The Trade Thread

[ComboGuardCity]

Monroe is worth more than the lakers's scraps.

[MotownMadness]

I just want to get ahold of some of those young guys from the Lakers. Bazemore, Marshall, Meeks, Brooks or Johnson. Most of them are FAs but if the Lakers resign them then maybe we can work out a trade with them were we get 3 of those guys for Monroe.

The Lakers are likely to renounce them, maybe not Marshall but probably the rest so we could just sign them outright.

And we should instead of worrying about finding the biggest name we can. We need to just waive Jerebko and few others or something and sign a couple of these young shooters.

[MotownMadness]

Monroe is worth more than the lakers's scraps.

He is but those guys aren't just scraps in my opinion. If we could get Marshall, Meeks and Bazemore then that's not bad. But they are FAs so it would be dumb. Here's their stats this season-

Marshall: 9ppg, 9.5apg, 42 fg%, 44 3fg%

Meeks: 15ppg, 46 fg%, 40 3fg%

Bazemore: 16.5ppg, 3.5rpg, 3apg, 46 fg%, 44 3fg% (through 8 games with the Lakers)

[jakebernat]

I know Billups money for next year isn't guaranteed, I believe we can drop Siva as well, Jerebko has a player option that's 50/50 if he's going to pick it up in my opinion, Jorts has a team option but at that price I think we should keep him. Can we drop Datome? I thought I heard we could, if so we could have as much as $27M in cap space if we renounce Monroe, maybe $25M if we get our pick, we could fix this mess in one summer if done right.

there is a 0% chance that we renounce monroe.
other than that, i could see the new GM declining chauncey's option (who then takes a role in the front office,) jerebko absolutely accepting his player option, and us picking up jorts' option. i'm pretty sure gigi's contract is fully guaranteed.

[jakebernat]

Monroe is worth more than the lakers's scraps.

exactly what i was thinking.

[jakebernat]

Monroe is worth more than the lakers's scraps.

He is but those guys aren't just scraps in my opinion. If we could get Marshall, Meeks and Bazemore then that's not bad. But they are FAs so it would be dumb. Here's their stats this season-

Marshall: 9ppg, 9.5apg, 42 fg%, 44 3fg%

Meeks: 15ppg, 46 fg%, 40 3fg%

Bazemore: 16.5ppg, 3.5rpg, 3apg, 46 fg%, 44 3fg% (through 8 games with the Lakers)

and those numbers have lead to how many wins exactly?

[MotownMadness]

Monroe is worth more than the lakers's scraps.

He is but those guys aren't just scraps in my opinion. If we could get Marshall, Meeks and Bazemore then that's not bad. But they are FAs so it would be dumb. Here's their stats this season-

Marshall: 9ppg, 9.5apg, 42 fg%, 44 3fg%

Meeks: 15ppg, 46 fg%, 40 3fg%

Bazemore: 16.5ppg, 3.5rpg, 3apg, 46 fg%, 44 3fg% (through 8 games with the Lakers)

and those numbers have lead to how many wins exactly?

And How many wins have Monroe's numbers lead too exactly? The Lakers are in the Western conference playing with a whole team of youngsters that have not started before and they have 3 less wins then us.

[sc8581]

I know Billups money for next year isn't guaranteed, I believe we can drop Siva as well, Jerebko has a player option that's 50/50 if he's going to pick it up in my opinion, Jorts has a team option but at that price I think we should keep him. Can we drop Datome? I thought I heard we could, if so we could have as much as $27M in cap space if we renounce Monroe, maybe $25M if we get our pick, we could fix this mess in one summer if done right.

there is a 0% chance that we renounce monroe.
other than that, i could see the new GM declining chauncey's option (who then takes a role in the front office,) jerebko absolutely accepting his player option, and us picking up jorts' option. i'm pretty sure gigi's contract is fully guaranteed.

That's just not true, if our new GM can sign somebody better we have no reason not to renounce him. Jerebko might decline his PO to get a longer deal, not a given but very possible.

[jakebernat]

And How many wins have Monroe's numbers lead too exactly? The Lakers are in the Western conference playing with a whole team of youngsters that have not started before and they have 3 less wins then us.

monroe is playing with a gunning PG and a PF masqueraded as a SF who thinks he can shoot the lights out. maybe we could get away with having one of them, but having both on the same team is cancerous. you can't just look at the pistons record and blame it on moose.
the lakers, on the other hand, are just a bad all-around team with guys putting up inflated numbers in d'antoni's system. you can't seriously think that's a good return for monroe.

