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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#121 » by Blkbrd671 » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:35 pm

tiderulz wrote:
menten wrote:monroe + kcp + filler for afflalo + harris + harkless


I could see Orlando doing AA + Harkless. They arent going to add in Harris also as then they do not have a SF period.


it would have to be harris, Harkless isn't even seeing minutes. we need to fill the sF position with a productive player not project
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#122 » by tiderulz » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:30 pm

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tiderulz wrote:
menten wrote:monroe + kcp + filler for afflalo + harris + harkless


I could see Orlando doing AA + Harkless. They arent going to add in Harris also as then they do not have a SF period.


it would have to be harris, Harkless isn't even seeing minutes. we need to fill the sF position with a productive player not project


then its a no go. Orlando liked what they saw in Harris last year and are not trading him out of town this fast.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#123 » by Kilo » Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:11 am

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist could be available? Is he a hustle player bust with a broke jumper or could he just use a fresh start with less pressure?
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#124 » by Natopher » Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:50 am

MKG is a bust. Definitely don't want him.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#125 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:31 am

tiderulz wrote:
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tiderulz wrote:
I could see Orlando doing AA + Harkless. They arent going to add in Harris also as then they do not have a SF period.


it would have to be harris, Harkless isn't even seeing minutes. we need to fill the sF position with a productive player not project


then its a no go. Orlando liked what they saw in Harris last year and are not trading him out of town this fast.


Ya unless Harris is involved, that's too much value for us to give. no go
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#126 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:31 am

Kilo wrote:Michael Kidd-Gilchrist could be available? Is he a hustle player bust with a broke jumper or could he just use a fresh start with less pressure?


Gerald Wallace 2.0, with higher upside, but he'll never be a star. Barnes barnes barnes
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Post#127 » by Notanoob » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:53 am

Natopher wrote:MKG is a bust. Definitely don't want him.
He's still only 20 and plays some of the best defense in the league. He's hardly a bust. Even if he never develops a scoring touch, neither did Rodman or Wallace. His defense would be greatly appreciated, although I doubt we could get him without giving up something we don't want to give up. In any event, they've already got plenty of front court depth, so they'd want a guard and I doubt they'd take just Stuckey for him. Plus, they need shooting about as badly as we do.
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Post#128 » by sc8581 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:55 am

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Natopher wrote:MKG is a bust. Definitely don't want him.
He's still only 20 and plays some of the best defense in the league. He's hardly a bust. Even if he never develops a scoring touch, neither did Rodman or Wallace. His defense would be greatly appreciated, although I doubt we could get him without giving up something we don't want to give up. In any event, they've already got plenty of front court depth, so they'd want a guard and I doubt they'd take just Stuckey for him. Plus, they need shooting about as badly as we do.


That would be crazy to have 3 20 year olds that play very good defense starting for us in MKG, KCP and Drummond. We would definitely have to add a stretch 4 and a better shooting PG though lol.
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Post#129 » by Damon_3388 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:11 pm

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Damon_3388 wrote:I wonder if New Orleans would be interested in the following trade:

New Orleans receive - Greg Monroe (New Orleans native), Charlie Villanueva, 2014 2nd Round Draft Pick
Detroit receive - Ryan Anderson, Austin Rivers, Jeff Withey

Works financially, and would be a good deal for both teams IMO.

Also, one proposed by Bill Simmons a few weeks back:

New Orleans receive - Greg Monroe, Rodney Stuckey, Charlie Villanueva
Detroit receive - Ryan Anderson, Eric Gordon, Jeff Withey

Not entirely sure the Pelicans would go for that, although it works financially and is reasonably fair (depending on which direction both teams want to go in).


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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#130 » by theBigLip » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:41 pm

Notanoob wrote:
Natopher wrote:MKG is a bust. Definitely don't want him.
He's still only 20 and plays some of the best defense in the league. He's hardly a bust. Even if he never develops a scoring touch, neither did Rodman or Wallace. His defense would be greatly appreciated, although I doubt we could get him without giving up something we don't want to give up. In any event, they've already got plenty of front court depth, so they'd want a guard and I doubt they'd take just Stuckey for him. Plus, they need shooting about as badly as we do.


