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Post#121 » by DBC10 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:13 am

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potatoaim wrote:If the team didnt know the severity of the injury shortly after it happened, they need to find new doctors. There is a massive difference between a "minor ankle roll" and an ankle injury thats going to keep you out for at least a month.

The team knew exactly how bad it was when it happened, but downplayed for as long as they could to milk as many tickets as possible.

Knowing the severity of the injury relative to what was damaged is absolutely easy--x-rays, swelling, etc. But here's the part you're missing--the healing part is not only undetectable in some cases, but not guaranteed nor the same person to person. Why do you think doctors ask the patient how much something hurts? Because they can't determine that everything causing pain has healed.

Now, if you want to argue that the team milked it to sell tickets, have at it. Did you buy a ticket? No? Then you have no reason to be upset.



Maybe they should have chosen their words a little more carefully. The way they described it from the start shouldnt have been anywhere near enough to keep anyone out for at least a month.

And no, i didnt buy a ticket. However, misleading people to sell tickets is pretty scummy. I dont need to be duped by them to acknowledge that. Besides, who made you the authority on what people should or shouldnt be annoyed at?


I mean that's exactly why they were more or less ambiguous about this and not give out an exact date on when he's playing. They have the hype train going, no need to derail it with anything about him being kept out and lose out on potential revenue. It's basically a win win situation. Just keep fanning the flames of the hype and keep him healthy. Looks like it worked since tonight was a sellout according to the halftime show

it is scummy business and if this were a product, they'd probably get hit with some obscure consumer protection law but this is a show/entertainment biz so it's to be expected at this point
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Post#122 » by whitehops » Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:31 am

Manocad wrote:Did I just watch Troy Weaver say that it's always hard to tell what will happen with an ankle injury, that Cade's ankle was taking longer to heal than expected, and that he's day to day at this point? CRAZY!!! Now, other than someone going to the media every single day and saying "Cade is still day to day" until he is announced as being in the lineup for a game, what's a better answer?


he's not day to day, they've ruled him out for the next ten days. this is what the fans you mock are so annoyed about lol.
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Post#123 » by zeebneeb » Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:25 am

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Manocad wrote:Did I just watch Troy Weaver say that it's always hard to tell what will happen with an ankle injury, that Cade's ankle was taking longer to heal than expected, and that he's day to day at this point? CRAZY!!! Now, other than someone going to the media every single day and saying "Cade is still day to day" until he is announced as being in the lineup for a game, what's a better answer?


he's not day to day, they've ruled him out for the next ten days. this is what the fans you mock are so annoyed about lol.
Must have been a really bad ankle sprain, not a simple twist like was initially stated for sure.

Oh well. Such is the way of things.
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Post#124 » by Manocad » Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:16 am

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Manocad wrote:Did I just watch Troy Weaver say that it's always hard to tell what will happen with an ankle injury, that Cade's ankle was taking longer to heal than expected, and that he's day to day at this point? CRAZY!!! Now, other than someone going to the media every single day and saying "Cade is still day to day" until he is announced as being in the lineup for a game, what's a better answer?


he's not day to day, they've ruled him out for the next ten days. this is what the fans you mock are so annoyed about lol.

So let me see if I have this right...fans are annoyed that Cade's status was announced as day to day rather than being provided a specific timeline, and when a specific timeline of "out for ten days" is provided, these same fans are annoyed again?

THAT is why I laugh. And I'm not mocking people; I'm mocking their reactions. I'm sure everyone on this board is a fine, upstanding and productive member of society. Some just have some comical maturity issues. And when you throw those issues out on social media, well, smart azzes like me are going to jump on it. That's life, man. Look at it this way--I'm helping to make some of you stronger individuals.
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Post#125 » by Manocad » Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:21 am

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Manocad wrote:Knowing the severity of the injury relative to what was damaged is absolutely easy--x-rays, swelling, etc. But here's the part you're missing--the healing part is not only undetectable in some cases, but not guaranteed nor the same person to person. Why do you think doctors ask the patient how much something hurts? Because they can't determine that everything causing pain has healed.

