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Christian Wood didn’t want to leave Detroit
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I will never understand choosing to pay Grant and Plumlee over Wood. I would have gladly chosen to pay Wood what Grant got or anything close, not sign Plumlee, watch Wood breakout, then trade him if he really wanted out. It’s common sense to not let a breakout player walk for nothing.
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The more I think about it: Blake Griffin is why we didnt re-sign Wood.
Casey and Weaver probably told Wood, look kid, this is Griffin's team and he is going to play 30+ minutes a night at PF. You have zero chance to start there. That is set in stone, Blake makes $36.5 million dollars and hes on all the posters.
Did Wood want to play center? Maybe not. Houston has Cousins at C, so the line-up has Wood as a backup for at PF.
So probably just Detroit management stupidity, telling the future that there wasnt any room because Blake the savior was too important. I would rather sit Blake for the next two years and sign Wood if he wanted to start at the PF spot. But what do I know, right?
Casey and Weaver probably told Wood, look kid, this is Griffin's team and he is going to play 30+ minutes a night at PF. You have zero chance to start there. That is set in stone, Blake makes $36.5 million dollars and hes on all the posters.
Did Wood want to play center? Maybe not. Houston has Cousins at C, so the line-up has Wood as a backup for at PF.
So probably just Detroit management stupidity, telling the future that there wasnt any room because Blake the savior was too important. I would rather sit Blake for the next two years and sign Wood if he wanted to start at the PF spot. But what do I know, right?
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For all the fluff articles about Plumlee being signed as a pick-and-roll partner for Hayes (which are inherently questionable right now, given that he has been running no pick-and-rolls with Hayes), Wood is the ideal roll man in today's NBA.
Wood is much better suited to center. Cousins does not start at center; Cousins is fighting to remain in the NBA. Wood started at center in the preseason, and I suspect he'll continue to start there. Tucker is the team's starting power forward.
I agree that it was management stupidity, assuming that Wood was content to re-sign. I think Weaver had his dead-set vision and Wood simply wasn't part of it. We instead got three traditional centers.
edmunder_prc wrote:The more I think about it: Blake Griffin is why we didnt re-sign Wood.
Casey and Weaver probably told Wood, look kid, this is Griffin's team and he is going to play 30+ minutes a night at PF.
Did Wood want to play center? Maybe not. Houston has Cousins at C, so the line-up has Wood as a backup for at PF.
Wood is much better suited to center. Cousins does not start at center; Cousins is fighting to remain in the NBA. Wood started at center in the preseason, and I suspect he'll continue to start there. Tucker is the team's starting power forward.
So probably just Detroit management stupidity
I agree that it was management stupidity, assuming that Wood was content to re-sign. I think Weaver had his dead-set vision and Wood simply wasn't part of it. We instead got three traditional centers.
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Dude just put up 31/13 Im very close to taking another long break from this team. Its torture being a fan of this organization
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mattao313 wrote:Dude just put up 31/13 Im very close to taking another long break from this team. Its torture being a fan of this organization
31/13 in his very first game with the Rockets and we traded him away for nothing and he is on a very reasonable contract not something insane like $20 million per year Grant got.
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bstein14 wrote:mattao313 wrote:Dude just put up 31/13 Im very close to taking another long break from this team. Its torture being a fan of this organization
31/13 in his very first game with the Rockets and we traded him away for nothing and he is on a very reasonable contract not something insane like $20 million per year Grant got.
This is what ultimately does long lasting damage to organizations. Not getting anything for lost assets like these and or holding on to assets until they lose value
The Wood transaction is going to be noticeable for some time
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Wood would have been perfect for Killian. Killian is touted as a great pnr player but Plumlee and Blake at this point In their careers aren't great pnr players. This is literally the Josh Smith era all over again with a ton of players that dont fit and playing out of position.
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If I recall correctly Wood came to terms with Houston first, then we worked out the sign and trade, building it into the original Ariza +FRP trade. That was done so he could get more than the Houston's MLE of $9.3M, with us getting a second round pick and more FRP protection in return.
The Rockets tried to trade for Wood last February so he knew he was targeted by them and that's where he went.
I doubt that Wood was ever interested in resigning here once he knew he was wanted by a winner. He may have dropped that hint last summer. Until we have confirmation Weaver chose not to resign Wood, assuming Weaver even had a choice in the matter seems like a witch hunt. For all we know, he already knew Wood wasn't coming back when he agreed to become the GM.
I agree that losing Wood was likely a bad outcome for us. Blaming comes easily but we don't know what really happened.
We may never know if Weaver made the call or Wood. Wood's actions during the off season lead me to think it was his call.
The Rockets tried to trade for Wood last February so he knew he was targeted by them and that's where he went.
I doubt that Wood was ever interested in resigning here once he knew he was wanted by a winner. He may have dropped that hint last summer. Until we have confirmation Weaver chose not to resign Wood, assuming Weaver even had a choice in the matter seems like a witch hunt. For all we know, he already knew Wood wasn't coming back when he agreed to become the GM.
