[WOJ]Pistons trade Bruce Brown to Nets...

[davidvolumes]

Who would have ever thought Ben Wallace turned out to be the player that he did. And we traded Grant Hill for him. Now that sounds like insanity. Chill. Weaver made a decision give Casey a chance to see what he can do with it. I much prefer we are making small moves than Stan Van Gundy making Andre the franchise player Reggie Jackson the franchise point guard.

[Billl]

I wonder how long it's going to take fans to realize that none of our current players are going to be on the team when we get back to contending. Maybe Sekou if he shows out, but it's likely going to a be a complete house cleaning.

[Snakebites]

And traded him for a player that will be playing in Europe in 2 years.

How hard is it for people to understand the issue is what Detroit got back for him and not Bruce himself?

So the issue is the return, and not the fact that he was traded. Okay, that's fair.

What in your mind would be a "good" return for a player of his caliber?

I would say his value does not warrant any first-round picks, we all know this. On the flipside, I cant say unless it's to pick 31-36, that he's worth trading just to get into the second round of a draft either. It makes more sense to add him as another piece on a larger trade that may involve Luke, Blake, Rose, etc.

His defense and intangibles as a teammate go beyond what a pick projected to be in the final 10 picks of the draft normally gets you. Hes literally one of the few examples Detroit has of what a bench role player on a good team can look like and I also dont think he wont command much moneywise in the offseason, so why exactly make this move? I dont think this trade had anything to do with Musa so I would really love to learn what the reasoning behind this was. If you wanted to clear up the logjam, I believe Khyri thomas could have netted a second rounder somewhere, especially 2021

Fair enough.

I never said it was a great trade or anything. My position is more that Brown was unlikely to be an important piece moving forward and I’m still approaching the Weaver regime with an open mind- it’s possible Brown simply isn’t someone he saw as a piece moving forward.

And if he can/could get a similar package for Thomas, I’m sure he would/will.

[Invictus88]

I wonder how long it's going to take fans to realize that none of our current players are going to be on the team when we get back to contending. Maybe Sekou if he shows out, but it's likely going to a be a complete house cleaning.

This.

Bad teams can make mediocre players look much better than they really are simply because there's more opportunity. Brown hustles. Great. So did Brian Cardinal. George Blaha loved that guy back in the day too.

I get that people like Brown. I liked him too. But when you are watching such poor play for so long you'll hold tight to anything that looks even remotely promosing. I think Brown fits into this category.

Does he still have upside? Eh? Maybe? But time is definitely running out w/regards to Brown to show that he could capably and reliably score or show solid PG skills. He hasn't shown either yet and it's been 2 years basically starting.

I hope he does great for the Nets but I won't complain too much for getting something back for him while you can.

[chrbal]

And traded him for a player that will be playing in Europe in 2 years.

How hard is it for people to understand the issue is what Detroit got back for him and not Bruce himself?

So the issue is the return, and not the fact that he was traded. Okay, that's fair.

What in your mind would be a "good" return for a player of his caliber?

I would say his value does not warrant any first-round picks, we all know this. On the flipside, I cant say unless it's to pick 31-36, that he's worth trading just to get into the second round of a draft either. It makes more sense to add him as another piece on a larger trade that may involve Luke, Blake, Rose, etc.

His defense and intangibles as a teammate go beyond what a pick projected to be in the final 10 picks of the draft normally gets you. Hes literally one of the few examples Detroit has of what a bench role player on a good team can look like and I also dont think he wont command much moneywise in the offseason, so why exactly make this move? I dont think this trade had anything to do with Musa so I would really love to learn what the reasoning behind this was. If you wanted to clear up the logjam, I believe Khyri thomas could have netted a second rounder somewhere, especially 2021

An “everything must go” sale?

I honestly believe that we could have gotten more out of him in a trade, but I’m not really judging this individual trade until I see what else happens.

Khyri is probably seen as more of an unknown commodity at this point. I feel like him and Jordan Bone might be looked at for bigger roles considering the small cost of each.

[440BB]

Between Brown, Bone and Thomas, only Brown had any trade value whatsoever. Perhaps we see more of the other two this season and one of them, given more minutes, turns out useful. Casey would have most likely kept relying on Brown for most of those minutes.