Now, if you want to argue that the team milked it to sell tickets, have at it. Did you buy a ticket? No? Then you have no reason to be upset.



Maybe they should have chosen their words a little more carefully. The way they described it from the start shouldnt have been anywhere near enough to keep anyone out for at least a month.

And no, i didnt buy a ticket. However, misleading people to sell tickets is pretty scummy. I dont need to be duped by them to acknowledge that. Besides, who made you the authority on what people should or shouldnt be annoyed at?


I mean that's exactly why they were more or less ambiguous about this and not give out an exact date on when he's playing. They have the hype train going, no need to derail it with anything about him being kept out and lose out on potential revenue. It's basically a win win situation. Just keep fanning the flames of the hype and keep him healthy. Looks like it worked since tonight was a sellout according to the halftime show

it is scummy business and if this were a product, they'd probably get hit with some obscure consumer protection law but this is a show/entertainment biz so it's to be expected at this point

Keep your day job, chief. Clearly business law is not your forte. The team could have announced Cade was playing then made any excuse at GAME TIME for him to not play and there's nothing anyone can do. This HAS happened before in sports, specifically in instances where teams have a playoff spot clinched and rest their star players, often to the chagrin of fans. In the NBA this term is often call "load management;" perhaps you've heard of it.
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Post#126 » by DBC10 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:07 pm

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Maybe they should have chosen their words a little more carefully. The way they described it from the start shouldnt have been anywhere near enough to keep anyone out for at least a month.

And no, i didnt buy a ticket. However, misleading people to sell tickets is pretty scummy. I dont need to be duped by them to acknowledge that. Besides, who made you the authority on what people should or shouldnt be annoyed at?


I mean that's exactly why they were more or less ambiguous about this and not give out an exact date on when he's playing. They have the hype train going, no need to derail it with anything about him being kept out and lose out on potential revenue. It's basically a win win situation. Just keep fanning the flames of the hype and keep him healthy. Looks like it worked since tonight was a sellout according to the halftime show

it is scummy business and if this were a product, they'd probably get hit with some obscure consumer protection law but this is a show/entertainment biz so it's to be expected at this point


The team could have announced Cade was playing then made any excuse at GAME TIME for him to not play and there's nothing anyone can do.


Sure of course they can do it. No one said they couldn't do it. Only a segment of fans that were annoyed that this happened, but by and large it was still a soldout crowd, no doubt to the hype built by the summer prioritized on Cade. That's exactly why this isn't a product/item and it's completely allowed since you're still technically seeing him even if he's not playing & they're not just selling Cade but rather the team even though he's the face of the team. That's what I expect in the sports entertainment world. We're not in disagreement there

This HAS happened before in sports, specifically in instances where teams have a playoff spot clinched and rest their star players, often to the chagrin of fans. In the NBA this term is often call "load management;" perhaps you've heard of it.


No one is acting like this doesn't happen, certainly not me. I understand why they did it and I've said on this forum that this will be a minor blip in the radar when all said and done by all-star break. If I were to hazard a guess what likely happened right after they announced Cade had a "minor" ankle injury was he had continued setbacks (aka it still isn't 100%) and they didn't really have a timetable on when all of this would end. This was about as a no-lose option and a win-win for the org as it can get, it keeps a certain segment of the fans engaged, lights social media up a bit, and rides the Cade hype they built in the summer all the while Cade becomes healthy. Whether they wanted to or not due to Cade's nature of the injury with it being touch and go
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Post#127 » by whitehops » Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:46 pm

Manocad wrote:
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Manocad wrote:Did I just watch Troy Weaver say that it's always hard to tell what will happen with an ankle injury, that Cade's ankle was taking longer to heal than expected, and that he's day to day at this point? CRAZY!!! Now, other than someone going to the media every single day and saying "Cade is still day to day" until he is announced as being in the lineup for a game, what's a better answer?


he's not day to day, they've ruled him out for the next ten days. this is what the fans you mock are so annoyed about lol.

So let me see if I have this right...fans are annoyed that Cade's status was announced as day to day rather than being provided a specific timeline, and when a specific timeline of "out for ten days" is provided, these same fans are annoyed again?

