The Trade Thread - v2

[DetroitSho]

We should have gone after Teague, but I think $12 million at that time would have looked like a huge overpay.

So which one is it? I'm still unclear on where you stand.

I think you're just a contrarian for the sake of being one.

You're having difficulty understanding the context of time.

Contrarian? What am I even going contrary to? I literally have no idea what you're saying you would've done. That's why I'm asking you. It's easy to say we should've went after Teague. Hell, I'm with you in believing he would've been better than Jennings. My question to you that you're not getting is what do you think the price would've been? Because without context of a price tag, "we should've gone after Teague" is an empty statement.

[DetroitSho]

Where is the $12M number for Teague coming from (sounds made up..per the usual)? Did anyone from the Hawks front office leak that information?

Teague would have been a good addition(&most Pistons fans wanted him at the time as well. ...certainly over Jennings) but who really would have paid $12M for him?

*facepalm

What's so hard about using common sense when discussing hypotheticals? Me throwing out a dollar amount (or as you call "making it up".....duhhhhh, who TF knows) is no less made up than just "we should've went after Teague". The way some people's warped minds work, they would try to debate we should've thrown Jennings' money at Teague when it's a proven fact that would've amounted to a dummy mission.

I'm just trying to further the discussion into HOW would we have gone about going after Teague.

[Ghost]

... I think he's saying he wanted Teague. However, 12M would have been a lot... it may have looked stupid at the time. We probably would have been pissed paying that much. But if we did it, it would have changed everything and hindsight plays into it now. So you're asking "you wanted Teague? Would you pay 12M?" Is like yeah, and ehhhh.. idk/maybe.

Is 15/3/7 on 45/85/35 worth 12M? Well, we ended up paying the same 8M Teague is making now for Jennings... is the difference worth 4M? If we had thrown the money, we still may have Knight and Middleton, probably couldn't have paid for Smith and probably wouldn't have lost our draft pick because we wouldn't have tried dumping Gordon for Maggette to get cap space.

Do you think Teague plays good enough defense and is a top'ish PG?

[sfballa13]

I get the Pacers want Stephenson back but why are they insisting on a draft pick as well?

What kind of **** is Larry Legend smoking?

[Pharaoh]

In my scenario we give Millsap Smith's contract then trade Knight & Middleton for Teague.

Is that realistic? If it's not then such is life discussing hypotheticals

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[DBC10]

... I think he's saying he wanted Teague. However, 12M would have been a lot... it may have looked stupid at the time. We probably would have been pissed paying that much. But if we did it, it would have changed everything and hindsight plays into it now. So you're asking "you wanted Teague? Would you pay 12M?" Is like yeah, and ehhhh.. idk/maybe.

Is 15/3/7 on 45/85/35 worth 12M? Well, we ended up paying the same 8M Teague is making now for Jennings... is the difference worth 4M? If we had thrown the money, we still may have Knight and Middleton, probably couldn't have paid for Smith and probably wouldn't have lost our draft pick because we wouldn't have tried dumping Gordon for Maggette to get cap space.

Do you think Teague plays good enough defense and is a top'ish PG?

Teague is a top 15 PG (maybe 10) and is playing like one. He's easily within 10-12 mil or even more for an overpay.

[rmfc]

Where is the $12M number for Teague coming from (sounds made up..per the usual)? Did anyone from the Hawks front office leak that information?

Teague would have been a good addition(&most Pistons fans wanted him at the time as well. ...certainly over Jennings) but who really would have paid $12M for him?

*facepalm

What's so hard about using common sense when discussing hypotheticals? Me throwing out a dollar amount (or as you call "making it up".....duhhhhh, who TF knows) is no less made up than just "we should've went after Teague". The way some people's warped minds work, they would try to debate we should've thrown Jennings' money at Teague when it's a proven fact that would've amounted to a dummy mission.

I'm just trying to further the discussion into HOW would we have gone about going after Teague.

...geez..
yeah.. may be we could have just signed Teague for $8.1M instead of another imaginary number of $12M.... as long as we are just discussing hypoteticals.

[DetroitSho]

Where is the $12M number for Teague coming from (sounds made up..per the usual)? Did anyone from the Hawks front office leak that information?

Teague would have been a good addition(&most Pistons fans wanted him at the time as well. ...certainly over Jennings) but who really would have paid $12M for him?

*facepalm

What's so hard about using common sense when discussing hypotheticals? Me throwing out a dollar amount (or as you call "making it up".....duhhhhh, who TF knows) is no less made up than just "we should've went after Teague". The way some people's warped minds work, they would try to debate we should've thrown Jennings' money at Teague when it's a proven fact that would've amounted to a dummy mission.

I'm just trying to further the discussion into HOW would we have gone about going after Teague.

...geez..
yeah.. may be we could have just signed Teague for $8.1M instead of another imaginary number of $12M.... as long as we are just discussing hypoteticals.

Yeah you're right. Certainly that extra $100k would've been too rich for Atlanta's blood to match.

[Pharaoh]

Would Atlanta have taken the same package as Milwaukee?

Obviously Teague wasn't getting huge offers as a RFA

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[rmfc]

*facepalm

What's so hard about using common sense when discussing hypotheticals? Me throwing out a dollar amount (or as you call "making it up".....duhhhhh, who TF knows) is no less made up than just "we should've went after Teague". The way some people's warped minds work, they would try to debate we should've thrown Jennings' money at Teague when it's a proven fact that would've amounted to a dummy mission.

I'm just trying to further the discussion into HOW would we have gone about going after Teague.

