will be key for this team to start out in a good direction

[Sort]

It's going to be disappointing if Killian takes over the starting one position and we can all see how much better Lee is at running the team. I can see the tools in Killian, but I don't see the competitive edge or leadership skills. Pistons will be hard to watch this year on some nights, but man, it will be even worse if the team focuses on developing the wrong prospect....

JJ has earned that starting spot. Assuming Cade's out with his not-serious serious injury, I'd prefer to see Lee, Jackson, Bey, Grant, and Stew with Hayes, Diallo, KO, and CoJo as the primary bench.

[bstein14]

It's going to be disappointing if Killian takes over the starting one position and we can all see how much better Lee is at running the team. I can see the tools in Killian, but I don't see the competitive edge or leadership skills. Pistons will be hard to watch this year on some nights, but man, it will be even worse if the team focuses on developing the wrong prospect....

JJ has earned that starting spot. Assuming Cade's out with his not-serious serious injury, I'd prefer to see Lee, Jackson, Bey, Grant, and Stew with Hayes, Diallo, KO, and CoJo as the primary bench.

As soon as we are no longer in the playoff hunt, Killian will help us land a better draft pick. Killian played a key role in getting us Cade.

[Manocad]

It's going to be disappointing if Killian takes over the starting one position and we can all see how much better Lee is at running the team. I can see the tools in Killian, but I don't see the competitive edge or leadership skills. Pistons will be hard to watch this year on some nights, but man, it will be even worse if the team focuses on developing the wrong prospect....

JJ has earned that starting spot. Assuming Cade's out with his not-serious serious injury, I'd prefer to see Lee, Jackson, Bey, Grant, and Stew with Hayes, Diallo, KO, and CoJo as the primary bench.

Developing Hayes and developing Lee aren’t mutually exclusive concepts.

[flow]

It's going to be disappointing if Killian takes over the starting one position and we can all see how much better Lee is at running the team. I can see the tools in Killian, but I don't see the competitive edge or leadership skills. Pistons will be hard to watch this year on some nights, but man, it will be even worse if the team focuses on developing the wrong prospect....

JJ has earned that starting spot. Assuming Cade's out with his not-serious serious injury, I'd prefer to see Lee, Jackson, Bey, Grant, and Stew with Hayes, Diallo, KO, and CoJo as the primary bench.

The real disappointment will be if Hayes is still out but CoJo starts instead of Lee.

Or CoJo getting backup minutes ahead of Lee.

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[Sort]

It's going to be disappointing if Killian takes over the starting one position and we can all see how much better Lee is at running the team. I can see the tools in Killian, but I don't see the competitive edge or leadership skills. Pistons will be hard to watch this year on some nights, but man, it will be even worse if the team focuses on developing the wrong prospect....

JJ has earned that starting spot. Assuming Cade's out with his not-serious serious injury, I'd prefer to see Lee, Jackson, Bey, Grant, and Stew with Hayes, Diallo, KO, and CoJo as the primary bench.

Developing Hayes and developing Lee aren’t mutually exclusive concepts.

To some extent I agree, but you will have to prioritize one over the other, and I think with time it will be clear who should be and who is being prioritized....

[bstein14]

It's going to be disappointing if Killian takes over the starting one position and we can all see how much better Lee is at running the team. I can see the tools in Killian, but I don't see the competitive edge or leadership skills. Pistons will be hard to watch this year on some nights, but man, it will be even worse if the team focuses on developing the wrong prospect....

JJ has earned that starting spot. Assuming Cade's out with his not-serious serious injury, I'd prefer to see Lee, Jackson, Bey, Grant, and Stew with Hayes, Diallo, KO, and CoJo as the primary bench.

Developing Hayes and developing Lee aren’t mutually exclusive concepts.

To some extent I agree, but you will have to prioritize one over the other, and I think with time it will be clear who should be and who is being prioritized....

For the last two months of the season id be thrilled if Hayes and Lee were both getting an even 24 MPG. I think if Lee earns those rotation minutes its great for us we just move CoJo for an expiring after Dec 15th.

[Snakebites]

Josh Jackson looks great. He plays like this all year and he’s going to be a big deal.

Yeah, I remember that from a few early games last year.

