Bagley or M.Robinson

[bstein14]

I don't think Mitchell or other offensively limited centers who do some combo of rim running, rim protection, and rebounding move the needle that much. We've got cap and it's scarce. Hopefully we leverage that.

That's why I don't think all analysis has to stop at THIS offseason, like next year has to be THE YEAR. As I've posted before, none of the choices relative to the draft, trades or free agency signings should be happening in a vacuum. The smart way to do it IMO is to consider all the options both this offseason and next offseason as well, then put together a list of coordinated moves. We've seen what happens when the moves are made in a "Just do this, then react" manner.

Assuming we have around $29 million in cap space…

Regardless of who we spend it on - let’s assume we spend it ALL - all $29 million.

We will still be in a position to be free agency players in the 2023 offseason.

Grant will come off our books.
Olynyk can come off our books (only $3 mil guar)
Hayes can come off our books (deline option?)

That’s potentially (ballpark) $37 million in cap relief for next offseason.

Grant wants an extension this summer so he wont be coming off the books he will be on them for more.

[Laimbeer]

John Collins just signed an extension starting at 23M and rises gradually to 27M in 2026.

I don't think Grant is worth quite as much, certainly not more.

[Piston Pete]

Neither. Bagley will probably never be strong and good enough defensively to play the C but he doesn't shoot well enough to be a PF. Bagley would be a bigger Josh smith if he took more 3's. Robinson is terrible offensively but great defensively. Id rather meet in the middle and go with either Jalen Smith or Mo Bomba. Both good defensively and are willing shooters and should both get a lot of open shots playing next to Cade and possibly Chet, Paolo, Ivey or Smith

Jalen Smith is still my #1 FA target this offseason.

I think LaVine and Ayton are out of reach.

[whitehops]

i've said it in one of the FA threads but i really like robinson for this team. he's literally 100th percentile at finishing around the rim and 57% of his career field goals are dunks (2.5/game). he's an elite offensive rebounder and he's elite at blocking shots, though his overall defensive impact is closer to average for a starting center.

even just check this out, it's the cutups of his 4 field goal attempts from new york's last game.

he's got tons of size, is decently mobile and plays above the rim. i can't give a full scouting report on him but he's pretty close to what we wanted drummond to do: just use his size/athleticism and stick to his strengths.

if people want a lob threat for cade and hayes then THIS is your guy.

[tmorgan]

If we can move Olynyk for neutral value, or if we don’t keep Bagley, I’m down for Mitch. He brings energy.

I do kinda like Jalen Smith, though. Worth considering. I feel like Bamba is an enigma that will likely never be fully solved.

[zeebneeb]

i've said it in one of the FA threads but i really like robinson for this team. he's literally 100th percentile at finishing around the rim and 57% of his career field goals are dunks (2.5/game). he's an elite offensive rebounder and he's elite at blocking shots, though his overall defensive impact is closer to average for a starting center.

even just check this out, it's the cutups of his 4 field goal attempts from new york's last game.

he's got tons of size, is decently mobile and plays above the rim. i can't give a full scouting report on him but he's pretty close to what we wanted drummond to do: just use his size/athleticism and stick to his strengths.

if people want a lob threat for cade and hayes then THIS is your guy.

Well said and ill add something important that everyone seems to be missing here;

Cade is the type of player that makes e eryone around him better.

Don't view Robinson as he plays on the Knicks, who don't have anyone even remotely close to Cade, or even a competent PG. Some players, especially bigmen, need a floor general to unlock them, as much as they will unlock the floor generals full game.

View how important Robison will be setting wall sized screens for Cade **** Cunningham.

That's how I'm viewing him next to Cade. Imagine giving Cade that much room.

[whitehops]

Well said and ill add something important that everyone seems to be missing here;

Cade is the type of player that makes e eryone around him better.

Don't view Robinson as he plays on the Knicks, who don't have anyone even remotely close to Cade, or even a competent PG. Some players, especially bigmen, need a floor general to unlock them, as much as they will unlock the floor generals full game.

View how important Robison will be setting wall sized screens for Cade **** Cunningham.

That's how I'm viewing him next to Cade. Imagine giving Cade that much room.

yeah, he might average like 11 points a game instead of his current 8 but i wouldn't expect anything more than that or for robinson's skill set to change.

btw i did forget to mention the one thing i don't like about robinson and that's his terrible free throw shooting. after all those years of drummond being sub-50% from the line it's going to be annoying to have someone like that again. he only takes like 2 a game but it still opens yourself up to hack-a-shaq, like we did against mason plumlee this season.

[Piston Pete]

Well said and ill add something important that everyone seems to be missing here;

Cade is the type of player that makes e eryone around him better.

Don't view Robinson as he plays on the Knicks, who don't have anyone even remotely close to Cade, or even a competent PG. Some players, especially bigmen, need a floor general to unlock them, as much as they will unlock the floor generals full game.

View how important Robison will be setting wall sized screens for Cade **** Cunningham.

That's how I'm viewing him next to Cade. Imagine giving Cade that much room.

yeah, he might average like 11 points a game instead of his current 8 but i wouldn't expect anything more than that or for robinson's skill set to change.

btw i did forget to mention the one thing i don't like about robinson and that's his terrible free throw shooting. after all those years of drummond being sub-50% from the line it's going to be annoying to have someone like that again. he only takes like 2 a game but it still opens yourself up to hack-a-shaq, like we did against mason plumlee this season.

Pretty minimal exposure to that if he’s gonna split time with Stewart.

[whitehops]

Pretty minimal exposure to that if he’s gonna split time with Stewart.

yeah i know, but it's still a possibility situationally.

btw if we did sign robinson i think we'd start him but him and stewart would pretty much split minutes down the middle (24 each).

[Kalamazoo317]

I'm team Bagley. I like what he's added to the team and I think he has good chemistry with the team. I think we can get him back for the 7.5 QO.