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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#21 » by vege » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:22 pm

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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#22 » by Snakebites » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:25 pm

The article really doesn’t make this sound like it’s a real possibility. Teams “touch base” on trades all the time and a lot of what gets floated in those conversations never comes close to being anything real. We just don’t hear about it every time.
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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#23 » by Manocad » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:38 pm

Snakebites wrote:The article really doesn’t make this sound like it’s a real possibility. Teams “touch base” on trades all the time and a lot of what gets floated in those conversations never comes close to being anything real. We just don’t hear about it every time.

Exactly.

“Team X called the Pistons about…” turns into “The Pistons are in discussions with Team X about…” Yeah, it’s literally true, so to speak. They just leave out the part where Weaver laughed and hung up after six seconds.
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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#24 » by DBC10 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:42 pm

Snakebites wrote:The article really doesn’t make this sound like it’s a real possibility. Teams “touch base” on trades all the time and a lot of what gets floated in those conversations never comes close to being anything real. We just don’t hear about it every time.


Yep, if it gets reported out as such, then it was just a convo and that is really it. Basically kills any potential move
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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#25 » by Cowology » Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:08 pm

Who the **** is Cam Reddish?? Get this **** outa here lol
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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#26 » by Kalamazoo317 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:17 pm

After the Grant trade, I kinda buy this as being possible (I'm against it, fwiw).
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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#27 » by DetroitSho » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:02 am

Kalamazoo317 wrote:After the Grant trade, I kinda buy this as being possible (I'm against it, fwiw).
Why would the Grant trade have you believe this changes anything about this nonsense? Regardless of the trade, why would anybody believe this at all?

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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#28 » by Kalamazoo317 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:08 am

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Kalamazoo317 wrote:After the Grant trade, I kinda buy this as being possible (I'm against it, fwiw).
Why would the Grant trade have you believe this changes anything about this nonsense? Regardless of the trade, why would anybody believe this at all?

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Because the Grant trade was a bad trade, leading me to believe Weaver would be open to making bad trades.
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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#29 » by DetroitDon15 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:10 am

If the want to give Reddish and a second for Joseph, I’d be down. Top 5 pick for a guy riding the pine. No way that I’m down.
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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#30 » by vege » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:48 am

Troy Weaver is our GM, so yeah, it's very realistic that we trade #5 for #11 and Cam Reddish, we might even add value to get it done.
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Post#31 » by DetroitSho » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:43 am

I swear I hate sharing fandom with some of y'all. I couldn't imagine willingly subjecting myself to what I thought was a failing endeavor. My heart really hurts for your oppression.

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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#32 » by Kalamazoo317 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:55 am

DetroitSho wrote:I swear I hate sharing fandom with some of y'all. I couldn't imagine willingly subjecting myself to what I thought was a failing endeavor. My heart really hurts for your oppression.

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If you're talking to me, big difference between thinking we made a bad trade and thinking the whole thing is a failing endeavor. Definitely some nuance in there.

But the rest of what you posted is pretty much why I quit being a Lions fan. Talk about a failing endeavor.
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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#33 » by DetroitSho » Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:17 am

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DetroitSho wrote:I swear I hate sharing fandom with some of y'all. I couldn't imagine willingly subjecting myself to what I thought was a failing endeavor. My heart really hurts for your oppression.

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If you're talking to me, big difference between thinking we made a bad trade and thinking the whole thing is a failing endeavor. Definitely some nuance in there.

But the rest of what you posted is pretty much why I quit being a Lions fan. Talk about a failing endeavor.
You can not like the Grant trade, I didn't necessarily like it. But at the end of the day you can still see some benefit in it that could open up more possibilities. There's literally NO benefit to this dumbaas trade proposal. So, "Weaver did something else I didn't like so he might do this" is complete ASS for a justification.

With that said, I wasn't specifically addressing you because there's people framing actual good things as something to be worried about and complain about sunny days and free ice cream. Those are the people I hate seeing post.

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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#34 » by Kalamazoo317 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:07 pm

Well, if it's part of a bigger package, if you think the draft drops off and evens out a lot after #5 and that you can get a roughly equal player at #11, and if you think Cam Reddish is worth the lottery pick pedigree but just hasn't been used right (something we've seen happen plenty of times in the league) then arguably it's a better trade idea than the Grant one.

I'm not a fan of it, but there's definitely a way to frame it as a positive idea.
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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#35 » by DetroitSho » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:17 pm

Kalamazoo317 wrote:Well, if it's part of a bigger package, if you think the draft drops off and evens out a lot after #5 and that you can get a roughly equal player at #11, and if you think Cam Reddish is worth the lottery pick pedigree but just hasn't been used right (something we've seen happen plenty of times in the league) then arguably it's a better trade idea than the Grant one.

I'm not a fan of it, but there's definitely a way to frame it as a positive idea.
Yeah, like Bagley, who we traded 2 seconds for. Now by all means, provide an example of a top 5 pick being traded for said player and I'd be willing listen to the validity of this being an actual thing.

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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#36 » by Kalamazoo317 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:26 pm

DetroitSho wrote:
Kalamazoo317 wrote:Well, if it's part of a bigger package, if you think the draft drops off and evens out a lot after #5 and that you can get a roughly equal player at #11, and if you think Cam Reddish is worth the lottery pick pedigree but just hasn't been used right (something we've seen happen plenty of times in the league) then arguably it's a better trade idea than the Grant one.

I'm not a fan of it, but there's definitely a way to frame it as a positive idea.
Yeah, like Bagley, who we traded 2 seconds for. Now by all means, provide an example of a top 5 pick being traded for said player and I'd be willing listen to the validity of this being an actual thing.

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I think you're framing this incorrectly (again, not a fan of the trade, just wanting to be accurate). It's *not* a #5 pick for Cam, it's a pick swap between #5 and #11 for Cam, which is very different.
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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#37 » by DetroitSho » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:27 pm

Kalamazoo317 wrote:
DetroitSho wrote:
Kalamazoo317 wrote:Well, if it's part of a bigger package, if you think the draft drops off and evens out a lot after #5 and that you can get a roughly equal player at #11, and if you think Cam Reddish is worth the lottery pick pedigree but just hasn't been used right (something we've seen happen plenty of times in the league) then arguably it's a better trade idea than the Grant one.

I'm not a fan of it, but there's definitely a way to frame it as a positive idea.
Yeah, like Bagley, who we traded 2 seconds for. Now by all means, provide an example of a top 5 pick being traded for said player and I'd be willing listen to the validity of this being an actual thing.

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I think you're framing this incorrectly (again, not a fan of the trade, just wanting to be accurate). It's *not* a #5 pick for Cam, it's a pick swap between #5 and #11 for Cam, which is very different.
I know what it is, and Cam Reddish falls WELL short of the difference between 5 and 11.

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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#38 » by Kalamazoo317 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:47 pm

Which is why I wouldn't do it, but there's a way to frame it as reasonable if you think more highly of Cam. There have been plenty of distressed assets that turned out to be quite excellent in their next destination (like Wiggins for instance).
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Re: Cam Reddish package for the #5 

Post#39 » by DetroitSho » Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:52 pm

Kalamazoo317 wrote:Which is why I wouldn't do it, but there's a way to frame it as reasonable if you think more highly of Cam. There have been plenty of distressed assets that turned out to be quite excellent in their next destination (like Wiggins for instance).
"If you think more highly of Cam".... his mom is not an NBA GM which makes getting upset over this possibility utterly ridiculous.

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