[ComboGuardCity]

I know Billups money for next year isn't guaranteed, I believe we can drop Siva as well, Jerebko has a player option that's 50/50 if he's going to pick it up in my opinion, Jorts has a team option but at that price I think we should keep him. Can we drop Datome? I thought I heard we could, if so we could have as much as $27M in cap space if we renounce Monroe, maybe $25M if we get our pick, we could fix this mess in one summer if done right.

there is a 0% chance that we renounce monroe.
other than that, i could see the new GM declining chauncey's option (who then takes a role in the front office,) jerebko absolutely accepting his player option, and us picking up jorts' option. i'm pretty sure gigi's contract is fully guaranteed.

That's just not true, if our new GM can sign somebody better we have no reason not to renounce him. Jerebko might decline his PO to get a longer deal, not a given but very possible.

The only player worth renouncing Monroe to sign is Lebron. He's not coming here. Your statement is just odd and not thought out.

[Dirtgrain]

And How many wins have Monroe's numbers lead too exactly? The Lakers are in the Western conference playing with a whole team of youngsters that have not started before and they have 3 less wins then us.

By that logic, we could give them Drummond, too.

[MotownMadness]

And How many wins have Monroe's numbers lead too exactly? The Lakers are in the Western conference playing with a whole team of youngsters that have not started before and they have 3 less wins then us.

By that logic, we could give them Drummond, too.

Actually thats his logic, Please read what im talking about before you respond. He said those young player's stats that I wrote down dont mean much because it hasnt led to wins. So I used the same logic for Monroe and I guess we cant do that lol.

[MotownMadness]

And How many wins have Monroe's numbers lead too exactly? The Lakers are in the Western conference playing with a whole team of youngsters that have not started before and they have 3 less wins then us.

monroe is playing with a gunning PG and a PF masqueraded as a SF who thinks he can shoot the lights out. maybe we could get away with having one of them, but having both on the same team is cancerous. you can't just look at the pistons record and blame it on moose.
the lakers, on the other hand, are just a bad all-around team with guys putting up inflated numbers in d'antoni's system. you can't seriously think that's a good return for monroe.

Im not blaming anything on Monroe. I like Monroe and hate the two chuckers destroying this team. But you said those young guys onbthe Lakers stats havent contributed to wins. All I did was state that neither has Monroe. And now your going to turn it around like I just started bashing Moose out of nowhere. Also Monroe was a #1 option on this team last year and put up really good numbers that didnt lead to anything more then us getting blew out every night. So dont make excuses for our guy and act like theres none for other young productive players.

[Q00]

there is a 0% chance that we renounce monroe.
other than that, i could see the new GM declining chauncey's option (who then takes a role in the front office,) jerebko absolutely accepting his player option, and us picking up jorts' option. i'm pretty sure gigi's contract is fully guaranteed.

That's just not true, if our new GM can sign somebody better we have no reason not to renounce him. Jerebko might decline his PO to get a longer deal, not a given but very possible.

The only player worth renouncing Monroe to sign is Lebron. He's not coming here. Your statement is just odd and not thought out.

Carmelo could be available though and if he were interested in signing here, and all it took was renouncing Monroe, you absolutely do it.

With this Phil situation now, if he ends up as our President instead of with the Knicks, there's always a chance he could attract Melo here. Most likely that would not happen, but its not 0% chance.

[jakebernat]

And How many wins have Monroe's numbers lead too exactly? The Lakers are in the Western conference playing with a whole team of youngsters that have not started before and they have 3 less wins then us.

By that logic, we could give them Drummond, too.

Actually thats his logic, Please read what im talking about before you respond. He said those young player's stats that I wrote down dont mean much because it hasnt led to wins. So I used the same logic for Monroe and I guess we cant do that lol.

settle down. you're getting a little too riled up.

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[jakebernat]

Im not blaming anything on Monroe. I like Monroe and hate the two chuckers destroying this team. But you said those young guys onbthe Lakers stats havent contributed to wins. All I did was state that neither has Monroe. And now your going to turn it around like I just started bashing Moose out of nowhere. Also Monroe was a #1 option on this team last year and put up really good numbers that didnt lead to anything more then us getting blew out every night. So dont make excuses for our guy and act like theres none for other young productive players.

the pistons last year and the pistons this year are two terrible teams for completely different reasons. Monroe is a legitimate go-to option in the post at the center position. you don't trade that guy for a collection of d-leaguers and undrafted players ESPECIALLY when their stats are inflated because of the system that play in. your trade just sells moose unbelievably short.