THAT is why I laugh. And I'm not mocking people; I'm mocking their reactions. I'm sure everyone on this board is a fine, upstanding and productive member of society. Some just have some comical maturity issues. And when you throw those issues out on social media, well, smart azzes like me are going to jump on it. That's life, man. Look at it this way--I'm helping to make some of you stronger individuals.


Weaver went on the radio yesterday morning and said he was out for the next ten days. He then said in the pregame interview or whatever it was that was televised that he’s day to day.

I appreciate the ten day timeline. For people that didn’t listen to that radio show or read the report about it, if they’re watching the game they think Cade is coming back from injury in a couple days. That’s the annoying part.
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Post#128 » by Manocad » Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:23 pm

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he's not day to day, they've ruled him out for the next ten days. this is what the fans you mock are so annoyed about lol.

So let me see if I have this right...fans are annoyed that Cade's status was announced as day to day rather than being provided a specific timeline, and when a specific timeline of "out for ten days" is provided, these same fans are annoyed again?

THAT is why I laugh. And I'm not mocking people; I'm mocking their reactions. I'm sure everyone on this board is a fine, upstanding and productive member of society. Some just have some comical maturity issues. And when you throw those issues out on social media, well, smart azzes like me are going to jump on it. That's life, man. Look at it this way--I'm helping to make some of you stronger individuals.


Weaver went on the radio yesterday morning and said he was out for the next ten days. He then said in the pregame interview or whatever it was that was televised that he’s day to day.

I appreciate the ten day timeline. For people that didn’t listen to that radio show or read the report about it, if they’re watching the game they think Cade is coming back from injury in a couple days. That’s the annoying part.

And like I said, it's the being annoyed part that I don't find any sense in if you hadn't bought a ticket or made plans to attend the game solely to see Cade play. Because if you agree that Cade shouldn't play unless he's 100%, and I'm guessing the vast majority of us would agree because this isn't Game 7 of the NBA Finals, then being annoyed simply because the team didn't communicate the message to you in the manner you wanted is childish. Or what I suspect is the case with a few of the folks here, they thought Cade should play if it were at all possible for him to play because Cade and/or the team somehow OWED it them. Now, they can't come out and say that without sounding like a spoiled brat putting their own wants ahead of Cade's health, so they concoct a conspiracy about covering up a more serious injury, deliberately misleading fans in order to sell more tickets on opening night, etc. That way they have a reason to criticize the organization without having to admit they're just being immature.

In any case, the utmost priority should be given to Cade not playing until he's 100% because this isn't an elimination playoff game situation, e.g. Isiah Thomas in the '88 Finals. So when Cade's 100% he's going to play and not before then; it's as simple as that. If the manner in which you're provided updates along the way is of great consternation to you then I'd suggest you do some evaluation of your priorities. That's certainly not a worthwhile cause for putting energy into. Plus if you put energy into it by complaining here, you get...me. That's like swinging at a pitch you were never going to hit AND hitting yourself in the head with the bat.
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Post#129 » by DetroitSho » Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:51 pm

Manocad wrote:
whitehops wrote:
Manocad wrote:So let me see if I have this right...fans are annoyed that Cade's status was announced as day to day rather than being provided a specific timeline, and when a specific timeline of "out for ten days" is provided, these same fans are annoyed again?

THAT is why I laugh. And I'm not mocking people; I'm mocking their reactions. I'm sure everyone on this board is a fine, upstanding and productive member of society. Some just have some comical maturity issues. And when you throw those issues out on social media, well, smart azzes like me are going to jump on it. That's life, man. Look at it this way--I'm helping to make some of you stronger individuals.


Weaver went on the radio yesterday morning and said he was out for the next ten days. He then said in the pregame interview or whatever it was that was televised that he’s day to day.

I appreciate the ten day timeline. For people that didn’t listen to that radio show or read the report about it, if they’re watching the game they think Cade is coming back from injury in a couple days. That’s the annoying part.

