Is shot blocking overrated?

[Invictus88]

Are we talking about ceilings, again?

Ah, it seems like just yesterday when everyone was geeking out over Killian having the highest ceiling in the draft. Good times.

This was not a thing. It was like one or two voices that mentioned Killian being worthy of #1 overall / having a high ceiling amongst a large sea of others with other opinions.

Your quote is revisionist history.

This was very much a thing with the comparison to Haliburton in particular. I was on the Haliburton train calling him an "Andre Miller with a 3 point shot" and I think people in general weren't as excited about him because he was a bit older, lacked some athleticism and a quick first step, and he thought of more as the "safe" pick but not the exciting high ceiling guy. He wasn't out there in college hitting step back 3s off the dribble he was a bit more conventional for sure.

Comparisons to Haliburton are one thing. I was referencing a claim made of Hayes vs. the totality of the rest of that year's draft class; of which both Edwards and Ball were consistently the prevailing frontrunners in terms of who would go #1 and who had the highest potential.

[MotownMadness]

This was not a thing. It was like one or two voices that mentioned Killian being worthy of #1 overall / having a high ceiling amongst a large sea of others with other opinions.

Your quote is revisionist history.

This was very much a thing with the comparison to Haliburton in particular. I was on the Haliburton train calling him an "Andre Miller with a 3 point shot" and I think people in general weren't as excited about him because he was a bit older, lacked some athleticism and a quick first step, and he thought of more as the "safe" pick but not the exciting high ceiling guy. He wasn't out there in college hitting step back 3s off the dribble he was a bit more conventional for sure.

Comparisons to Haliburton are one thing. I was referencing a claim made of Hayes vs. the totality of the rest of that year's draft class; of which both Edwards and Ball were consistently the prevailing frontrunners in terms of who would go #1 and who had the highest potential.

Yeah i was really high on Hayes and was one of the more vocal ones. But still we did a whole big board on that draft i believe and didnt have Hayes at #1 or anything.

Edwards was always my #1 guy had we landed that pick

[flow]

This was not a thing. It was like one or two voices that mentioned Killian being worthy of #1 overall / having a high ceiling amongst a large sea of others with other opinions.

Your quote is revisionist history.

This was very much a thing with the comparison to Haliburton in particular. I was on the Haliburton train calling him an "Andre Miller with a 3 point shot" and I think people in general weren't as excited about him because he was a bit older, lacked some athleticism and a quick first step, and he thought of more as the "safe" pick but not the exciting high ceiling guy. He wasn't out there in college hitting step back 3s off the dribble he was a bit more conventional for sure.

Comparisons to Haliburton are one thing. I was referencing a claim made of Hayes vs. the totality of the rest of that year's draft class; of which both Edwards and Ball were consistently the prevailing frontrunners in terms of who would go #1 and who had the highest potential.

You keep straw-manning with this, "should/would be taken #1", which I never claimed. If you want to parse the word 'everyone' and argue, contrary to truth & evidence, that he wasn't considered among the highest ceilings in the draft, and certainly the highest ceiling among those left at 7, knock yourself out.

[MotownMadness]

This was very much a thing with the comparison to Haliburton in particular. I was on the Haliburton train calling him an "Andre Miller with a 3 point shot" and I think people in general weren't as excited about him because he was a bit older, lacked some athleticism and a quick first step, and he thought of more as the "safe" pick but not the exciting high ceiling guy. He wasn't out there in college hitting step back 3s off the dribble he was a bit more conventional for sure.

Comparisons to Haliburton are one thing. I was referencing a claim made of Hayes vs. the totality of the rest of that year's draft class; of which both Edwards and Ball were consistently the prevailing frontrunners in terms of who would go #1 and who had the highest potential.

You keep straw-manning with this, "should/would be taken #1", which I never claimed. If you want to parse the word 'everyone' and argue, contrary to truth & evidence, that he wasn't considered among the highest ceilings in the draft, and certainly the highest ceiling among those left at 7, knock yourself out.

He was definitely a overwhelming consensus pick around almost every piston site once we knew we were picking 7th.

Haliburton i was really high on for most that season but then talked myself out of it thinking he would just max out as some 15/7/7 type player with a funny looking slow jump shot.

Definitely a miss and overthinking on that one.

[Invictus88]

This was very much a thing with the comparison to Haliburton in particular. I was on the Haliburton train calling him an "Andre Miller with a 3 point shot" and I think people in general weren't as excited about him because he was a bit older, lacked some athleticism and a quick first step, and he thought of more as the "safe" pick but not the exciting high ceiling guy. He wasn't out there in college hitting step back 3s off the dribble he was a bit more conventional for sure.

Comparisons to Haliburton are one thing. I was referencing a claim made of Hayes vs. the totality of the rest of that year's draft class; of which both Edwards and Ball were consistently the prevailing frontrunners in terms of who would go #1 and who had the highest potential.

You keep straw-manning with this, "should/would be taken #1", which I never claimed. If you want to parse the word 'everyone' and argue, contrary to truth & evidence, that he wasn't considered among the highest ceilings in the draft, and certainly the highest ceiling among those left at 7, knock yourself out.

Fine. Completely remove draft position and focus solely on which prospect has the highest ceiling.
The word everyone means... well... practically everyone? At least a majority in the loosest sense of the word. Neither of which is close to true.

You never made any mention of any qualifiers like the 7th draft position before. So even if that's accurate it definitely isn't relevant in this exchange. Nice try to course-correct after the fact though.

[Kalamazoo317]

I'm definitely not saying Killian is better than him, but I think Haliburton has moved into overrated territory at this point. Not saying he can't earn the praise he's gotten, I just don't think he's earned it yet.