[MotownMadness]

By that logic, we could give them Drummond, too.

Actually thats his logic, Please read what im talking about before you respond. He said those young player's stats that I wrote down dont mean much because it hasnt led to wins. So I used the same logic for Monroe and I guess we cant do that lol.

settle down. you're getting a little too riled up.

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Not at all

[MotownMadness]

Im not blaming anything on Monroe. I like Monroe and hate the two chuckers destroying this team. But you said those young guys onbthe Lakers stats havent contributed to wins. All I did was state that neither has Monroe. And now your going to turn it around like I just started bashing Moose out of nowhere. Also Monroe was a #1 option on this team last year and put up really good numbers that didnt lead to anything more then us getting blew out every night. So dont make excuses for our guy and act like theres none for other young productive players.

the pistons last year and the pistons this year are two terrible teams for completely different reasons. Monroe is a legitimate go-to option in the post at the center position. you don't trade that guy for a collection of d-leaguers and undrafted players ESPECIALLY when their stats are inflated because of the system that play in. your trade just sells moose unbelievably short.

Like I said, Monroe is a good player but anyone whos watched him over the years knows he doesnt really impact the game in terms of wins. He is great scoring in the low post but hes also a bit soft and not really some clutch player who will carry his team through a 4th qtr when the defense kicks up. He also gives back just as many points as he scores.

Like I said hes good player but hes more then likely a role player on a championship team. Does he really impact the game anymore then players like Hawes, Scola or guys like that? Maybe the trade I said is selling him short but we should look to trade him for some young shooters that will be much cheaper and more beneficial to the team.

[jakebernat]

Like I said, Monroe is a good player but anyone whos watched him over the years knows he doesnt really impact the game in terms of wins.

okay, that is just simply untrue. it's ridiculous to even entertain the thought that monroe doesn't contribute to wins. if that were true, he wouldn't be so highly coveted around the league.

the main reason for monroe's deficiencies, particularly on the defensive end, stem from his inability to defend PF's. at center, however, he's much more effective as he allows his opponent to a PER of 15, the league average, as opposed to the PER of 20.4 that he gives up against PF's. it's not moose's fault that he's forced to play PF next to a raw talent in drummond and a true PF in smith. we are beating a dead horse at this point. i don't know why this is such a foreign concept to some people.

and scola and hawes? really?? monroe is a better rebounder, passer, and scorer than those guys, and that's what they are known for. moose is even arguably a better defender, not that that's saying much, but it's not right to put those guys on the same tier as monroe.

the only thing i agree with you on is the fact that we need perimeter players in return for monroe to balance out the roster. we can do MUCH better than marshall, meeks, and bazemore though....

[MotownMadness]

Like I said, Monroe is a good player but anyone whos watched him over the years knows he doesnt really impact the game in terms of wins.

okay, that is just simply untrue. it's ridiculous to even entertain the thought that monroe doesn't contribute to wins. if that were true, he wouldn't be so highly coveted around the league.

the main reason for monroe's deficiencies, particularly on the defensive end, stem from his inability to defend PF's. at center, however, he's much more effective as he allows his opponent to a PER of 15, the league average, as opposed to the PER of 20.4 that he gives up against PF's. it's not moose's fault that he's forced to play PF next to a raw talent in drummond and a true PF in smith. we are beating a dead horse at this point. i don't know why this is such a foreign concept to some people.

and scola and hawes? really?? monroe is a better rebounder, passer, and scorer than those guys, and that's what they are known for. moose is even arguably a better defender, not that that's saying much, but it's not right to put those guys on the same tier as monroe.

the only thing i agree with you on is the fact that we need perimeter players in return for monroe to balance out the roster. we can do MUCH better than marshall, meeks, and bazemore though....

How highly coveted do you really think he is? Teams will want him But not at the price hes Iooking for. Ive yet to even see a fan base of another team want to give up any good assets for him because of his defense.

Even saying hes way better than Hawes and Scola can be debated. Hes a better down low scorer than Hawes but Hawes is a much better jump shooter and can hit the 3 point shot pretty well. Monroe might be a better rebounder than Hawes but not by much. Hawes is more of a shot blocker then Monroe as well. So while I do think Monroe is the better player I dont think he impacts the game anymore then him. They are both bad defenders and they both have theyre own strengths on offense. Except one of them is about to get paid alot more.