And like I said, it's the being annoyed part that I don't find any sense in if you hadn't bought a ticket or made plans to attend the game solely to see Cade play. Because if you agree that Cade shouldn't play unless he's 100%, and I'm guessing the vast majority of us would agree because this isn't Game 7 of the NBA Finals, then being annoyed simply because the team didn't communicate the message to you in the manner you wanted is childish. Or what I suspect is the case with a few of the folks here, they thought Cade should play if it were at all possible for him to play because Cade and/or the team somehow OWED it them. Now, they can't come out and say that without sounding like a spoiled brat putting their own wants ahead of Cade's health, so they concoct a conspiracy about covering up a more serious injury, deliberately misleading fans in order to sell more tickets on opening night, etc. That way they have a reason to criticize the organization without having to admit they're just being immature.

In any case, the utmost priority should be given to Cade not playing until he's 100% because this isn't an elimination playoff game situation, e.g. Isiah Thomas in the '88 Finals. So when Cade's 100% he's going to play and not before then; it's as simple as that. If the manner in which you're provided updates along the way is of great consternation to you then I'd suggest you do some evaluation of your priorities. That's certainly not a worthwhile cause for putting energy into. Plus if you put energy into it by complaining here, you get...me. That's like swinging at a pitch you were never going to hit AND hitting yourself in the head with the bat.
I admire your willingness to go scorched Earth on everything. I ran outta energy on the "oh no, we're not tanking and OKC's gonna catch us" debate. Lol I just don't have it anymore bro.

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Post#130 » by Manocad » Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:54 pm

DetroitSho wrote:
Manocad wrote:
whitehops wrote:
Weaver went on the radio yesterday morning and said he was out for the next ten days. He then said in the pregame interview or whatever it was that was televised that he’s day to day.

I appreciate the ten day timeline. For people that didn’t listen to that radio show or read the report about it, if they’re watching the game they think Cade is coming back from injury in a couple days. That’s the annoying part.

And like I said, it's the being annoyed part that I don't find any sense in if you hadn't bought a ticket or made plans to attend the game solely to see Cade play. Because if you agree that Cade shouldn't play unless he's 100%, and I'm guessing the vast majority of us would agree because this isn't Game 7 of the NBA Finals, then being annoyed simply because the team didn't communicate the message to you in the manner you wanted is childish. Or what I suspect is the case with a few of the folks here, they thought Cade should play if it were at all possible for him to play because Cade and/or the team somehow OWED it them. Now, they can't come out and say that without sounding like a spoiled brat putting their own wants ahead of Cade's health, so they concoct a conspiracy about covering up a more serious injury, deliberately misleading fans in order to sell more tickets on opening night, etc. That way they have a reason to criticize the organization without having to admit they're just being immature.

In any case, the utmost priority should be given to Cade not playing until he's 100% because this isn't an elimination playoff game situation, e.g. Isiah Thomas in the '88 Finals. So when Cade's 100% he's going to play and not before then; it's as simple as that. If the manner in which you're provided updates along the way is of great consternation to you then I'd suggest you do some evaluation of your priorities. That's certainly not a worthwhile cause for putting energy into. Plus if you put energy into it by complaining here, you get...me. That's like swinging at a pitch you were never going to hit AND hitting yourself in the head with the bat.
I admire your willingness to go scorched Earth on everything. I ran outta energy on the "oh no, we're not tanking and OKC's gonna catch us" debate. Lol I just don't have it anymore bro.

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Post#131 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:52 pm

Think about all that money the team made misleading people to thinking Cade will play!
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Post#132 » by potatoaim » Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:16 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Think about all that money the team made misleading people to thinking Cade will play!



Considering LCA has been empty since the place opened, they probably made a lot more than usual...
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Post#133 » by Invictus88 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:18 pm

I. Just. Don't. Understand.

Being upset at the Pistons for Cade not playing due to a lingering injury is like being upset at anyone in particular because it happens to be raining outside.

Each outcome is about as predictable as the other and is subject to change at a moment's notice. Weather patterns change all the time; if Cade tests out his ankle and it looks like it is improving one day that doesn't mean he won't have a setback or soreness the next. Do you want them to just stop reporting information overall until they can be 100% certain in their diagnoses?

