Pistons WAIVE Josh Smith

[Manocad]

There is a god.

[ComboGuardCity]

So we use the rest of the season to see if Monroe/Drummond will work! Too 5 pick. PG or SF.


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[Billl]

why do people wanna get rid of jennings now? he costs like half what josh smith did, is only on the books for next year and hasn't been nearly as harmful to the team as smith. .

Probably because you have to use phrases like " hasn't been nearly as harmful to the team as smith" to describe Jennings.

Jennings has certainly been more coachable than smith. His shot attempts are down and his turnovers are down. He's trying to play the way SVG wants, but he's just not very good at it. He can get into the lane, but he can't finish and doesn't have a knack for interior passing. He can thread the needle in the open court and pass on the perimeter, but if there is any contact at all, he doesn't seem to be able to make a passing or scoring play. Defensively, he gives up penetration and gets lost on screens. It's pretty much impossible to play good team defense if the opposing pg can get into the lane at will.

[epheisey]

Wow. I was speechless when I saw the text from a friend when I woke up today.

Josh Smith is that toxic that releasing him was the only option. Not surprising from a fan point of view because we all jump on the crucify Josh smith bandwagon, but to see the team actually jump on board is very telling.

How does this work cap wise? Are we stuck paying this guy 14/yr until his contract expires or is spread out over a longer stretch? Or better yet, since we had some cap room now, can we just pay him up front and get out of it sooner?

Moose, see what Stan did for you? Pleaseeee come back!


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[DETermination]

Holy Cow, I just woke up and found out about this. I asked for Santa Van Gundy to give us a present for Christmas during last nights game and he did!

[DBC10]

Jennings for Lin, straight up.

They get an upgrade over Ronnie "Literally in the league" Price while we get a young PnR maestro that isn't hated by its own coach in Byron.

Also, Woj is reporting the Kings offered Landry and some other parts for Smith. I think that would've been a lot better in hindsight, no?

I still can't believe this happened, this is unprecedented in the league with someone making that much cash and just being waived like that. He really was a cancer.

[sfballa13]

Jennings for Lin, straight up.

They get an upgrade over Ronnie "Literally in the league" Price while we get a young PnR maestro that isn't hated by its own coach in Byron.

Also, Woj is reporting the Kings offered Landry and some other parts for Smith. I think that would've been a lot better in hindsight, no?

I still can't believe this happened, this is unprecedented in the league with someone making that much cash and just being waived like that. He really was a cancer.

Let's say Kings offered Landry and Thompson

Then we keep Landry and stretch Thompsons 18 M over 5 years (3.6M a year)

6+3.6
6+3.6
3.6
3.6
3.6

Now we are paying Smith
5.2
5.2
5.2
5.2
5.2

The difference is we would have had 3.6M less in cap space the next two years but instead of wasting 5M we could have had Landry coming off the bench. To me Id rather have made a trade then just pay 5M and not get a player in return, esp one that could have been useful on our reserve unit

[DBC10]

Jennings for Lin, straight up.

They get an upgrade over Ronnie "Literally in the league" Price while we get a young PnR maestro that isn't hated by its own coach in Byron.

Also, Woj is reporting the Kings offered Landry and some other parts for Smith. I think that would've been a lot better in hindsight, no?

I still can't believe this happened, this is unprecedented in the league with someone making that much cash and just being waived like that. He really was a cancer.

Let's say Kings offered Landry and Thompson

Then we keep Landry and stretch Thompsons 18 M over 5 years (3.6M a year)

6+3.6
6+3.6
3.6
3.6
3.6

Now we are paying Smith
5.2
5.2
5.2
5.2
5.2

The difference is we would have had 3.6M less in cap space the next two years but instead of wasting 5M we could have had Landry coming off the bench. To me Id rather have made a trade then just pay 5M and not get a player in return, esp one that could have been useful on our reserve unit

Right, that's what I'm saying. It's better to waive one of them and keep the other as an insurance of reserve role since now, we have a likely hole at PF AND it puts a small dent in our cap space too.

Oh well, that was definitely one of Stan's first blunders as a GM. In hindsight it would've been worth it.

[princeofpalace]

Thompson is an expiring contract for goodness sakes. He is not guarenteed for next season, how are people ignoring this? Besides, Stein is saying the initial offer this summer was Williams/Thompson (both expirings) for Smith, it was declined. Then Landry was offered, which was also declined. There's no spinning this, SVG made a bad move this summer.

So we use the rest of the season to see if Monroe/Drummond will work! Too 5 pick. PG or SF.

Its probably a moot point, id be shocked if Monroe considered staying here another season.

[ComboGuardCity]

Thompson is an expiring contract for goodness sakes. He is not guarenteed for next season, how are people ignoring this?

That's not true.


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[ChipButty]

Jennings for Lin, straight up.

They get an upgrade over Ronnie "Literally in the league" Price while we get a young PnR maestro that isn't hated by its own coach in Byron.

Also, Woj is reporting the Kings offered Landry and some other parts for Smith. I think that would've been a lot better in hindsight, no?

I still can't believe this happened, this is unprecedented in the league with someone making that much cash and just being waived like that. He really was a cancer.