[Pharaoh]

Not impressed with this move.

We can crap on Brown as much as we like but at least he cared and worked hard!

Will have to wait for details of the whole deal but right now not feeling this.

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[bstein14]

In my mind, I was actually thinking Brown + 2021 2nd rounder might move us up a spot or two in this draft if Ball falls. I was thinking Brown was worth a late first rounder. Looks like I was really wrong.

[dVs33]

This sucks a bit. I liked brown and his approach. Seemed like a hard worker.
Let's see what happens now...

[Kilo]

Musa is said to be a very hard worker as well if that is the reason why folks liked Brown so much.

[MotownMadness]

Was definitely a fan of Brown because of his work ethic but this is hardly any type of move to get bent out of shape over either way.

[BJK1]

Was definitely a fan of Brown because of his work ethic but this is hardly any type of move to get bent out of shape over either way.

To quote my teenage son when he heard about the deal, “That’s probably like the most inconsequential trade ever.”

[the_l_train]

Funny how everyone downplays the value of a 2nd rounder...when Bruce was the 42nd pick himself.

Bruce will have a great opportunity to get some real shine on a national level, and stand a chance to get a way bigger contract than what we were ever gonna pay him...if anything, we should just be happy for Bruce.

Musa was a first rounder, and he's only 21. We also have an opportunity to grab the next-Bruce Brown next year.

LET WEAVER LIVE DAMMIT

[vege]

Funny how everyone downplays the value of a 2nd rounder...when Bruce was the 42nd pick himself.

Bruce will have a great opportunity to get some real shine on a national level, and stand a chance to get a way bigger contract than what we were ever gonna pay him...if anything, we should just be happy for Bruce.

Musa was a first rounder, and he's only 21. We also have an opportunity to grab the next-Bruce Brown next year.

LET WEAVER LIVE DAMMIT

That's such a terrible argument.

Khyri Thomas was also a 2nd rounder who cost us 2 2nd round picks to draft. For every Bruce Brown (a legit NBA player) you get a lot of Khyri Thomas (A player who won't stay in the league after his 1st contract, hell, most 2nd rounders won't even get a contract)

So for that reason, Bruce Brown should have a lot more value than that, at least 2-3 2nd round picks in the late 30's early 40's.

Also, the 2nd we got won't be in the early 40's, which makes it a lot worse.

We threw away a pick like the one we got trading for a couple of months of Jameer Nelson's corpse, that's a fair value for the 2nd we acquired in this trade. 0 value.

Musa is bad. You can overhype him as much as you want. He was a late 1st rounder, and very few of those stay in the league. And he was a late 1st who didn't show enough to make his rookie deal worth. Musa is the kind of player who get his team option declined after 3 seasons.

We donated a legit NBA rotation player to Brooklyn and we got 0 in return. Hell, we even lost money in the process.

I don't know how much a late 2nd round pick is worth this days (yes, every year teams can flat out buy late 2nd round picks for money) but we are losing not only 400k in the process (I don't give a ****, that's Gore's money) but we are also losing raw cap space.

This trade is a complete disaster. I think it's about time for us to have some hope but things are only getting worse and worse.

I can't wait for us to draft the next Greg Monroe/Brandon Knight/Stanley Johnson.

[zeebneeb]

Funny how everyone downplays the value of a 2nd rounder...when Bruce was the 42nd pick himself.

Bruce will have a great opportunity to get some real shine on a national level, and stand a chance to get a way bigger contract than what we were ever gonna pay him...if anything, we should just be happy for Bruce.

Musa was a first rounder, and he's only 21. We also have an opportunity to grab the next-Bruce Brown next year.

LET WEAVER LIVE DAMMIT

That's such a terrible argument.

Khyri Thomas was also a 2nd rounder who cost us 2 2nd round picks to draft. For every Bruce Brown (a legit NBA player) you get a lot of Khyri Thomas (A player who won't stay in the league after his 1st contract, hell, most 2nd rounders won't even get a contract)

So for that reason, Bruce Brown should have a lot more value than that, at least 2-3 2nd round picks in the late 30's early 40's.

Also, the 2nd we got won't be in the early 40's, which makes it a lot worse.