I agree that losing Wood was likely a bad outcome for us. Blaming comes easily but we don't know what really happened.
We may never know if Weaver made the call or Wood. Wood's actions during the off season lead me to think it was his call.
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440BB wrote:I doubt that Wood was ever interested in resigning here once he knew he was wanted by a winner. He may have dropped that hint last summer. Until we have confirmation Weaver chose not to resign Wood, assuming Weaver even had a choice in the matter seems like a witch hunt. For all we know, he already knew Wood wasn't coming back when he agreed to become the GM.
I agree that losing Wood was likely a bad outcome for us. Blaming comes easily but we don't know what really happened.
We may never know if Weaver made the call or Wood. Wood's actions during the off season lead me to think it was his call.
According to James Edwards (), Weaver was not willing to pay $14 million per season to Wood. If true, Wood's intentions were irrelevant (and I see no reason to doubt his claim that he was willing to re-sign in Detroit); Weaver would not have kept him at that price anyway.
"Wood gets close to $14 million per year from Houston. Was told the Pistons didn't want to go that high for C-Wood. Detroit elected to go with Grant at a higher price instead."
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Wood originally agreed to an MLE deal with Houston it was reported....If Detroit was willing to offer 4 years $60 million there is no chance he would have turned that down to go to Houston for the MLE. Wood has made zero money in the NBA before this contract, and even his agent has only been an agent to league minimum type guys, second rounders and undrafted rookies. This was their first big pay day. Our GM and ownership actually never came out and said anything about wanting him in public either. Nothing even like "we'd love to have him back he had a great year last year"..... all signs point to us just not being interested in spending our cap space on him.
He's going to eventually be a 25 and 12 guy for Houston... he might be a 20 and 10 guy for them this year.
He's going to eventually be a 25 and 12 guy for Houston... he might be a 20 and 10 guy for them this year.
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bstein14 wrote:Wood originally agreed to an MLE deal with Houston it was reported....If Detroit was willing to offer 4 years $60 million there is no chance he would have turned that down to go to Houston for the MLE. Wood has made zero money in the NBA before this contract, and even his agent has only been an agent to league minimum type guys, second rounders and undrafted rookies. This was their first big pay day. Our GM and ownership actually never came out and said anything about wanting him in public either. Nothing even like "we'd love to have him back he had a great year last year"..... all signs point to us just not being interested in spending our cap space on him.
He's going to eventually be a 25 and 12 guy for Houston... he might be a 20 and 10 guy for them this year.
Weaver said that re-signing Wood was a priority, but he also said that he had a salary figure in mind. It seems that figure wasn't very high.
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I somehow missed the Edwards tweet. Assuming Edwards has solid information, Weaver blew this one and Wood looks like a steal for Houston. Even if Weaver didn't think Wood was a great fit next to Griffin and with our timeline, at that price he would have been a valuable trade asset unless his performance dropped significantly.
I was trying to understand this while keeping an open mind, but now I understand and share the anger. Weaver's legacy is now entangled with with Wood much like Dumars' with Darko. Time will tell which was the bigger mistake. I hope it was Darko.
I was trying to understand this while keeping an open mind, but now I understand and share the anger. Weaver's legacy is now entangled with with Wood much like Dumars' with Darko. Time will tell which was the bigger mistake. I hope it was Darko.
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440BB wrote:If I recall correctly Wood came to terms with Houston first, then we worked out the sign and trade, building it into the original Ariza +FRP trade. That was done so he could get more than the Houston's MLE of $9.3M, with us getting a second round pick and more FRP protection in return.
The Rockets tried to trade for Wood last February so he knew he was targeted by them and that's where he went.
I doubt that Wood was ever interested in resigning here once he knew he was wanted by a winner. He may have dropped that hint last summer. Until we have confirmation Weaver chose not to resign Wood, assuming Weaver even had a choice in the matter seems like a witch hunt. For all we know, he already knew Wood wasn't coming back when he agreed to become the GM.
I agree that losing Wood was likely a bad outcome for us. Blaming comes easily but we don't know what really happened.
We may never know if Weaver made the call or Wood. Wood's actions during the off season lead me to think it was his call.
Great explanation for people letting this eat the up inside.
As far as I'm concerned and until proven otherwise, Wood did not want to re-sign with us and I've moved on from even thinking about it.
And another note, I really hope nobody here thought we were actually trying to win games this year or I fear for humanity going forward


I know we all want to see all the young guys playing immediately but they're young and they're learning every day in practice with our vets and will get their shot as the year goes along.
The fact that our 19yr old PG is starting should give y'all a little hope
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Crymson wrote:440BB wrote:I doubt that Wood was ever interested in resigning here once he knew he was wanted by a winner. He may have dropped that hint last summer. Until we have confirmation Weaver chose not to resign Wood, assuming Weaver even had a choice in the matter seems like a witch hunt. For all we know, he already knew Wood wasn't coming back when he agreed to become the GM.
