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A look at a 4 year max contract extension for Jerami Grant

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Re: A look at a 4 year max contract extension for Jerami Grant 

Post#61 » by DetroitSho » Sun Dec 5, 2021 5:03 pm

mattao313 wrote:
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mattao313 wrote:Nope no one is arrogant just no one wants to play a guy thats a volume scorer with middling efficiency on a high usg% on top of that doesn't create for others. We'll suck with him or without him if we can get some more lottery tickets for him do it.

Y'all acting like we can't trade for a guy like him later. We've had Marcus Morris, Tobias Harris, and Reggie Jackson before on this team and got these guys for cheap.

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Yes, people ARE arrogant and the arrogance is in the assumption of what we would get in his place. Not wanting to pay him is one thing, that's valid. But most times people balk on not extending Grant with the thinking of "nah I'd rather just have xyz" as if just selecting young guys and picks from another team is our choice.

Just curious, you don't want Grant around any longer, what would be your course of action?

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I literally just say that in my post Grant is a solid player but its one of him always available somewhere that's the GM's job to find. I want him traded for a young guy or a pick if we can't do that just let him go no need to pay the man cause he said he wanted to play here. We are in like year 2? Of the rebuild we got a long way to go.

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Yeah, not sure who's advocating keeping him because he chose us. I actually like Grant and I never cared about that. Sooo.....

My problem is the reasoning for moving on most times centers around the other thing hasn't pissed me off yet so I'll take that instead. For example, somehow the commentary here is he doesn't fit with Cade. He's a ball stopper, inefficient, takes the ball out of Cade's hands. Then a presented solution from this same board is Dejaunte Murray. He shoots more than Grant and scores less. And again, no shot at Murray, this is just an example of the other thing is automatically a better solution than what we have.

Another part of this is this whole $30 million is all hypothetical. I personally wouldn't pay him $30 million but I also don't think he'd get it which shapes my opinion of why people need to stop trying to throw him in the trash so easily. As I don't think the decision will be whether to pay him $30 million or no.

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Re: A look at a 4 year max contract extension for Jerami Grant 

Post#62 » by Laimbeer » Sun Dec 5, 2021 6:03 pm

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Uncle Mxy wrote:Name another Piston who's good enough to start on a winning team, right now.

Arguably, the answer is "no one". We have lots of backups getting starter's minutes. Cade's awful start would've placed him on the bench most anywhere else. Olynyk might need some rehab when he gets back.

If the answer by extension time is "no one" and Grant still WANTS to be here, we do this sort of extension.

I really hope we're not in that situation by the trade deadline, but we're not there yet.


So you're saying that Detroit should give a soon to be 30 year old Grant a $100+ million contract simply because he might want to be here? That has got to be one of the most narrow scoped views I've heard.

You completely missed out on the "starter quality player" aspect. If we have ZERO starters on a winning team after all our efforts, and ONE such starter actually wants to stay with us, we do that. Our need will be packaging 2+ backup players to get starters, or figuring out what we're doing wrong with young talent, actually fixing that, going down that road. My narrow view is to keep and build upon winning starters around if they want to be here, 'cause we don't seem to be able to grow and keep them on our own.


This got me to reconsidering a bit. Is he our Gordon Hayward? His deal averages about 30M and runs through the age of 33. Grant's averages 28M and runs through age 32. I think the Hornets are okay with what they did, at least so far.
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Re: A look at a 4 year max contract extension for Jerami Grant 

Post#63 » by treefi » Mon Dec 6, 2021 1:06 am

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edmunder_prc wrote:Grant has good games and weeks when he not only cant shot but forgets how to pass.

Grant still is a 3rd banana on a good to great team. Do those guys get 30+ million a year?

If he wont take an extension for a few more years at what is making now or a small raise he needs to be traded at the deadline to a contender for picks and young players. Maybe its still GSW?
It's kinda odd to ask that question with so much evidence in front of you. $25-$30 million 3rd bananas:

Tobias Harris
Khris Middleton
MPJ
Kyrie
Kyle Lowry
Gordon Hayward

Should I continue?




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Right now there are 43 players making 25M or more - less than one and a half per team.


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Re: A look at a 4 year max contract extension for Jerami Grant 

Post#64 » by bstein14 » Mon Dec 6, 2021 1:35 am

treefi wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
DetroitSho wrote:It's kinda odd to ask that question with so much evidence in front of you. $25-$30 million 3rd bananas:

Tobias Harris
Khris Middleton
MPJ
Kyrie
Kyle Lowry
Gordon Hayward

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Right now there are 43 players making 25M or more - less than one and a half per team.


Exactly.