And as far as conspiracy theories about misleading people. What would you expect the team to say? "Piston fans. You might want to reconsider buying tickets from us because there's a chance that Cade might not play." ???

What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team?

Finally, it wasn't ever a gametime decision either. It was known he was going to be out at 3:49 PM PST on 10/19. That's a full 24 hours before the game even started.

Anyone who buys a ticket to a sporting event has to assume that there is a chance that particular people won't play due to extenuating circumstances. It has always been this way for the history of... forever.
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Post#134 » by mattao313 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:30 pm

Invictus88 wrote:I. Just. Don't. Understand.

Being upset at the Pistons for Cade not playing due to a lingering injury is like being upset at anyone in particular because it happens to be raining outside.

Each outcome is about as predictable as the other and is subject to change at a moment's notice. Weather patterns change all the time; if Cade tests out his ankle and it looks like it is improving one day that doesn't mean he won't have a setback or soreness the next. Do you want them to just stop reporting information overall until they can be 100% certain in their diagnoses?

And as far as conspiracy theories about misleading people. What would you expect the team to say? "Piston fans. You might want to reconsider buying tickets from us because there's a chance that Cade might not play." ???

What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team?

Finally, it wasn't ever a gametime decision either. It was known he was going to be out at 3:49 PM PST on 10/19. That's a full 24 hours before the game even started.

Anyone who buys a ticket to a sporting event has to assume that there is a chance that particular people won't play due to extenuating circumstances. It has always been this way for the history of... forever.
No one is arguing play him hurt. The gripe was about how he has be hurt for a month with a ankle roll. Instead of just giving a time of recovery like any other time they kept giving a possibility he'd play games. They could have just said he'd be out for 3-4 week and been done with it.

That's where the conspiracies come from not like teams don't hide things at times.

Being surprised about fans being upset about not knowing when the #1 pick is playing is silly.

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Post#135 » by Invictus88 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:38 pm

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Invictus88 wrote:I. Just. Don't. Understand.

Being upset at the Pistons for Cade not playing due to a lingering injury is like being upset at anyone in particular because it happens to be raining outside.

Each outcome is about as predictable as the other and is subject to change at a moment's notice. Weather patterns change all the time; if Cade tests out his ankle and it looks like it is improving one day that doesn't mean he won't have a setback or soreness the next. Do you want them to just stop reporting information overall until they can be 100% certain in their diagnoses?

And as far as conspiracy theories about misleading people. What would you expect the team to say? "Piston fans. You might want to reconsider buying tickets from us because there's a chance that Cade might not play." ???

What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team?

Finally, it wasn't ever a gametime decision either. It was known he was going to be out at 3:49 PM PST on 10/19. That's a full 24 hours before the game even started.

Anyone who buys a ticket to a sporting event has to assume that there is a chance that particular people won't play due to extenuating circumstances. It has always been this way for the history of... forever.
No one is arguing play him hurt. The gripe was about how he has be hurt for a month with a ankle roll. Instead of just giving a time of recovery like any other time they kept giving a possibility he'd play games. They could have just said he'd be out for 3-4 week and been done with it.

That's where the conspiracies come from not like teams don't hide things at times.

Being surprised about fans being upset about not knowing when the #1 pick is playing is silly.

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Or... they looked at his ankle and didn't think it would take that long to heal... so then they said he'd recover soon... and then they got more information afterwards via testing him or whatever that he wasn't progressing so they said it would take longer.... so then they said as much... and then maybe he looked better at some point after that... so they reported about that too??

How on earth is that not a plausible and very likely scenario? Instead of: Oh, the Pistons must be purposely misleading people to sell tickets on opening night (which I might add would likely have done quite well anyway Cade or no Cade).

I hate to break it to you but Weaver and Casey have far more important things to do right now than to be scheming about how to dupe Pistons fans about injury statuses.

So yeah. It is silly to be upset at the Pistons for Cade not playing. And the point you are making is silly as well.
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Post#136 » by mattao313 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:46 pm

Invictus88 wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
Invictus88 wrote:I. Just. Don't. Understand.

