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Here's a breakdown of our scoring efficiency by play type. We are great at... 

Post#1 » by bstein14 » Wed Nov 3, 2021 3:25 pm

Taking a look at PPP (Points Per Possession) to determine which areas we do the best in.

Transition 1.01 PPP (20th in NBA) 13.1% if our plays which is the 3rd lowest % in the NBA. Most teams are older and run more.

Off Screen 0.67 PPP (27th in NBA) 3.8% of our plays, we rarely run plays screening for players off the ball. We used to do this a ton in the Richard Hamilton days, and its exactly how Cade hit his first jumper last night.

Isolation 0.61 PPP (28th in the NBA) 5.5% of our plays

Handoffs 0.66 PPP (26th in the NBA) 6.0% of our plays

Putbacks 0.85 PPP (27th in the NBA) 6.6% of our plays, which is 4th highest % because we miss so many shots we're just bad at efficiently scoring after getting offensive rebounds.

Off Ball Cuts 1.21 PPP (17th in the NBA) 6.6% of our plays with puts us right at league average for how often it occurs

Spot Up Jumpers 0.88 PPP (23rd in the NBA) 24.6% of our shots, and by far the most common shot in basketball with all the spot up three pointers. Pistons shoot third highest amount of spot up jumpers behind only OKC and Orlando. Must be something about being a young team where you shoot a ton of jump shots.

Pick and Roll when Ball Handler Shoots 0.61 PPP (30th in NBA) 15.2% of our offensive possessions ... Dead last and not close, we're horrible at pick and rolls when the ball handler shoots the ball.

Pick and Roll when the screener shoots the ball 1.35 PPP (4th in the NBA) 4.3% of our possessions. This is by far our best and most efficient offensive option through 7 games yet we're near the bottom in actually getting the ball to the screeners. It appears we should be looking for KO, Lyles, and Stewart after they set those screens.

Post Ups 1.04 PPP (3rd in NBA) 6.1% of our possessions which sounds small but actually is 6th highest in the NBA. Teams just don't post up anymore.

In reality with PPP, you're looking at things you can do at 1.0 and higher as being good. That means we need more post ups, more pick and roll passes to the screener, more off ball cuts, and more transition opportunities. All of the categories where we are between 0.60 and 0.69 are just horribly inefficient offense.
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Post#2 » by mattao313 » Wed Nov 3, 2021 3:45 pm

We need more high pnr for our guards and a better vet pg then Cory Joseph. Even if overall we suck in the pnr scoring wise that's what's going to create so type of separation for the shooters snd create some driving lanes.

Also its a reason why the rollman ppp is high it's because it's an open layup most of the time if they forced it more it'd just create turnovers and lower % shot s

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Post#3 » by Invictus88 » Wed Nov 3, 2021 4:16 pm

The other way to look at this data (thanks for posting btw) is that it identifies areas we need to improve upon instead of abandoning.

If we truly want to win now then sure, stop doing anything but getting the ball down low or focus on guys who aren't likely to ever lead us anywhere substantial in the future. We'll then become even more one-dimensional than we already are because we will be doubling down on that approach.

Or, we could just let the kids play and get used to each other. I'm a big believer in continuity bringing consistency. We've had none of either for the last few years. Cade has played 2 games and is obviously rusty. Why not wait for things to develop instead of making changes based on a handful of games?
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Post#4 » by Rodman » Wed Nov 3, 2021 4:23 pm

Killian 3-point shooting percentage 33% second-highest on the team Cory Joseph 27% Frank Jackson 17%. Let Killian play and see if he develops
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Post#5 » by 440BB » Wed Nov 3, 2021 7:03 pm

With the Pistons currently being the worst team in the league in both three point (26.7%) and overall shooting (39.4%), these statistics may be skewed at the moment. I'll wait to draw conclusions until the sample size is bigger and more players approach their career averages.
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Post#6 » by Pharaoh » Thu Nov 4, 2021 1:19 am

bstein14 wrote:Taking a look at PPP (Points Per Possession) to determine which areas we do the best in.

Transition 1.01 PPP (20th in NBA) 13.1% if our plays which is the 3rd lowest % in the NBA. Most teams are older and run more.

Off Screen 0.67 PPP (27th in NBA) 3.8% of our plays, we rarely run plays screening for players off the ball. We used to do this a ton in the Richard Hamilton days, and its exactly how Cade hit his first jumper last night.

Isolation 0.61 PPP (28th in the NBA) 5.5% of our plays

Handoffs 0.66 PPP (26th in the NBA) 6.0% of our plays

Putbacks 0.85 PPP (27th in the NBA) 6.6% of our plays, which is 4th highest % because we miss so many shots we're just bad at efficiently scoring after getting offensive rebounds.

Off Ball Cuts 1.21 PPP (17th in the NBA) 6.6% of our plays with puts us right at league average for how often it occurs

Spot Up Jumpers 0.88 PPP (23rd in the NBA) 24.6% of our shots, and by far the most common shot in basketball with all the spot up three pointers. Pistons shoot third highest amount of spot up jumpers behind only OKC and Orlando. Must be something about being a young team where you shoot a ton of jump shots.

Pick and Roll when Ball Handler Shoots 0.61 PPP (30th in NBA) 15.2% of our offensive possessions ... Dead last and not close, we're horrible at pick and rolls when the ball handler shoots the ball.

Pick and Roll when the screener shoots the ball 1.35 PPP (4th in the NBA) 4.3% of our possessions. This is by far our best and most efficient offensive option through 7 games yet we're near the bottom in actually getting the ball to the screeners. It appears we should be looking for KO, Lyles, and Stewart after they set those screens.

Post Ups 1.04 PPP (3rd in NBA) 6.1% of our possessions which sounds small but actually is 6th highest in the NBA. Teams just don't post up anymore.

In reality with PPP, you're looking at things you can do at 1.0 and higher as being good. That means we need more post ups, more pick and roll passes to the screener, more off ball cuts, and more transition opportunities. All of the categories where we are between 0.60 and 0.69 are just horribly inefficient offense.


Great breakdown and would love to see this posted after every month.

I do have some questions though:

In the stats that relate to the PnR where the screener shoots the ball how many of those shots:

Come at the rim
Come within 5 feet of the rim
Come in the 5 to 15 foot range
Come in the 15 to 23 foot range
Are 3s

?

Same for the stats where the ball handler shoots the ball out of the PnR.

Cause not all PnRs are designed to create the same shot.

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