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Post#101 » by MotownMadness » Tue May 13, 2025 11:53 pm

bstein14 wrote:Celtics will for sure keep Tatum, Brown and White trio... as well as the inexpensive Pritchard. If anything, they'll move on from Jrue Holiday who makes $32, $35, $38 million the next three seasons since they already have other really good options at the 1 and they can easily find a much cheaper option in FA as well with someone like a Tyus Jones or Schroeder.

Jrue Holiday is most likely the odd man out. Jrue will be 35 years old in a few weeks. Even KP is pretty needed there with Al Horford being so old.

They would have to give Jrue away, that’s ugly
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Post#102 » by the_l_train » Wed May 14, 2025 3:36 am

Anyone think Yabusele could be a free agent target for us at the 4?

Seems like a good energy guy who can stretch the floor and get starter minutes. Shot 40% from 3, and seems like an immediate fan favorite. Little older than I had expected (29).
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Post#103 » by LaSheed » Wed May 14, 2025 3:55 am

I finally understand cap space and what exceptions we can use...can we sign and trade Schroeder + many 2nds for PJ so they can still use their MLE. I have no clue
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Post#104 » by Mr Peanut » Wed May 14, 2025 7:56 am

Washington would be an interesting piece as the backup PF. I suspect Dallas would ask for a first though.

Porzingis is a good player in theory but the availability (or lack of) would scare me away. He's played 65 games once in the past eight seasons.
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Post#105 » by MotownMadness » Wed May 14, 2025 2:20 pm

It would suck to owe a future 1st but there’s a few PFs with potential in the middle 1st round that we could maybe trade into the draft for.

Carter Bryant
Thomas Sorber (more of a 5)
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Re: PF targets 

Post#106 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed May 14, 2025 4:04 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
bstein14 wrote:Celtics will for sure keep Tatum, Brown and White trio... as well as the inexpensive Pritchard. If anything, they'll move on from Jrue Holiday who makes $32, $35, $38 million the next three seasons since they already have other really good options at the 1 and they can easily find a much cheaper option in FA as well with someone like a Tyus Jones or Schroeder.

Jrue Holiday is most likely the odd man out. Jrue will be 35 years old in a few weeks. Even KP is pretty needed there with Al Horford being so old.

They would have to give Jrue away, that’s ugly


They may have to pay to unload 35 year old Jrue's next 3 year $35 mil per contract.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#107 » by bstein14 » Wed May 14, 2025 4:08 pm

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bstein14 wrote:Celtics will for sure keep Tatum, Brown and White trio... as well as the inexpensive Pritchard. If anything, they'll move on from Jrue Holiday who makes $32, $35, $38 million the next three seasons since they already have other really good options at the 1 and they can easily find a much cheaper option in FA as well with someone like a Tyus Jones or Schroeder.

Jrue Holiday is most likely the odd man out. Jrue will be 35 years old in a few weeks. Even KP is pretty needed there with Al Horford being so old.

They would have to give Jrue away, that’s ugly


They may have to pay to unload 35 year old Jrue's next 3 year $35 mil per contract.


If you look at what we gave Tobias (yes slightly younger) I think they would be able to pretty easily move off his contract. I don't think they are getting anything good value back, but they likely could get something similar to Font + THJ for Jrue. Or like one big expiring contract and a 9th or 10th guy in a rotation type deal. The only way I think they'd really have to pay is if they are wanting a team with cap space to immediately give them the tax relief instead of pushing it a year down the road by taking back expirings.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#108 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed May 14, 2025 5:09 pm

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MotownMadness wrote:They would have to give Jrue away, that’s ugly


They may have to pay to unload 35 year old Jrue's next 3 year $35 mil per contract.


If you look at what we gave Tobias (yes slightly younger) I think they would be able to pretty easily move off his contract. I don't think they are getting anything good value back, but they likely could get something similar to Font + THJ for Jrue. Or like one big expiring contract and a 9th or 10th guy in a rotation type deal. The only way I think they'd really have to pay is if they are wanting a team with cap space to immediately give them the tax relief instead of pushing it a year down the road by taking back expirings.


As long as Detroit is not taking on JRue's contract, I am all good for some other team cash strapping themselves. Would rather keep THJ at a discount.
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Post#109 » by the_l_train » Thu May 15, 2025 6:22 pm

Thoughts on Tobias straight up for Derozan? Saw an article where Kings may do this to give more of the scoring responsibility at the forward spot to Keegan Murray.

My current realistic dream scenario is doing this then signing Yabusule as our PF.
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Post#110 » by bstein14 » Thu May 15, 2025 6:34 pm

the_l_train wrote:Thoughts on Tobias straight up for Derozan? Saw an article where Kings may do this to give more of the scoring responsibility at the forward spot to Keegan Murray.

My current realistic dream scenario is doing this then signing Yabusule as our PF.


DeMar is too old and operates in ISO ball out of the midrange a lot I think he doesn't fit well with Cade.... we also just saw Tobias really go to work on the defensive end against a much bigger and incredibly talented player in KAT... plus Tobias has great chemistry with the team and now is a large expiring contract as well. I'd much rather keep Tobias.
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Post#111 » by theBigLip » Thu May 15, 2025 7:17 pm

bstein14 wrote:
the_l_train wrote:Thoughts on Tobias straight up for Derozan? Saw an article where Kings may do this to give more of the scoring responsibility at the forward spot to Keegan Murray.

