Official 2020 Nba Draft Thread

Kilo · Post #101 » by **Kilo** » Sun Feb 9, 2020 5:15 pm

Top of the draft is so flat with no franchise players - the separation between #1 vs #10 isn't very significant. Sure you'd rather have #1 and your choice, but that player is going to be overpaid by the slotting system for the first five years. #1 OA will make $44M on their rookie contract, #10 will make 19M on their rookie contract.

edmunder_prc · Post #102 » by **edmunder_prc** » Sun Feb 9, 2020 5:22 pm

Curry will return this season and win some games for the Warriors.

ATL and MIN should win some more games with their pickups. Top 5 is possible. But D.Rose and Kennard need to stay "hurt" along with Markieff.

Laimbeer · Post #103 » by **Laimbeer** » Sun Feb 9, 2020 5:25 pm

edmunder_prc wrote:Curry will return this season and win some games for the Warriors.

ATL and MIN should win some more games with their pickups. Top 5 is possible. But D.Rose and Kennard need to stay "hurt" along with Markieff.

I'm not convinced Curry will play again this season, regardless of his health. The Warriors can come up with some kind of rationalization, and frankly I don't think Curry wants to be out there with that team.

vic · Post #104 » by **vic** » Sun Feb 9, 2020 5:37 pm

Kilo wrote:Top of the draft is so flat with no franchise players - the separation between #1 vs #10 isn't very significant. Sure you'd rather have #1 and your choice, but that player is going to be overpaid by the slotting system for the first five years. #1 OA will make $44M on their rookie contract, #10 will make 19M on their rookie contract.

You are right.
I'd rather have 2 top 15s than 1 top 5 in a draft like this.

But Anthony Edwards is a physical talent that you take and just deal with the growth curve. Hes the exception. Him and maybe Lamelo.

Billl · Post #105 » by **Billl** » Sun Feb 9, 2020 6:06 pm

We are sitting at #7, but are actually tied in loss column for #4. All of the bottom teams are pretty horrible, but it looks like the cavs, hawks and wolves are going to try to win games for some reason.

We have a tough schedule on paper and seems timed really well. We play a lot of good teams in the middle before any of them should be in full "rest your guys" mode. That last 6 game stretch is going to be critical. Twolves, Hawks and knicks in there. We'll see who can out-tank who at that point.

mattao313 · Post #106 » by **mattao313** » Sun Feb 9, 2020 6:21 pm

vic wrote:
Kilo wrote:Top of the draft is so flat with no franchise players - the separation between #1 vs #10 isn't very significant. Sure you'd rather have #1 and your choice, but that player is going to be overpaid by the slotting system for the first five years. #1 OA will make $44M on their rookie contract, #10 will make 19M on their rookie contract.

You are right.
I'd rather have 2 top 15s than 1 top 5 in a draft like this.

But Anthony Edwards is a physical talent that you take and just deal with the growth curve. Hes the exception. Him and maybe Lamelo.

Yeah I agree Lamelo and Edward are the guys that seem to have the most upside and physical tools perhaps Wiseman as well the others are just ok. Even then Edwards and Lamelo are pretty inefficient which is a red flag to me. It sucks we finally have a chance at a top 5 pick and it just so happens its a weak draft with no standouts.

Kilo · Post #107 » by **Kilo** » Sun Feb 9, 2020 7:12 pm

mattao313 wrote:
vic wrote:
Kilo wrote:Top of the draft is so flat with no franchise players - the separation between #1 vs #10 isn't very significant. Sure you'd rather have #1 and your choice, but that player is going to be overpaid by the slotting system for the first five years. #1 OA will make $44M on their rookie contract, #10 will make 19M on their rookie contract.

You are right.
I'd rather have 2 top 15s than 1 top 5 in a draft like this.

But Anthony Edwards is a physical talent that you take and just deal with the growth curve. Hes the exception. Him and maybe Lamelo.

Yeah I agree Lamelo and Edward are the guys that seem to have the most upside and physical tools perhaps Wiseman as well the others are just ok. Even then Edwards and Lamelo are pretty inefficient which is a red flag to me. It sucks we finally have a chance at a top 5 pick and it just so happens its a weak draft with no standouts.

Just like we finally have 37M under the cap in the worst free agent class in awhile. This organization can't even tank properly.

MotownMadness · Post #108 » by **MotownMadness** » Sun Feb 9, 2020 7:21 pm

Edwards could still turn out pretty good. Hes gotta get more efficient but hes not scared of being the guy with high volume.