MKG would be great to have on our team, but....

we can't pay too much for him and can't expect him to be a scorer. but he is a great defender and a great teammate.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#131 » by DetroitDon15 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:50 pm

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Notanoob wrote:
Natopher wrote:MKG is a bust. Definitely don't want him.
He's still only 20 and plays some of the best defense in the league. He's hardly a bust. Even if he never develops a scoring touch, neither did Rodman or Wallace. His defense would be greatly appreciated, although I doubt we could get him without giving up something we don't want to give up. In any event, they've already got plenty of front court depth, so they'd want a guard and I doubt they'd take just Stuckey for him. Plus, they need shooting about as badly as we do.


MKG would be great to have on our team, but....

we can't pay too much for him and can't expect him to be a scorer. but he is a great defender and a great teammate.


If we could get MKG, Biyombo, our pick, and Charlotte's pick for Greg Monroe and Luigi Datome, I am all in for adding him.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#132 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:59 pm

DetroitDon15 wrote:
theBigLip wrote:
Notanoob wrote:He's still only 20 and plays some of the best defense in the league. He's hardly a bust. Even if he never develops a scoring touch, neither did Rodman or Wallace. His defense would be greatly appreciated, although I doubt we could get him without giving up something we don't want to give up. In any event, they've already got plenty of front court depth, so they'd want a guard and I doubt they'd take just Stuckey for him. Plus, they need shooting about as badly as we do.


MKG would be great to have on our team, but....

we can't pay too much for him and can't expect him to be a scorer. but he is a great defender and a great teammate.


If we could get MKG, Biyombo, our pick, and Charlotte's pick for Greg Monroe and Luigi Datome, I am all in for adding him.


FYI. Charlottes pick goes to Chicago this year. And, Bismack and MKG are not that good. MKG is looking to be getting better, but that would definitely set this team back another year or two. Sorry -BMP
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#133 » by Kilo » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:35 pm

DetroitDon15 wrote:
theBigLip wrote:
Notanoob wrote:He's still only 20 and plays some of the best defense in the league. He's hardly a bust. Even if he never develops a scoring touch, neither did Rodman or Wallace. His defense would be greatly appreciated, although I doubt we could get him without giving up something we don't want to give up. In any event, they've already got plenty of front court depth, so they'd want a guard and I doubt they'd take just Stuckey for him. Plus, they need shooting about as badly as we do.


MKG would be great to have on our team, but....

we can't pay too much for him and can't expect him to be a scorer. but he is a great defender and a great teammate.


If we could get MKG, Biyombo, our pick, and Charlotte's pick for Greg Monroe and Luigi Datome, I am all in for adding him.


Charlotte's pick would be out, but I'd probably do Monroe and Jerebko for Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Bismack Biyombo and our first rounder back (which will probably be in the #10-#16 range).

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Kentavious Caldwell Pope|
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist|Kyle Singler
Josh Smith|Tony Mitchell
Andre Drummond|Bismack Biyombo
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Post#134 » by MrBigShot » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:51 pm

I wouldn't get rid of Moose for MKG. He hasn't shown enough offensively imo. And he's another guy who can't shoot. And I've said this before but, this draft is very top heavy. The top 5-6 guys will likely be terrific prospects, but after that it's pretty weak. If we aren't getting a top 6 pick in the a deal centered around Moose, I wouldn't do it. And I know that it's extremely unlikely that someone would offer that.
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Post#135 » by Timmaytime » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:10 pm

MrBigShot wrote:I wouldn't get rid of Moose for MKG. He hasn't shown enough offensively imo. And he's another guy who can't shoot. And I've said this before but, this draft is very top heavy. The top 5-6 guys will likely be terrific prospects, but after that it's pretty weak. If we aren't getting a top 6 pick in the a deal centered around Moose, I wouldn't do it. And I know that it's extremely unlikely that someone would offer that.


Agreed. Keep Moose
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Post#136 » by DetroitDon15 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:31 pm

Timmaytime wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:I wouldn't get rid of Moose for MKG. He hasn't shown enough offensively imo. And he's another guy who can't shoot. And I've said this before but, this draft is very top heavy. The top 5-6 guys will likely be terrific prospects, but after that it's pretty weak. If we aren't getting a top 6 pick in the a deal centered around Moose, I wouldn't do it. And I know that it's extremely unlikely that someone would offer that.