I agree that losing Wood was likely a bad outcome for us. Blaming comes easily but we don't know what really happened.
We may never know if Weaver made the call or Wood. Wood's actions during the off season lead me to think it was his call.
According to James Edwards (), Weaver was not willing to pay $14 million per season to Wood. If true, Wood's intentions were irrelevant (and I see no reason to doubt his claim that he was willing to re-sign in Detroit); Weaver would not have kept him at that price anyway.
"Wood gets close to $14 million per year from Houston. Was told the Pistons didn't want to go that high for C-Wood. Detroit elected to go with Grant at a higher price instead."
Crap. Now if that's true that frickin sucks! Now I'm terrified for our future if he actually let Wood go.
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440BB wrote:I somehow missed the Edwards tweet. Assuming Edwards has solid information, Weaver blew this one and Wood looks like a steal for Houston. Even if Weaver didn't think Wood was a great fit next to Griffin and with our timeline, at that price he would have been a valuable trade asset unless his performance dropped significantly.
I was trying to understand this while keeping an open mind, but now I understand and share the anger. Weaver's legacy is now entangled with with Wood much like Dumars' with Darko. Time will tell which was the bigger mistake. I hope it was Darko.
God....ya I missed that tweet too . My apologies.
How could this possibly be? Wood Grant Sekou Jackson Hayes would have been such a solid and exciting starting 5. Or eventual starting5. Wtf is wrong with Weaver and Gores? (If this is true) fingers crossed it isnt
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I’m definitely on board with the idea that we should have kept Wood rather than signing the guys we did, but let’s not go nuts over one game.
By that logic you could look at Mason Plumlee and call him amazing value based on game one. Or Jerami Grant, when looking exclusively at game two.
I prefer Wood at that value easily to both of those guys, but let’s try not to extrapolate performance based on a single game.
By that logic you could look at Mason Plumlee and call him amazing value based on game one. Or Jerami Grant, when looking exclusively at game two.
I prefer Wood at that value easily to both of those guys, but let’s try not to extrapolate performance based on a single game.
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Snakebites wrote:I’m definitely on board with the idea that we should have kept Wood rather than signing the guys we did, but let’s not go nuts over one game.
By that logic you could look at Mason Plumlee and call him amazing value based on game one. Or Jerami Grant, when looking exclusively at game two.
I prefer Wood at that value easily to both of those guys, but let’s try not to extrapolate performance based on a single game.
He also put up 27 pts in 24 minutes in his only preseason game. I know its early but he's been putting up big numbers since the end of last year as well. He's a 20 and 10 big in this league assuming he continues to get touches.
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I agree with Snakebites on this one. I like Wood's personal arc, going from G League fodder to a starting five, but I still hold my doubts. Wood could be had in the post, and I'm not sure his defense can ever work on a playoff team. He's a great talent, but he's never done it for a year. I hope it works out for him in Houston.
I question that it will. Don't think I'm justifying the Plumlee deal though.
I question that it will. Don't think I'm justifying the Plumlee deal though.
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Snakebites wrote:I’m definitely on board with the idea that we should have kept Wood rather than signing the guys we did, but let’s not go nuts over one game.
By that logic you could look at Mason Plumlee and call him amazing value based on game one. Or Jerami Grant, when looking exclusively at game two.
I prefer Wood at that value easily to both of those guys, but let’s try not to extrapolate performance based on a single game.
He has averaged 22.3ppg and 9.7rpg on 54.7% FG and 40% 3FG in 15 games as a starter for his career, so it's not really one game.
IMO, this horrible misstep was 100% on Casey. There's no way Weaver came in here and didn't take advice on re-signing Wood without heavily consulting the guy who has seen him up close and personal the most.
Just imagine, if we had traded D-Rose for an expiring contract and some type of future draft pick last year we could have re-signed Wood and still picked up Grant.
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i can see people having a problem with the grant signing, but i think it's wrong to lump plumlee in with that. for starters, assuming you think plumlee is a solid back and a solid spot starter, $8 mil per year is very reasonable. guys like tristan thompson, jakob poeltl and dario saric are getting roughly the same, and they are ALL getting less than the MLE.
personally i would've re-signed wood for the same contract houston gave him, signed plumlee to the deal we signed him for and rolled with the wings we have now (get sekou more minutes!).
so yeah, would've much rather have had wood over grant but i don't think it's a franchise-altering mistake in that wood would have brought us to relevance.
personally i would've re-signed wood for the same contract houston gave him, signed plumlee to the deal we signed him for and rolled with the wings we have now (get sekou more minutes!).
so yeah, would've much rather have had wood over grant but i don't think it's a franchise-altering mistake in that wood would have brought us to relevance.