If he can up that efficiency by attacking inside more i can see him being a 20+ppg player at the next level. He just takes alot of contested fade away type 3s like a Harden or something. Right now he can either go off or single handedly shoot you out of a game with bad shot selection.

Wiseman im not sure about. Ive heard his skillset and motor being compared to a Drummond type which is kinda scary. Although i think hes a bit more versatile then that.

Still one of those two should be our goal in my opinion. Then if not start looking into the PGs Lamelo, Hayes, Haliburton or Anthony (starting to really not like him though)

Manocad · Post #109 » by **Manocad** » Sun Feb 9, 2020 8:24 pm

Kilo wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
vic wrote:
You are right.
I'd rather have 2 top 15s than 1 top 5 in a draft like this.

But Anthony Edwards is a physical talent that you take and just deal with the growth curve. Hes the exception. Him and maybe Lamelo.

Yeah I agree Lamelo and Edward are the guys that seem to have the most upside and physical tools perhaps Wiseman as well the others are just ok. Even then Edwards and Lamelo are pretty inefficient which is a red flag to me. It sucks we finally have a chance at a top 5 pick and it just so happens its a weak draft with no standouts.

Just like we finally have 37M under the cap in the worst free agent class in awhile. This organization can't even tank properly.

Which is why the team needs to hold out on any big moves for a couple of years. Develop the kids and think about big moves after Blake is off the books.

zeebneeb · Post #110 » by **zeebneeb** » Sun Feb 9, 2020 9:49 pm

Manocad wrote:
Kilo wrote:
mattao313 wrote:Yeah I agree Lamelo and Edward are the guys that seem to have the most upside and physical tools perhaps Wiseman as well the others are just ok. Even then Edwards and Lamelo are pretty inefficient which is a red flag to me. It sucks we finally have a chance at a top 5 pick and it just so happens its a weak draft with no standouts.

Just like we finally have 37M under the cap in the worst free agent class in awhile. This organization can't even tank properly.

Which is why the team needs to hold out on any big moves for a couple of years. Develop the kids and think about big moves after Blake is off the books.

We are supposed to wait until the 2022/2023 year as fans?

Yeah, I don't think so.

JohnReese · Post #111 » by **JohnReese** » Sun Feb 9, 2020 10:44 pm

If we ended up with a
1-2: Ball or Edwards
3-5: Anthony, Wiseman or Avidja
6-9: Toppin, Haliburton, Mannion or Hampton

To be honest, if we ended up with a 3-5 pick, I would trade down to get Mannion or Haliburton. Haliburton would be a perfect fit for the team and Mannion would bring a lot of fun.

JNewton · Post #112 » by **JNewton** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:21 am

Manocad wrote:
Kilo wrote:
mattao313 wrote:Yeah I agree Lamelo and Edward are the guys that seem to have the most upside and physical tools perhaps Wiseman as well the others are just ok. Even then Edwards and Lamelo are pretty inefficient which is a red flag to me. It sucks we finally have a chance at a top 5 pick and it just so happens its a weak draft with no standouts.

Just like we finally have 37M under the cap in the worst free agent class in awhile. This organization can't even tank properly.

Which is why the team needs to hold out on any big moves for a couple of years. Develop the kids and think about big moves after Blake is off the books.

The proper modus operandi for the Pistons should be using the cap space to facilitate deals between other teams, absorbing bad deals into the cap space while gathering assets/picks in return for doing so, while at the same time drafting and developing some top 5 lottery picks of their own. Additionally, hopefully finding some diamonds in the rough such as Christian Wood or how the Nets capitalized on SVG's inability to see anything in Spencer Dinwiddie. Will it be fun? Well, yes and no. There'll be a lot of losses but at the same time at least there'll be hope, more than could be said for any point in the last decade. If they go out and sign Fred Van Vleet to a max deal this summer, then we know it's just the same old, same old.

Manocad · Post #113 » by **Manocad** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:39 am

zeebneeb wrote:
Manocad wrote:
Kilo wrote:
Just like we finally have 37M under the cap in the worst free agent class in awhile. This organization can't even tank properly.

Which is why the team needs to hold out on any big moves for a couple of years. Develop the kids and think about big moves after Blake is off the books.
We are supposed to wait until the 2022/2023 year as fans?

Yeah, I don't think so.

No, of course not. You can keep wishing for that "win now" strategy that keeps the Pistons getting their nuts stomped in the first round of the playoffs.

Manocad · Post #114 » by **Manocad** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:42 am

JNewton wrote:
Manocad wrote:
Kilo wrote:
Just like we finally have 37M under the cap in the worst free agent class in awhile. This organization can't even tank properly.

Which is why the team needs to hold out on any big moves for a couple of years. Develop the kids and think about big moves after Blake is off the books.