Being upset at the Pistons for Cade not playing due to a lingering injury is like being upset at anyone in particular because it happens to be raining outside.

Each outcome is about as predictable as the other and is subject to change at a moment's notice. Weather patterns change all the time; if Cade tests out his ankle and it looks like it is improving one day that doesn't mean he won't have a setback or soreness the next. Do you want them to just stop reporting information overall until they can be 100% certain in their diagnoses?

And as far as conspiracy theories about misleading people. What would you expect the team to say? "Piston fans. You might want to reconsider buying tickets from us because there's a chance that Cade might not play." ???

What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team?

Finally, it wasn't ever a gametime decision either. It was known he was going to be out at 3:49 PM PST on 10/19. That's a full 24 hours before the game even started.

Anyone who buys a ticket to a sporting event has to assume that there is a chance that particular people won't play due to extenuating circumstances. It has always been this way for the history of... forever.
No one is arguing play him hurt. The gripe was about how he has be hurt for a month with a ankle roll. Instead of just giving a time of recovery like any other time they kept giving a possibility he'd play games. They could have just said he'd be out for 3-4 week and been done with it.

That's where the conspiracies come from not like teams don't hide things at times.

Being surprised about fans being upset about not knowing when the #1 pick is playing is silly.

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Or... they looked at his ankle and didn't think it would take that long to heal... so then they said he'd recover soon... and then they got more information afterwards via testing him or whatever that he wasn't progressing so they said it would take longer.... so then they said as much... and then maybe he looked better at some point after that... so they reported about that too??

How on earth is that not a plausible and very likely scenario? Instead of: Oh, the Pistons must be purposely misleading people to sell tickets on opening night (which I might add would likely have done quite well anyway Cade or no Cade).

I hate to break it to you but Weaver and Casey have far more important things to do right now than to be scheming about how to dupe Pistons fans about injury statuses.

So yeah. It is silly to be upset at the Pistons for Cade not playing. And the point you are making is silly as well.
Ok so you believe sports doctors can't give a estimate of recovery for one of the most common injuries in basketball?

Sorry but that's hard to believe.

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Re: Cade's agent and 

Post#137 » by Invictus88 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:49 pm

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mattao313 wrote:No one is arguing play him hurt. The gripe was about how he has be hurt for a month with a ankle roll. Instead of just giving a time of recovery like any other time they kept giving a possibility he'd play games. They could have just said he'd be out for 3-4 week and been done with it.

That's where the conspiracies come from not like teams don't hide things at times.

Being surprised about fans being upset about not knowing when the #1 pick is playing is silly.

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Or... they looked at his ankle and didn't think it would take that long to heal... so then they said he'd recover soon... and then they got more information afterwards via testing him or whatever that he wasn't progressing so they said it would take longer.... so then they said as much... and then maybe he looked better at some point after that... so they reported about that too??

How on earth is that not a plausible and very likely scenario? Instead of: Oh, the Pistons must be purposely misleading people to sell tickets on opening night (which I might add would likely have done quite well anyway Cade or no Cade).

I hate to break it to you but Weaver and Casey have far more important things to do right now than to be scheming about how to dupe Pistons fans about injury statuses.

So yeah. It is silly to be upset at the Pistons for Cade not playing. And the point you are making is silly as well.
Ok so you believe sports doctors can't give a estimate of recovery for one of the most common injuries in basketball?

Sorry but that's hard to believe.

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Okay, so you don't believe that a player's prognosis can ever change from one day to the next? Or even by the hour?

I want to know what area you live in where doctors can completely predict the future about a person's health status such that they are always accurate from the jump. It must be wonderful to never have any surprises when it comes to health outcomes...
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Re: Cade's agent and 

Post#138 » by Manocad » Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:50 pm

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Invictus88 wrote:I. Just. Don't. Understand.

Being upset at the Pistons for Cade not playing due to a lingering injury is like being upset at anyone in particular because it happens to be raining outside.