We threw away a pick like the one we got trading for a couple of months of Jameer Nelson's corpse, that's a fair value for the 2nd we acquired in this trade. 0 value.

Musa is bad. You can overhype him as much as you want. He was a late 1st rounder, and very few of those stay in the league. And he was a late 1st who didn't show enough to make his rookie deal worth. Musa is the kind of player who get his team option declined after 3 seasons.

We donated a legit NBA rotation player to Brooklyn and we got 0 in return. Hell, we even lost money in the process.

I don't know how much a late 2nd round pick is worth this days (yes, every year teams can flat out buy late 2nd round picks for money) but we are losing not only 400k in the process (I don't give a ****, that's Gore's money) but we are also losing raw cap space.

This trade is a complete disaster. I think it's about time for us to have some hope but things are only getting worse and worse.

I can't wait for us to draft the next Greg Monroe/Brandon Knight/Stanley Johnson.

This is why the rumors of picking Patrick Williams has me afraid we are in for yet another decade of "why did I even turn on the game tonight" seasons. I know great scouts can see things others cannot, but I also can't find a single mock draft that has this kid anywhere near that high, and if the team passes on Hayes, and picks Williams, just as I have done before, I'll stop watching the NBA for a few years, and then see whats going on after that.

This franchise cannot have yet another bad pick. It has to pan out and that means drafting the best player available, by consensus, and not taking a flyer on a player that no one has in the top 10. I mean does anyone here select Willaims over Hayes? Haliburton? Okongwu?

I just hope I see a name that makes sense. If Hayes is gone at 7, and they do take Williams ill be upset, but hope he pans out. If Hayes is there and they pass, taking williams ill be livid.

I want Hayes so bad I'm hoping they ship a player and #7 to guarantee they land him. Really don't care who. My hope is that they moved Brown for that 2nd as part of this deal. I know it's not actually happening, but hey, every draft day when the Pistons select at #7, 8, or 9, hope fills my heart and then immediately afterwards, I come to terms that when I sit in the seats, all I've done is help pay for one of Gores nights out filled with cocaine and hookers.

[TPA]

Pre-draft scouting report, FWIW: https://www.nbadraft.net/players/dzanan-musa/
The next Bojan Bogdanovic they say!

[ByeByeDre]

Bruce Brown is worth 2-3 2nd round picks? Come on.

The fact that a GM said “I’ll give you a second round pick for a ‘hard worker’ whose contract expires this year” is amazing.

And if Troy gets a pick for Khyri Thomas, he should be GM of the Year

[ByeByeDre]

I wonder how long it's going to take fans to realize that none of our current players are going to be on the team when we get back to contending. Maybe Sekou if he shows out, but it's likely going to a be a complete house cleaning.

Winner! The Pistons got worse and got a pick all at the same time - that’s the goal, isn’t it? And the fact that it’s a ‘21 pick is good too......

[edmunder_prc]

I wonder how long it's going to take fans to realize that none of our current players are going to be on the team when we get back to contending. Maybe Sekou if he shows out, but it's likely going to a be a complete house cleaning.

Winner! The Pistons got worse and got a pick all at the same time - that’s the goal, isn’t it? And the fact that it’s a ‘21 pick is good too......

Its the Nets '21 pick. If Durant comes back healthy they have Finals level talent. Giannis might end up with the Mavs or some other team making the East even weaker.

Harden to the Nets? Who knows.

Its a 54-60 pick. The Pistons also took on extra salary. For a guy that shot more airballs than makes.

[Pharaoh]

I wonder how long it's going to take fans to realize that none of our current players are going to be on the team when we get back to contending. Maybe Sekou if he shows out, but it's likely going to a be a complete house cleaning.

Winner! The Pistons got worse and got a pick all at the same time - that’s the goal, isn’t it? And the fact that it’s a ‘21 pick is good too......

Its the Nets '21 pick. If Durant comes back healthy they have Finals level talent. Giannis might end up with the Mavs or some other team making the East even weaker.

Harden to the Nets? Who knows.

Its a 54-60 pick. The Pistons also took on extra salary. For a guy that shot more airballs than makes.

It's actually Toronto's 2nd round pick

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