Let's say Kings offered Landry and Thompson

Then we keep Landry and stretch Thompsons 18 M over 5 years (3.6M a year)

6+3.6
6+3.6
3.6
3.6
3.6

Now we are paying Smith
5.2
5.2
5.2
5.2
5.2

The difference is we would have had 3.6M less in cap space the next two years but instead of wasting 5M we could have had Landry coming off the bench. To me Id rather have made a trade then just pay 5M and not get a player in return, esp one that could have been useful on our reserve unit

The difference in cap space is fairly minimal and I doubt Landry would be happy here. Better to give JJ those minutes. I think you have to look at the bigger picture. I think this move clearly signals a change in direction. The official end of the "win now" era. Sometimes you just gotta tear it down.

[dVs33]

Thompson is an expiring contract for goodness sakes. He is not guarenteed for next season, how are people ignoring this? Besides, Stein is saying the initial offer this summer was Williams/Thompson (both expirings) for Smith, it was declined. Then Landry was offered, which was also declined. There's no spinning this, SVG made a bad move this summer.

So we use the rest of the season to see if Monroe/Drummond will work! Too 5 pick. PG or SF.

Its probably a moot point, id be shocked if Monroe considered staying here another season.

SVG gambled on getting Smiths value up and it didn't work so he waived him.
Hindsight is great and all, but just be happy Smith isn't here.

[MotownMadness]

Thompson is an expiring contract for goodness sakes. He is not guarenteed for next season, how are people ignoring this? Besides, Stein is saying the initial offer this summer was Williams/Thompson (both expirings) for Smith, it was declined. Then Landry was offered, which was also declined. There's no spinning this, SVG made a bad move this summer.

So we use the rest of the season to see if Monroe/Drummond will work! Too 5 pick. PG or SF.

Its probably a moot point, id be shocked if Monroe considered staying here another season.

Thompson and Landry are both on 3 year deals.

[MotownMadness]

Smith is finally gone and some of you are complaining about it? Smith not being on the roster has way more impact than any player we could sign for 5 mil over the next 5 years.

[The Penguin]

Thompson is an expiring contract for goodness sakes. He is not guarenteed for next season, how are people ignoring this? Besides, Stein is saying the initial offer this summer was Williams/Thompson (both expirings) for Smith, it was declined. Then Landry was offered, which was also declined. There's no spinning this, SVG made a bad move this summer.

So we use the rest of the season to see if Monroe/Drummond will work! Too 5 pick. PG or SF.

Its probably a moot point, id be shocked if Monroe considered staying here another season.

SVG gambled on getting Smiths value up and it didn't work so he waived him.
Hindsight is great and all, but just be happy Smith isn't here.

Stan thought he could get through to Josh. No doubt Josh told him everything he wanted to hear in their discussions this summer. It didn't work. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to resurrect the deal with the Kings but it seems their interest has moved on to D-Will.


The same people killing Stan for not doing the Kings deal would have been killing him had he done it and Smith actually clicked on the Kings. Stan thought he could make the 3 big rotation work. Even after last year, many people on here bought into his ability to do just that before the season started. Some people are just going to complain.

[DBC10]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/12/22/ ... s-disaster

Worth it to read on the Smith situation and his short tenure as a Piston.

Great article.

[mercury]

The best part of this is that SVG said they are now making a commitment to the young players and others minutes will be effected... reading this as Dinwiddie & KCP's minutes will increase.

[vic]

This is awesome.

So now we get to keep Moose or draft Karl Towns/Stanley Johnson. (towns is the only player I'd take over Johnson). Unfortunately, this might actually make the Pistons good enough to get out of the top 6 picks.

But anyway this is the best Pistons news since Drummond was drafted. At least we'll get to enjoy basketball again. And Josh Smith will win a championship as the fifth option in Dallas.

[Laimbeer]

Jennings for Lin, straight up.

They get an upgrade over Ronnie "Literally in the league" Price while we get a young PnR maestro that isn't hated by its own coach in Byron.

Also, Woj is reporting the Kings offered Landry and some other parts for Smith. I think that would've been a lot better in hindsight, no?

I still can't believe this happened, this is unprecedented in the league with someone making that much cash and just being waived like that. He really was a cancer.

Let's say Kings offered Landry and Thompson

Then we keep Landry and stretch Thompsons 18 M over 5 years (3.6M a year)

6+3.6
6+3.6
3.6
3.6
3.6

Now we are paying Smith
5.2
5.2
5.2
5.2
5.2

The difference is we would have had 3.6M less in cap space the next two years but instead of wasting 5M we could have had Landry coming off the bench. To me Id rather have made a trade then just pay 5M and not get a player in return, esp one that could have been useful on our reserve unit

Landry sucks, you might as well get a minimum guy. Even allowing for that, the total five year cap hits are about the same, except the way we've done it by waiving Smith, we get more space up front. Most teams would prefer that.

[DBC10]

This is awesome.

So now we get to keep Moose or draft Karl Towns/Stanley Johnson. (towns is the only player I'd take over Johnson). Unfortunately, this might actually make the Pistons good enough to get out of the top 6 picks.

But anyway this is the best Pistons news since Drummond was drafted. At least we'll get to enjoy basketball again. And Josh Smith will win a championship as the fifth option in Dallas.

Yes sir. Though, I'd prefer Mudiay since we have a gaping hole at the PG spot, and might as well go for a athletic freak like him that can pass and slash.