Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher)

Piston Pete · Post #1081 » by **Piston Pete** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:55 pm

Hayes to the Lakers for that Horton-Tucker/1st package they keep dangling?

What time is the deadline today?

Kalamazoo317 · Post #1082 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:58 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Hayes to the Lakers for that Horton-Tucker/1st package they keep dangling?

What time is the deadline today?

Lakers aren't going to do that. Hayes doesn't return a FRP from anyone right now.

I believe the deadline is 2 p.m. EST.

Piston Pete · Post #1083 » by **Piston Pete** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:00 pm

Kalamazoo317 wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:Hayes to the Lakers for that Horton-Tucker/1st package they keep dangling?

What time is the deadline today?

Lakers aren't going to do that. Hayes doesn't return a FRP from anyone right now.

I believe the deadline is 2 p.m. EST.

I agree, just wishful thinking a bit on my part.

But Hayes would be a great fit there. They wouldn’t ask him to score. Just defend and distribute.

Moses ShamMoses · Post #1084 » by **Moses ShamMoses** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:14 pm

Yeah unfortunately Hayes hasn't shown enough to return a first round pick, even a late one. He'd probably fetch a decent second rounder though if we decided to cut ties. Having said that, we're better off just trying to develop him and hope he has an 'A-ha' moment and figures things out.

Canadafan · Post #1085 » by **Canadafan** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:17 pm

3pm eastern time

Manocad · Post #1086 » by **Manocad** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:21 pm

Moses ShamMoses wrote:Yeah unfortunately Hayes hasn't shown enough to return a first round pick, even a late one. He'd probably fetch a decent second rounder though if we decided to cut ties. Having said that, we're better off just trying to develop him and hope he has an 'A-ha' moment and figures things out.

Exactly what I've been arguing. He's a young, cheap, low risk and potentially high reward player who isn't clogging up things for anyone else. Hate him as much as you want but it makes no sense to dump him now. They'd just be giving him away.

rmfc · Post #1087 » by **rmfc** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:47 pm

With Killian, I feel that he needs to be aggressive and attacking every minute he's on the court. His mentality on offense needs to change before anything else.
He needs to stop deferring to every single player on the court.

The team has nothing to lose (unless Casey doesn't understand the current state) even if Killian fails. He just need to keep attacking the basket and keep shooting Js. Being so submissive and docile hurts him and his development more than anyone else.

mattao313 · Post #1088 » by **mattao313** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:55 pm

Kalamazoo317 wrote:Maxey was used off ball in college and played on a roster with a glut of guards, so his full potential wasn't really seen at that level and he's surprised a lot of folks with his upside since hitting the league.

He isn't surprising he's playing just like he did in college. A small combo guard not the greatest archetype but still a way better player than Hayes right now.

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Post #1089 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:06 pm

If Killian was on another team we wouldn’t even entertain the idea of him being worth any sort of first rounder.

No point trading him.

kpt · Post #1090 » by **kpt** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:12 pm

What if we keep Grant and he settles more into the role he had with Denver. He resigns for 22-24/ year for 4 years and we draft Ivey to have

Cade / Killian
Ivey / Frank
Bey / Diallo
Grant / Lyles
FA / Stewart

This is a upgrade and still young and developing Cade and Ivey develop as 1-2 scoring punch with putting Bey and Grant as more of the 3rd and 4th options where they should be. Not horrible in my opinion. The second unit is well balanced with athleticism, shooting, and youth. It all hinges on Grant and if his ego can accept being a 3rd option which he has been in the past.

MotorCade2 · Post #1091 » by **MotorCade2** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:14 pm

kpt wrote:What if we keep Grant and he settles more into the role he had with Denver. He resigns for 22-24/ year for 4 years and we draft Ivey to have

Cade / Killian
Ivey / Frank
Bey / Diallo
Grant / Lyles
FA / Stewart

This is a upgrade and still young and developing Cade and Ivey develop as 1-2 scoring punch with putting Bey and Grant as more of the 3rd and 4th options where they should be. Not horrible in my opinion. The second unit is well balanced with athleticism, shooting, and youth. It all hinges on Grant and if his ego can accept being a 3rd option which he has been in the past.