Each outcome is about as predictable as the other and is subject to change at a moment's notice. Weather patterns change all the time; if Cade tests out his ankle and it looks like it is improving one day that doesn't mean he won't have a setback or soreness the next. Do you want them to just stop reporting information overall until they can be 100% certain in their diagnoses?

And as far as conspiracy theories about misleading people. What would you expect the team to say? "Piston fans. You might want to reconsider buying tickets from us because there's a chance that Cade might not play." ???

What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team?

Finally, it wasn't ever a gametime decision either. It was known he was going to be out at 3:49 PM PST on 10/19. That's a full 24 hours before the game even started.

Anyone who buys a ticket to a sporting event has to assume that there is a chance that particular people won't play due to extenuating circumstances. It has always been this way for the history of... forever.
No one is arguing play him hurt. The gripe was about how he has be hurt for a month with a ankle roll. Instead of just giving a time of recovery like any other time they kept giving a possibility he'd play games. They could have just said he'd be out for 3-4 week and been done with it.

That's where the conspiracies come from not like teams don't hide things at times.

Being surprised about fans being upset about not knowing when the #1 pick is playing is silly.

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Let me try this again...there is nothing definitive about a rolled/twisted/sprained ankle other than 1) it's not broken (verified by x-rays) and 2) the swelling is gone (verified visually/by touch). No doctor anywhere can tell any patient "It's going to hurt for two days then be back to normal" or "It's going to hurt for 4 weeks then be back to normal." That's why the term "day to day" exists. I'd bet my house Cade got asked EVERY SINGLE DAY "How's it feeling today?" while his ankle was examined. And unfortunately the answer--by whatever criteria the team uses--was obviously "Nope, not today. It still needs time." Whether that's because Cade said it still hurt a little but wanted to play and the team said "Nope, not if you have any pain, period" or because some swelling still remained, who knows. The severity of rolled/twisted/sprained ankles varies as well as the recovery time based not only on the severity, but the individual. Some people are fast healers and some aren't. No doctor can pinpoint that.

Also again...no one is surprised that people are pissed off about it. People get pissed off about dumb stuff all the time. But if you're going to put it out on social media, then people who get a kick out of the "Lighten up, Francis" moments are going to call it out. No one is saying anyone doesn't have a right to be irritated and splatter it all over this forum. But if some us think it's entertaining to make fun of that irritation, we also have that right. Deal with it. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
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Re: Cade's agent and 

Post#139 » by Manocad » Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:53 pm

mattao313 wrote:
Invictus88 wrote:
mattao313 wrote:No one is arguing play him hurt. The gripe was about how he has be hurt for a month with a ankle roll. Instead of just giving a time of recovery like any other time they kept giving a possibility he'd play games. They could have just said he'd be out for 3-4 week and been done with it.

That's where the conspiracies come from not like teams don't hide things at times.

Being surprised about fans being upset about not knowing when the #1 pick is playing is silly.

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Or... they looked at his ankle and didn't think it would take that long to heal... so then they said he'd recover soon... and then they got more information afterwards via testing him or whatever that he wasn't progressing so they said it would take longer.... so then they said as much... and then maybe he looked better at some point after that... so they reported about that too??

How on earth is that not a plausible and very likely scenario? Instead of: Oh, the Pistons must be purposely misleading people to sell tickets on opening night (which I might add would likely have done quite well anyway Cade or no Cade).

I hate to break it to you but Weaver and Casey have far more important things to do right now than to be scheming about how to dupe Pistons fans about injury statuses.

So yeah. It is silly to be upset at the Pistons for Cade not playing. And the point you are making is silly as well.
Ok so you believe sports doctors can't give a estimate of recovery for one of the most common injuries in basketball?

Sorry but that's hard to believe.

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When the doctors are saying "We don't know, it's day to day" and you, non-doctor internet poster says "I don't believe you because that's a common injury"...you're losing that argument all day erry day, chief.
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Re: Cade's agent and "team" coming to Detroit to meet with Weaver about when he can start playing. 

Post#140 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:13 am

Team coulda had him come in for 5 minutes off the bench to satisfy people.
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