...geez..
yeah.. may be we could have just signed Teague for $8.1M instead of another imaginary number of $12M.... as long as we are just discussing hypoteticals.

Yeah you're right. Certainly that extra $100k would've been too rich for Atlanta's blood to match.

Agreed.

[rmfc]

Would Atlanta have taken the same package as Milwaukee?

Obviously Teague wasn't getting huge offers as a RFA

This.

[Han Solo]

... I think he's saying he wanted Teague. However, 12M would have been a lot... it may have looked stupid at the time. We probably would have been pissed paying that much. But if we did it, it would have changed everything and hindsight plays into it now. So you're asking "you wanted Teague? Would you pay 12M?" Is like yeah, and ehhhh.. idk/maybe.

Is 15/3/7 on 45/85/35 worth 12M? Well, we ended up paying the same 8M Teague is making now for Jennings... is the difference worth 4M? If we had thrown the money, we still may have Knight and Middleton, probably couldn't have paid for Smith and probably wouldn't have lost our draft pick because we wouldn't have tried dumping Gordon for Maggette to get cap space.

Do you think Teague plays good enough defense and is a top'ish PG?

Teague looks great this year.

[DetroitSho]

Would Atlanta have taken the same package as Milwaukee?

Obviously Teague wasn't getting huge offers as a RFA

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I honestly don't see why they would've taken that same deal since Atlanta felt way better about Teague than Milwaukee about Jennings. Jennings and Milwaukee weren't on good terms at all.

As far as big offers, it's all context (which unfortunately some don't get). There's a fine line in paying enough for the other team to not match but at the same time not overpay the player.

[Pharaoh]

IF you believe Atlanta wouldn't have taken Knight & Middleton and some cap space for Teague then we're talking about using Smith's $$$ on Teague...

So how much would we have been willing to pay? The Jennings deal seemed to come out of nowhere so let's assume it's July 1st...

Joe meets with Teague and offers what?

We've got Drummond, Monroe, Middleton, KCP, Knight, Singler, Jerebko already on board...

In this scenario is Teague the "leader" we needed? And IF he is how much is that worth?

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[Ghost]

I had my order of events messed up earlier in this thread.

We fire Frank and Dumars, hire SVG to do both jobs. I'll just pretend to throw all of Smith's money at Teague and that prices him away from Atlanta, SVG loves Teague!! (Lmao go with it)

13.5M for Teague.
8.5M expire in Cville.
8.5M expire in Stuckey
4.5 for Jerebko
4 for Monroe
3 for Knight
2.8 for Will - if you want to resign him.
2.6 for First pick - KCP (assume we knew that we could price Teague away from Atlanta and this was our whole goal, instead we draft Shabazz)
2.5m for Drummond
1m for Singler
.5 each for Middleton, Siva, Mitchell
52.4M

Never pay for Billups/Datome.

Pay the 1m for Harrellson again he was fine.
53.4M

Drummond/Harrellson
Monroe/Jerebko
Singler/Shabazz/Middleton
Knight/Stuckey
Teague/Will

Cvill, Mitchell, Siva


That leave ~5M for the last roster spot.. idk who to sign.

-next year you extend Monroe with Cville expire+part of stuckey, and use the rest to acquire a backup SG.... Meeks! maybe have enough cash to get Butler too.


God that makes us look different we basically trade Smith and KCP for Teague and Shabazz... Which results in us keeping Monroe long-term. Knight moves off-ball but can act as PBH sometimes.

[Ghost]

I think that team wins enough games to lose our first round pick to Charlotte, like we ended up doing. However, I don't know if it makes the playoffs over the Knicks (while Atlanta falls out)

[Hotmayo]

Man the thunder have so many pieces I want ... soooo baddddd

would it be possible to do a sign n trade with them at the end of the year for monroe and we take on perkins, plus mcgary, perry jones, and jermy lamb?

maybe we add a 2nd round pick

* or maybe sign n trade monroe for reggie jackson and mcgary

then draft a SF

[ImHeisenberg]

Man the thunder have so many pieces I want ... soooo baddddd

would it be possible to do a sign n trade with them at the end of the year for monroe and we take on perkins, plus mcgary, perry jones, and jermy lamb?

maybe we add a 2nd round pick

* or maybe sign n trade monroe for reggie jackson and mcgary

then draft a SF

The only way I see Detroit able to trade Monroe is if SVG straight up tells him that they're going to renounce his rights on July 1st and he will lose his bird rights no matter what team he finishes the season with.

That being said- if they could move him for Reggie Jackson, I wouldn't blink twice.

[jakebernat]

Man the thunder have so many pieces I want ... soooo baddddd

would it be possible to do a sign n trade with them at the end of the year for monroe and we take on perkins, plus mcgary, perry jones, and jermy lamb?

maybe we add a 2nd round pick

* or maybe sign n trade monroe for reggie jackson and mcgary

then draft a SF

The only way I see Detroit able to trade Monroe is if SVG straight up tells him that they're going to renounce his rights on July 1st and he will lose his bird rights no matter what team he finishes the season with.

That being said- if they could move him for Reggie Jackson, I wouldn't blink twice.

Monroe and Jennings for Jackson, Perkins, and the Thunder's 1st rounder? Bower/SVG would win executive of the year if they could pull that off, but it makes a ton of sense...

[ImHeisenberg]

Monroe isn't going to fetch a lot as an expiring contract. Jennings even less.

Hoops Rumors posted conflicting reports- one states that Moose would accept any trade, another stating he won't waive his NTC. But, that Smith and Jennings are on the block.