This is exactly what I have been saying. Try and throw a max at Ayton in free agency. If we can't get him then we still have capspace and assets to try for a different C. I like that rotation a lot. If Olynyk would get back to form then we would already have a pretty good bench too, especially if Hayes miraculously breaks out eventually.

Manocad · Post #1092 » by **Manocad** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:21 pm

kpt wrote:What if we keep Grant and he settles more into the role he had with Denver. He resigns for 22-24/ year for 4 years and we draft Ivey to have

Cade / Killian
Ivey / Frank
Bey / Diallo
Grant / Lyles
FA / Stewart

This is a upgrade and still young and developing Cade and Ivey develop as 1-2 scoring punch with putting Bey and Grant as more of the 3rd and 4th options where they should be. Not horrible in my opinion. The second unit is well balanced with athleticism, shooting, and youth. It all hinges on Grant and if his ego can accept being a 3rd option which he has been in the past.

If Grant stays I hope like hell that happens. I think if he fully embraces the best role for him on this team he'd be a very effective player. His first half of the first game back playing with Cade was great; he was very quick with his decisions to either try to score or pass it off, no pounding the air out of the rock trying to manufacture something, and the offense looked really good. And then it was gone. But that HAS to happen if Grant stays. You think it's bad that he's causing Cade's game to suffer? Imagine doing it to both Cade AND Ivey. That would suck more than anything that has ever sucked before.

And Weaver has to make a real decision on what to do about a defensive big. If he drafts Ivey he's gotta know that defensive big FA is out there and able to be had. Not just available, but high confidence he can be signed. And if that's not the case then I think the team is best off going with one of the bigs in the draft and potentially chasing a scoring guard FA.

kpt · Post #1093 » by **kpt** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:22 pm

MotorCade2 wrote:
kpt wrote:What if we keep Grant and he settles more into the role he had with Denver. He resigns for 22-24/ year for 4 years and we draft Ivey to have

Cade / Killian
Ivey / Frank
Bey / Diallo
Grant / Lyles
FA / Stewart

This is a upgrade and still young and developing Cade and Ivey develop as 1-2 scoring punch with putting Bey and Grant as more of the 3rd and 4th options where they should be. Not horrible in my opinion. The second unit is well balanced with athleticism, shooting, and youth. It all hinges on Grant and if his ego can accept being a 3rd option which he has been in the past.

This is exactly what I have been saying. Try and throw a max at Ayton in free agency. If we can't get him then we still have capspace and assets to try for a different C. I like that rotation a lot. If Olynyk would get back to form then we would already have a pretty good bench too, especially if Hayes miraculously breaks out eventually.

We still have trade bait with Joseph, JJ, and Olynyk/Lyles

kpt · Post #1094 » by **kpt** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:24 pm

Manocad wrote:
kpt wrote:What if we keep Grant and he settles more into the role he had with Denver. He resigns for 22-24/ year for 4 years and we draft Ivey to have

Cade / Killian
Ivey / Frank
Bey / Diallo
Grant / Lyles
FA / Stewart

This is a upgrade and still young and developing Cade and Ivey develop as 1-2 scoring punch with putting Bey and Grant as more of the 3rd and 4th options where they should be. Not horrible in my opinion. The second unit is well balanced with athleticism, shooting, and youth. It all hinges on Grant and if his ego can accept being a 3rd option which he has been in the past.

If Grant stays I hope like hell that happens. I think if he fully embraces the best role for him on this team he'd be a very effective player. His first half of the first game back playing with Cade was great; he was very quick with his decisions to either try to score or pass it off, no pounding the air out of the rock trying to manufacture something, and the offense looked really good. And then it was gone. But that HAS to happen if Grant stays. You think it's bad that he's causing Cade's game to suffer? Imagine doing it to both Cade AND Ivey. That would suck more than anything that has ever sucked before.

And Weaver has to make a real decision on what to do about a defensive big. If he drafts Ivey he's gotta know that defensive big FA is out there and able to be had. Not just available, but high confidence he can be signed. And if that's not the case then I think the team is best off going with one of the bigs in the draft and potentially chasing a scoring guard FA.

What is your list of those "defensive bigs"

Piston Pete · Post #1095 » by **Piston Pete** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:27 pm

Mitchell Robinson?