But in two years, more than 60 players will be making $25 million. Just look at the type of deals handed out this offseason.

Aaron Gordon got $22 million per year from the Nuggets
Terry Rozier got $24 million per year from the Hornets
Malcom Brogdom got $22.5 million per year
Clint Capela got $21 million per year
Mikal Bridges got $22.5 million per (I think he was underpaid compared to some of the other deals)

3rd and 4th starters are going to be getting $20+ million per year starting next year and moving forward.
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Re: A look at a 4 year max contract extension for Jerami Grant 

Post#65 » by tmorgan » Mon Dec 6, 2021 2:33 am

Jerami isn’t Gordon Hayward tho. Granted, he’s more athletically gifted and better defensively, but Hayward fits into any offense. Better shooter, much better passer.

And GH is definitely overpaid. Once the young Hornets are off their rookie deals, he’ll be a problem.
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Re: A look at a 4 year max contract extension for Jerami Grant 

Post#66 » by Mogolo » Mon Dec 6, 2021 3:40 am

The problem With Jerami is he is like Blake was for us (thanks to Casey) ball dominate, and to much iso. a ball stopper, when he is out the ball moves around the court a lot smoother. we might not be hitting them wide open shots but they are there.

So can we get an athletic pick and roll, rebounding, shot blocking big for him? if not we should prolly keep him until we can.
as of right now besides Cade or a first round pick he is our only trade chip.
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Re: A look at a 4 year max contract extension for Jerami Grant 

Post#67 » by dVs33 » Mon Dec 6, 2021 9:16 am

I’d sign him for maybe 2 or 3 years. That’s not going to look bad with the cap going up
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Re: A look at a 4 year max contract extension for Jerami Grant 

Post#68 » by Manocad » Mon Dec 6, 2021 12:46 pm

Mogolo wrote:The problem With Jerami is he is like Blake was for us (thanks to Casey) ball dominate, and to much iso. a ball stopper, when he is out the ball moves around the court a lot smoother. we might not be hitting them wide open shots but they are there.

So can we get an athletic pick and roll, rebounding, shot blocking big for him? if not we should prolly keep him until we can.
as of right now besides Cade or a first round pick he is our only trade chip.

I don't look at Grant as being the type of player who is demanding that he goes iso every time he has the ball. He obviously can hit a spot up jumper when the offense is moving the ball well and can run the floor so I agree that his iso-heavy regimen in the half court offense is probably being dictated by Casey. Hence my thought that the Pistons aren't in a "Grant detracts from what Cade needs to do, gotta move him" situation.

Side note: use of the word "dominate" rather than the adjective "dominant" is really starting to get on my nerves because I'm seeing it so much in sports discussions. "Dominate" is a VERB, e.g. "Michigan will dominate Ohio State using their superior pass rush." "Dominant" is the adjective, e.g. "Manocad is always a dominant party presence." :D
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Re: A look at a 4 year max contract extension for Jerami Grant 

Post#69 » by dVs33 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 11:59 am

I definitely think Casey is the one asking grant to shoulder most of the Offense rather than grant requesting it.
I watched parts of the jj reddick podcast with siakam and he said something Casey being rigid in his schemes and not letting him do much more than dunk. When nurse took over Toronto he was given the opportunity to do more and he flourished. From what we’ve seen so far, it looks like he’s doing the same with our guys.
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Re: A look at a 4 year max contract extension for Jerami Grant 

Post#70 » by whitehops » Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:01 pm

not sure where else to put this little history review but grant getting extended reminds me of the situation the clippers had:

whitehops wrote:sorry didn't read through the whole thread but a franchise-saving trade the clippers made was trading blake griffin to detroit.

he was at the beginning of his five year deal where he made $171 mil over 5 years. he was traded with brice johnson and willie reed for tobias harris, avery bradley and a first round pick. that first round pick was used to select miles bridges, but they used two future second rounders to trade up one spot and take SGA.

so they got rid of blake's albatross contract (he was set to make almost $40 million THIS season) and kick-started their rebuild all in one move (and a good draft). they obviously used SGA as the main trade chip to get paul george from OKC and the rest is history.


whether you think the clippers should have kept SGA and built from there or done what they did to put george and kawhi together, managing to escape blake's contract was the key piece otherwise they would have been held back for about five years. blake was obviously a better player, but both had proven they were not good enough to be the "main guy".

basically, it's better to pull the plug on guys like that before making a "franchise guy" commitment to them.
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Re: A look at a 4 year max contract extension for Jerami Grant 

Post#71 » by Manocad » Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:48 pm

Being it's indisputable at this point the Pistons are willing to trade Grant, my guess it's highly unlikely he's going to get a 4-your contract extension even if it was at fair market value.
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