The proper modus operandi for the Pistons should be using the cap space to facilitate deals between other teams, absorbing bad deals into the cap space while gathering assets/picks in return for doing so, while at the same time drafting and developing some top 5 lottery picks of their own. Additionally, hopefully finding some diamonds in the rough such as Christian Wood or how the Nets capitalized on SVG's inability to see anything in Spencer Dinwiddie. Will it be fun? Well, yes and no. There'll be a lot of losses but at the same time at least there'll be hope, more than could be said for any point in the last decade. If they go out and sign Fred Van Vleet to a max deal this summer, then we know it's just the same old, same old.

Exactly. Signing Van Vleet to a max/near max deal would only demonstrate that the ownership has no interest in rebuilding at all.

Invictus88 · Post #115 » by **Invictus88** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:56 am

zeebneeb wrote:
Manocad wrote:
Kilo wrote:
Just like we finally have 37M under the cap in the worst free agent class in awhile. This organization can't even tank properly.

Which is why the team needs to hold out on any big moves for a couple of years. Develop the kids and think about big moves after Blake is off the books.
We are supposed to wait until the 2022/2023 year as fans?

Yeah, I don't think so.

I think fans would welcome losing with a purpose for a change. I mean, we've lost without one for over a decade up until now...

pistonsbball · Post #116 » by **pistonsbball** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:01 am

edmunder_prc wrote:Curry will return this season and win some games for the Warriors.

ATL and MIN should win some more games with their pickups. Top 5 is possible. But D.Rose and Kennard need to stay "hurt" along with Markieff.

Even if Curry comes back they'll manage it in a way that their tank won't be messed up. They're in the box seat, adding a no.1 pick to Curry, Klay and Wiggins would already be in their planning.

Post #117 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:10 am

As I stated before, I think the only teams below us that even have a tertiary chance of passing us in record are the Knicks, Hawks, and Wolves, and I think the odds of each of those are below 50%. Hawks are probably the most likely- they're about to beat the Knicks and they'll have Capela and the league's easiest schedule post-All Star break. The Knicks had a winning streak, but they're about to lose to the Hakws without Capela so that's tough to say. The Wolves are a bit of a wildcard. I don't personally see Russell as a major impact guy but I suppose that could light a fire if he's healthy.

The Warriors/Hornets/Cavs? Forget about it. Not happening.

The Bulls on the other hand could easily fall below us. Suns, Kings and especially Wizards are all in play. Smart money is on Beal getting sat once we get within a certain number of remaining games. Heck, the Magic still have an outside chance of getting into the mix.

Our spot is very much up in the air. For what it's worth (not much to me), EPSN playoff odds have us finishing in the 8 spot. They have Washington falling below us (likely because of their really bad margin of defeat) and nobody moving above us. I don't think they quite put enough weight into strength of schedule, and I don't think they have the capacity to look at trades. We're in an unusual spot where a few bottom feeding teams made win-now moves.

joeleolebo · Post #118 » by **joeleolebo** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:47 pm

Was looking at the remaining schedule and can't imagine how the Pistons can win any more then two games the rest of the way considering their current roster and all the injuries. We're about be picking somewhere in the top 5.

Don't like Wiseman or Ball for us at all and if it's not Edwards, who's your pre-march madness franchise guy in the top 5? I'm really wanting a PG but leaning towards Avdija

The Moose · Post #119 » by **The Moose** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:00 pm

joeleolebo wrote:Was looking at the remaining schedule and can't imagine how the Pistons can win any more then two games the rest of the way considering their current roster and all the injuries. We're about be picking somewhere in the top 5.

Don't like Wiseman or Ball for us at all and if it's not Edwards, who's your pre-march madness franchise guy in the top 5? I'm really wanting a PG but leaning towards Avdija

2? come on man, we are going to win more than 2 games. Rose and Kennard will come back after the ASB.

There are 26 games left.
I think we will win between 8-10 of those games, putting us right around 27-29 wins.
Fairly certain we will end up somewhere between 5-9th

Billl · Post #120 » by **Billl** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:01 pm

joeleolebo wrote:Was looking at the remaining schedule and can't imagine how the Pistons can win any more then two games the rest of the way considering their current roster and all the injuries. We're about be picking somewhere in the top 5.

Don't like Wiseman or Ball for us at all and if it's not Edwards, who's your pre-march madness franchise guy in the top 5? I'm really wanting a PG but leaning towards Avdija

Hope you aren't a betting man, because there is a 0% chance we go 2-25 to finish the season. The worst team in league history didn't have that low of a winning %.