Manocad · Post #1096 » by **Manocad** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:33 pm

kpt wrote:
Manocad wrote:
kpt wrote:What if we keep Grant and he settles more into the role he had with Denver. He resigns for 22-24/ year for 4 years and we draft Ivey to have

Cade / Killian
Ivey / Frank
Bey / Diallo
Grant / Lyles
FA / Stewart

This is a upgrade and still young and developing Cade and Ivey develop as 1-2 scoring punch with putting Bey and Grant as more of the 3rd and 4th options where they should be. Not horrible in my opinion. The second unit is well balanced with athleticism, shooting, and youth. It all hinges on Grant and if his ego can accept being a 3rd option which he has been in the past.

If Grant stays I hope like hell that happens. I think if he fully embraces the best role for him on this team he'd be a very effective player. His first half of the first game back playing with Cade was great; he was very quick with his decisions to either try to score or pass it off, no pounding the air out of the rock trying to manufacture something, and the offense looked really good. And then it was gone. But that HAS to happen if Grant stays. You think it's bad that he's causing Cade's game to suffer? Imagine doing it to both Cade AND Ivey. That would suck more than anything that has ever sucked before.

And Weaver has to make a real decision on what to do about a defensive big. If he drafts Ivey he's gotta know that defensive big FA is out there and able to be had. Not just available, but high confidence he can be signed. And if that's not the case then I think the team is best off going with one of the bigs in the draft and potentially chasing a scoring guard FA.

What is your list of those "defensive bigs"

In the draft? Chet. Free agents? I don't have one. Hence the point.

vege · Post #1097 » by **vege** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:51 pm

kpt wrote:
Manocad wrote:
kpt wrote:What if we keep Grant and he settles more into the role he had with Denver. He resigns for 22-24/ year for 4 years and we draft Ivey to have

Cade / Killian
Ivey / Frank
Bey / Diallo
Grant / Lyles
FA / Stewart

This is a upgrade and still young and developing Cade and Ivey develop as 1-2 scoring punch with putting Bey and Grant as more of the 3rd and 4th options where they should be. Not horrible in my opinion. The second unit is well balanced with athleticism, shooting, and youth. It all hinges on Grant and if his ego can accept being a 3rd option which he has been in the past.

If Grant stays I hope like hell that happens. I think if he fully embraces the best role for him on this team he'd be a very effective player. His first half of the first game back playing with Cade was great; he was very quick with his decisions to either try to score or pass it off, no pounding the air out of the rock trying to manufacture something, and the offense looked really good. And then it was gone. But that HAS to happen if Grant stays. You think it's bad that he's causing Cade's game to suffer? Imagine doing it to both Cade AND Ivey. That would suck more than anything that has ever sucked before.

And Weaver has to make a real decision on what to do about a defensive big. If he drafts Ivey he's gotta know that defensive big FA is out there and able to be had. Not just available, but high confidence he can be signed. And if that's not the case then I think the team is best off going with one of the bigs in the draft and potentially chasing a scoring guard FA.

What is your list of those "defensive bigs"

Bamba/Robinson/Nurkic/Hartenstein there are plenty of good options in FA

Rip32 · Post #1098 » by **Rip32** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 5:35 pm

Piston Pete wrote:
Kalamazoo317 wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:Hayes to the Lakers for that Horton-Tucker/1st package they keep dangling?

What time is the deadline today?

Lakers aren't going to do that. Hayes doesn't return a FRP from anyone right now.

I believe the deadline is 2 p.m. EST.

I agree, just wishful thinking a bit on my part.

But Hayes would be a great fit there. They wouldn’t ask him to score. Just defend and distribute.

It's still enough time for him to pack his bags!

Post #1099 » by **theBigLip** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 5:53 pm

I'm guessing the Kings are now out of the Grant trade talks. Maybe Portland still in the running? Most likely he will stay a Piston. 2 more hours...

Post #1100 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 5:55 pm

theBigLip wrote:I'm guessing the Kings are now out of the Grant trade talks. Maybe Portland still in the running? Most likely he will stay a Piston. 2 more hours...

It sure feels that way.

It's not unthinkable that they'd still want Grant, he still fits as much as he did, but they'd have worked that into the current trade you'd think.

Smart money definitely on Grant sticking around. Bagley takes Trey's spot in the rotation.