Agreed. Keep Moose


I'd like to keep Moose as well but if I could get two picks and two young prospects for him. I think I do the deal.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#137 » by DetroitDon15 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:33 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
DetroitDon15 wrote:
theBigLip wrote:
MKG would be great to have on our team, but....

we can't pay too much for him and can't expect him to be a scorer. but he is a great defender and a great teammate.


If we could get MKG, Biyombo, our pick, and Charlotte's pick for Greg Monroe and Luigi Datome, I am all in for adding him.


FYI. Charlottes pick goes to Chicago this year. And, Bismack and MKG are not that good. MKG is looking to be getting better, but that would definitely set this team back another year or two. Sorry -BMP


Well than it would be a no go. I think this draft is good enough that if we could get Charolette's pick, ours back and those two that we would be golden. I know Bismack Bis-Sucks but I view him as a back-up center giving us ten minutes with shot blocking potential.
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Post#138 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:48 pm

DetroitDon15 wrote:

Well than it would be a no go. I think this draft is good enough that if we could get Charolette's pick, ours back and those two that we would be golden. I know Bismack Bis-Sucks but I view him as a back-up center giving us ten minutes with shot blocking potential.


Bismack is a very solid backup for 10-15mpg. I remember one game where he went toe to toe with Dwight and almost outplayed him a while back. Thus, he has his moments.

I am soooo glad Pistons didn't draft him. It seemed everyone wanted Bismack like it was the end of the world!!! LOL!!!!
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#139 » by Natopher » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:35 am

How about this trade (It's really 2 trades but I'm throwing them together because they work together to fix logjams at certain positions)

DET Trades: Greg Monroe, Charlie Villanueva, Rodney Stuckey
DET Receives: Jeff Green, Courtney Lee, Channing Frye, 1st round draft pick (from BOS), 2014 1st round draft pick (from PHX)

PHX Trades: Channing Frye, 2014 first (I believe they have 4, any of them will do)
PHX Receives: Rodney Stuckey

BOS Trades: Jeff Green, Courtney Lee, 1st round draft pick
BOS Receives: Greg Monroe, Charlie Villanueva

Phoenix does this trade because it allows them to shed the salary connected to Frye and they have 4 first round draft picks this year so trading one really doesn't hurt them much (if at all) and I doubt they want 4 guaranteed rookies on their team next year. Not to mention they have the Morris twins who are playing very well for them, making Frye an expensive and redundant piece. Stuckey would also be a pretty valuable player for them coming off the bench.

Boston does this because it gets them their franchise center going forward into the future and Lee isn't really a part of their future so trading him doesn't hurt them. They have to add a first round pick because Monroe is worth more than Lee and Green.

Detroit does this trade because it gets us a starting quality SG and SF and 2 first round draft picks. Jeff Green is (IMO) one of the better SFs in the league, and he's a great corner 3 point shooter which would help open up the floor. We also trade Stuckey for Frye because it gets us a first round draft pick this year (in a loaded draft) and trading Stuckey fixes our jam at PG/SG. Not to mention that Frye would be a very valuable in the stretch 4 role off the bench. With these trades we would have a rotation of:

Jennings/Billups/Bynum/Siva
Lee/KCP
Green/Singler/Datome
Smith/Frye/Mitchell/Jerebko
Drummond/Harrellson
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Post#140 » by Piston Pete » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:45 pm

Here's a new 3-way idea with GS and OKC:

TO THE WARRIORS:
C Greg Monroe
C Kendrick Perkins
SG/SF Thabo Sefolosha
SF/PF Ryan Gomes

-Warriors basically trade Barnes/Bogut for Monroe and better depth - and get rid of Bogut's contract.
Curry
Thompson
Iggy
Lee
Monroe


TO THE PISTONS:
SF Harrison Barnes
PF Perry Jones

-Pistons basically trade Monroe for Barnes/PJ3
Jennings
KCP
Barnes
Smith
Drummond


TO THE THUNDER:
C Andrew Bogut
SG Kent Bazemore

-Thunder basically trade pieces for a C upgrade in Bogut
Westbrook
Lamb
Durant
Ibaka
Bogut

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