The Mike Valenti Trio of Topics

[NYPiston]

Hah. The bolded is proof I'm not Valenti. I've been as critical of the idea of getting Ben Simmons as anyone here and certainly would have gone nowhere near passing up Cade to get him.

I don't disagree with your take on Bing's comments other than that Cade is 21 games into his career thus it's too early to make a judgement like that IMO, not to mention that Cade has certainly taken the steps toward Alpha male status in the last five games. To that point, on the show Rico said Bing sounded like he might have watched one quarter of one game where Cade didn't play well then made his assessment.

Definitely too early to make any determination about upside but to be fair to Bing, there are a lot of others who see Cade as an All Star caliber player but not an All NBA caliber player at his peak so it's not really an unreasonable take.

Anyway, it's just one mans' opinion and I know that opinion has a lot of clout in this market but still just one mans' opinion when it boils down to it. Like many others, I'm sure that opinion will flip if Cade hits that next level.

[Manocad]

Hah. The bolded is proof I'm not Valenti. I've been as critical of the idea of getting Ben Simmons as anyone here and certainly would have gone nowhere near passing up Cade to get him.

I don't disagree with your take on Bing's comments other than that Cade is 21 games into his career thus it's too early to make a judgement like that IMO, not to mention that Cade has certainly taken the steps toward Alpha male status in the last five games. To that point, on the show Rico said Bing sounded like he might have watched one quarter of one game where Cade didn't play well then made his assessment.

Definitely too early to make any determination about upside but to be fair to Bing, there are a lot of others who see Cade as an All Star caliber player but not an All NBA caliber player at his peak so it's not really an unreasonable take.

Anyway, it's just one mans' opinion and I know that opinion has a lot of clout in this market but still just one mans' opinion when it boils down to it. Like many others, I'm sure that opinion will flip if Cade hits that next level.

To the contrary, the fact that Cade very likely ISN'T at his peak adds further weight to Bing's assessment being unreasonable, IMO.

[NYPiston]

To the contrary, the fact that Cade very likely ISN'T at his peak adds further weight to Bing's assessment being unreasonable, IMO.

It's a projection, not what about what he is now. That's essentially what scouts do, project forward even based on small sample sizes.

I mean, you've never watched a player and had a first impression that "this guy is going to be really good" or "this guy just doesn't have it"? It doesn't mean that assessment can't change over time but it's human nature to have a first impression and project based on that.

[breezypeezy]

I'll use Michaels response over Pentangeli's GF2 rant, "The old man had too much wine".

It was disappointing, but it was in the context of frustration or perhaps even in motivation because Bing wants to see Cade play even better. ( As in cut down the turnovers and keep building up the shooting percentages )

An oldster of Bings day and stature is not gonna shy away from tough talk to a rook, let's call it tough love.

Regarding getting Sabonis, Bridges or Simmons my only point is what in the hell can we offer in return that would have takers?

[Manocad]

To the contrary, the fact that Cade very likely ISN'T at his peak adds further weight to Bing's assessment being unreasonable, IMO.

It's a projection, not what about what he is now. That's essentially what scouts do, project forward even based on small sample sizes.

I mean, you've never watched a player and had a first impression that "this guy is going to be really good" or "this guy just doesn't have it"? It doesn't mean that assessment can't change over time but it's human nature to have a first impression and project based on that.

Oh, I completely understand where you're coming from. But IMO what Cade is now and what a I believe a scout/analyst would project him to be in the future both don't support Bing's assessment. Hence Rico's comment that Bing may have just watched one bad quarter by Cade during a previous game then thought "This isn't the guy the team should build around." Relative to your point, the only way I could see Bing's comment as making sense is in context of the likelihood being greater that Cade over time is going to be more like the player who started pretty poorly than the player we've seen in the last six games (which even includes a bit of a stinker against the Pelicans)...which doesn't make sense. 14 mostly bad games then 1 good game? Sure. "Maybe this isn't the guy" could apply. 14 mostly bad games followed by 6 games in which 5 of them most definitely look like Cade, at the very least, has the capability of not only being THE guy but a great THE guy? Bing did say "He's not the player to build around," not "I don't see him becoming the player you should build around."

[Manocad]

:P I'll use Michaels response over Pentangeli's GF2 rant, "The old man had too much wine".

It was disappointing, but it was in the context of frustration or perhaps even in motivation because Bing wants to see Cade play even better. ( As in cut down the turnovers and keep building up the shooting percentages )

An oldster of Bings day and stature is not gonna shy away from tough talk to a rook, let's call it tough love.

Regarding getting Sabonis, Bridges or Simmons my only point is what in the hell can we offer in return that would have takers?

Nicely played analogy. Both the Godfather and GF2 are in my top 10 all time favorite movies.

While I certainly can see the possibility of Bing intending for his comment to be taken as motivation, he wasn't speaking TO Cade, he didn't provide any context of "These things need to happen otherwise Cade won't be the player to build around," and having dealt with Bing person to person when he was 15 years younger...no, I'm just not seeing that kind of a chess move coming out of him. I think the Frankie Five Angels take is likely closer to the truth, personally.

[mattao313]

I agree with Bing Cade is gonna be an all-star player but I don't think he'll hit superstardom. I think he's closer to Mitchell and booker than gannis

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