My current realistic dream scenario is doing this then signing Yabusule as our PF.


DeMar is too old and operates in ISO ball out of the midrange a lot I think he doesn't fit well with Cade.... we also just saw Tobias really go to work on the defensive end against a much bigger and incredibly talented player in KAT... plus Tobias has great chemistry with the team and now is a large expiring contract as well. I'd much rather keep Tobias.


Totally agree. Tobias has been much better than expected. I hope we keep him and let him ease into a backup role as we somehow find a way to get a younger PF for the future.
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Post#112 » by the_l_train » Thu May 15, 2025 7:47 pm

I think Derozan can provide the same type of veteran leadership as Tobias, and offers more on offense. I trust him with the ball to go get a bucket, and that is one of our biggest weaknesses. We need someone like him when Cade and Ivey are not getting it done in the starting lineup.

I like Tobias as much as the next guy, and he did great against KAT, but at the end of the game I still get nervous with the ball in his hands.

With either guy I figure they are a 1-2 year rental.
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Post#113 » by DetroitSho » Thu May 15, 2025 7:54 pm

the_l_train wrote:Thoughts on Tobias straight up for Derozan? Saw an article where Kings may do this to give more of the scoring responsibility at the forward spot to Keegan Murray.

My current realistic dream scenario is doing this then signing Yabusule as our PF.
No offense, but you have some of the worst basketball ideas I read on here.

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Post#114 » by MotownMadness » Thu May 15, 2025 8:03 pm

Randle is a legit #2 these playoffs. Too bad we couldn’t of got him cause I know there was some interest.

Do they pay both Randle and Naz?
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Post#115 » by theBigLip » Thu May 15, 2025 8:13 pm

MotownMadness wrote:Randle is a legit #2 these playoffs. Too bad we couldn’t of got him cause I know there was some interest.

Do they pay both Randle and Naz?


Randle has certainly improved his value. But he’s a FA so we don’t have to give up assets to get him unless it’s a S&T. Naz is going to want a bag (or two or three). And he’ll get it. There are other PFs I’d prefer than Randle. How much would Randle expect?
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Post#116 » by GreekAlex » Thu May 15, 2025 8:14 pm

MotownMadness wrote:Randle is a legit #2 these playoffs. Too bad we couldn’t of got him cause I know there was some interest.

Do they pay both Randle and Naz?


I don’t think they can pay both and Gobert.

I don’t think the Grizzlies can allocate a big contract to Aldama & keep and extend JJJ.

There will be opportunities.
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Post#117 » by bstein14 » Thu May 15, 2025 8:27 pm

Randle playing so well could end up pushing up his market value for sure. We are a Font + 2nd round pick for cap space deal away from having about $34 million on cap space and we could offer something like 4 years $140 million... that said, he is 30 so there is a pretty big risk. It also perhaps pushes Ausar back to the bench for one season until Tobias expires... or it pushes Tobias to the bench as a 6MOY candidate.

C: Duren / Stew
F: Randle / Ausar
F: Tobias / Ausar (or THJ or Holland)
G: Ivey / Beasley(or Holland)
G: Cade / Schroeder(or Sasser)

Randle is an incredibly talented player offensively as well I think its been more about needing consistent effort/energy sometimes these older guys coast a bit during the regular season and then its hard to flip a switch for playoffs.
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Post#118 » by the_l_train » Thu May 15, 2025 8:44 pm

DetroitSho wrote:
the_l_train wrote:Thoughts on Tobias straight up for Derozan? Saw an article where Kings may do this to give more of the scoring responsibility at the forward spot to Keegan Murray.

My current realistic dream scenario is doing this then signing Yabusule as our PF.
No offense, but you have some of the worst basketball ideas I read on here.

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Re: PF targets 

Post#119 » by ComboGuardCity » Thu May 15, 2025 10:24 pm

Randle scares me. He feels like a ripe candidate for a fall off
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Post#120 » by DetroitSho » Thu May 15, 2025 11:46 pm

the_l_train wrote:
DetroitSho wrote:
the_l_train wrote:Thoughts on Tobias straight up for Derozan? Saw an article where Kings may do this to give more of the scoring responsibility at the forward spot to Keegan Murray.

My current realistic dream scenario is doing this then signing Yabusule as our PF.
No offense, but you have some of the worst basketball ideas I read on here.

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No offense taken, and great zinger homie….Love to hear your offseason ideas whenever you're ready. Let me guess, run it back?
Hell naw not run it back. I want to actually try to win a championship NEXT SEASON. I can't stand the "upgrade around the margins" scenarios. I hate the fake idea of "waiting our turn". Go add impact players to this team.

The minute the team was eliminated by New York there was a thread created about what we should do next. I was the first person to respond. It's kinda like beating a dead horse but I'm in the Durant/JJJ/Markenenn boat. I'm not interested in getting a better 8th man. I want our new, at worst, 3rd best player but preferably 2nd best.

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