[Manocad]

It's going to be disappointing if Killian takes over the starting one position and we can all see how much better Lee is at running the team. I can see the tools in Killian, but I don't see the competitive edge or leadership skills. Pistons will be hard to watch this year on some nights, but man, it will be even worse if the team focuses on developing the wrong prospect....

JJ has earned that starting spot. Assuming Cade's out with his not-serious serious injury, I'd prefer to see Lee, Jackson, Bey, Grant, and Stew with Hayes, Diallo, KO, and CoJo as the primary bench.

Developing Hayes and developing Lee aren’t mutually exclusive concepts.

To some extent I agree, but you will have to prioritize one over the other, and I think with time it will be clear who should be and who is being prioritized....

No you don't. This process isn't difficult and it has played itself out in professional sports for years and years. If the starter struggles and the bench player is playing well, you switch spots and see how it works. It's not some "You must decide who to develop and who to leave to fend for himself" kinda thing.

Look, If you don't like Hayes and don't think he should play a starting minute ever again I get it. But this narrative alluding to Hayes starting and not playing well somehow damages either the team or Lee is nothing but hyperbole, plain and simple. You're acting like Hayes has been on the floor with Cade and the starters stinking it up 36 minutes a game for half a season when he hasn't played one single minute with the projected starting lineup. He may work out to be a perfect fit scoring 6 PPG if he's getting assists so the other guys are handling the scoring load, not committing TO's and guarding the opposing PG well. Meanwhile Lee may at the same time be flourishing as a bench PG taking on more of a scoring role because the bench doesn't have the shooters that the starting unit has. What do you do then? If you admit that it's a possibility then there shouldn't be any resistance to exploring it. Unless you've already decided Hayes is a bust which is fine, but clearly team management hasn't.

[Pistonrings]

Developing Hayes and developing Lee aren’t mutually exclusive concepts.

To some extent I agree, but you will have to prioritize one over the other, and I think with time it will be clear who should be and who is being prioritized....

No you don't. This process isn't difficult and it has played itself out in professional sports for years and years. If the starter struggles and the bench player is playing well, you switch spots and see how it works. It's not some "You must decide who to develop and who to leave to fend for himself" kinda thing.

Look, If you don't like Hayes and don't think he should play a starting minute ever again I get it. But this narrative alluding to Hayes starting and not playing well somehow damages either the team or Lee is nothing but hyperbole, plain and simple. You're acting like Hayes has been on the floor with Cade and the starters stinking it up 36 minutes a game for half a season when he hasn't played one single minute with the projected starting lineup. He may work out to be a perfect fit scoring 6 PPG if he's getting assists so the other guys are handling the scoring load, not committing TO's and guarding the opposing PG well. Meanwhile Lee may at the same time be flourishing as a bench PG taking on more of a starting role because the bench doesn't have the shooters that the starting unit has. What do you do then? If you admit that it's a possibility then there shouldn't be any resistance to exploring it. Unless you've already decided Hayes is a bust which is fine, but clearly team management hasn't.

Agree. We don't need Killian to score 20 to 25, we don't need any starting pg to score big. We need assists, defense, some rebounding from the starting pg. Grant, Cade and Bey will do the vast majority of scoring on the starting unit.

I love how Lee is looking, I don't see him going to the G league at all, I would be shocked if he does.

The main thing I'm worried about now is whether Cade actually plays in the opener. Man I want him to play from the start.

On a side note, Jalen Green has had a rough preseason. Last night he had 16 points, but he was a -22, worst on the team. 1 assist in 32 minutes from the guard position, 1 of 8 from 3, so he's had a tough time.

But no doubt Cade will have a rough go of it at first too. It's just unbelievable that we haven't gotten to see him play at all in preseason. I mean, that is a cruel joke on us by the basketball gods.

[Liqourish]

Saben Lee with another really solid game, 8 assists, 0 TOs, 5 rebounds, 11 points and +27 in 31 minutes... Going to be hard to just pull him from the rotation playing this well.

CoJo with 5 TOs and 2 assists. I honestly would rather he be the 3rd stringer rather than Lee but we know there is no way that is happening at least until the trade deadline.

Never understood re-signing Joseph. I'd rather have Lee and Jackson out there.