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bstein14 · Post #1361 » by **bstein14** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:58 am

I thought Illy was really solid for us when he was a starter on our team. He played really good team defense (although not great man to man) and he was our best 3 point shooter. I understand why some were happy to see him go because he was a starter for us when in reality he's best in a reserve roll but I think if I had to choose I'd take Illy given what I've seen. Jon needs to up his 3PT % to 38 or 39% for me to take him over what Illy brought us.

tmorgan · Post #1362 » by **tmorgan** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:43 am

Have you forgotten the problems Ilyasova has? He pump faked out of wide open shots constantly... it's not surprising he shoots a good percentage when he won't shoot if there's anyone within 10 feet of him.

He's a decent enough player, but Leuer is clearly more versatile and better.

bballnmike · Post #1363 » by **bballnmike** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:48 pm

Hadn't seen this mentioned here yet, but pretty interesting. With the switch to Nike jerseys next year, the NBA and Nike will be ditching traditional home (white) and away jerseys, instead each team can choose from 1 of their 4 jerseys for default home games. Away team just has to choose a contrasting color. Wasn't sure if this deserved its own thread (maybe once ours are actually released)

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More details (supposedly lighter and made partially from recycled plastic bottles) : http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20094879/new-uniform-provider-nike-unveils-lighter-nba-jersey

first look

BadMofoPimp · Post #1364 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:44 pm

Pistons missed out on Derrick Walton Jr as he just signed with Miami. He played great in Summer League.

tmorgan · Post #1365 » by **tmorgan** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:00 pm

Our long time almost project Lorenzo Brown got a 2-way with the Raps.

Good for him, because I didn't ever want him on the roster. :-)

Too much of his own offense, kinda like Will Bynum but bigger, much slower, and thinner.

MotownMadness · Post #1366 » by **MotownMadness** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:36 pm

Poor Knight does seem to have a **** cloud overhead man, Torn ACL.

hoophabit · Post #1367 » by **hoophabit** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:47 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Pistons missed out on Derrick Walton Jr as he just signed with Miami. He played great in Summer League.

Wouldn't be any point, he only has a 6'2" wingspan. ;-)

tmorgan · Post #1368 » by **tmorgan** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:15 pm

hoophabit wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Pistons missed out on Derrick Walton Jr as he just signed with Miami. He played great in Summer League.

Wouldn't be any point, he only has a 6'2" wingspan.

Walton is highly skilled and a good leader, but he's not a real NBA player. Think Mateen Cleaves.

jakebernat · Post #1369 » by **jakebernat** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:30 am

Afflalo signs with the magic for the vet's minimum.

I'm honestly kind of shocked there wasn't a serious market for him. Does he have some kind of chronic injury I don't remember hearing about?

coordinator0 · Post #1370 » by **coordinator0** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:34 am

jakebernat wrote:Afflalo signs with the magic for the vet's minimum.

I'm honestly kind of shocked there wasn't a serious market for him. Does he have some kind of chronic injury I don't remember hearing about?

He's not good anymore.

jakebernat · Post #1371 » by **jakebernat** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:37 am

MotownMadness wrote:Poor Knight does seem to have a **** cloud overhead man, Torn ACL.

Legitimately feel bad for the guy. He's been miscasted his whole career and is mostly known for getting obliterated by DJ and crosses up by Kyrie. He always gave full effort on both ends and seemed to be a hardworking guy

jakebernat · Post #1372 » by **jakebernat** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:39 am

coordinator0 wrote:
jakebernat wrote:Afflalo signs with the magic for the vet's minimum.

I'm honestly kind of shocked there wasn't a serious market for him. Does he have some kind of chronic injury I don't remember hearing about?

He's not good anymore.

It's not like the guy forgot how to play basketball. I find it hard to believe that he couldn't fetch more than a minimum offer, he's not far removed from being one of the better 3&D wings in the league

tmorgan · Post #1373 » by **tmorgan** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:16 pm

I think Afflalo suffers a bit for being a "go your own way" kind of guy. He's certainly not a troublemaker, but he's not a leader, either. Just does his job and departs.

Pharaoh · Post #1374 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:00 am

Imma put this in here since I don't think it deserves it's own thread:

The Kyrie situation!

To me it's no surprise and not unlike the Reggie Jackson situation in OKC

Hear me out:

You take a young guy and put him beside great players.

He works to improve and develop his game, watching "greatness" up close and personal every day.

Plane rides, bus rides, shoot arounds, practices, training camps, locker rooms, hotels...we see very little of the interaction on a daily basis.

Given that Westbrook, KD & Lebron are all on some other level how does this daily interaction change a young player?

Every day you are pushed to be better, to take on the big dogs, to compete at the highest level...

At what point should we expect a young player to turn around and say "I want my own team"?

It's been 3 years for Kyrie

People say Kyrie doesn't care about winning - that's like saying Kobe didn't care about winning IMO

Being on a great team as the #2 is not the same as being #1...

And if people are gonna hate Durant for joining GS then those same people should be praising Kyrie for wanting his own squad.

The easy way would be to stay in Cleveland and be Lebron's #2....if Lebron leaves he's got a ready made excuse why they can't win, surrounded by the old vet role players Lebron left him

If Kyrie leaves and doesn't win? That's the hard way!

Fans can hate the way it's been handled by all sides but IMO what Kyrie is attempting to do should be commended.

And if we're honest he owes it to himself to attempt this. At least he's got the balls to go for it

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tmorgan · Post #1375 » by **tmorgan** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:58 am

Pharaoh wrote:If Kyrie leaves and doesn't win? That's the hard way!

Fans can hate the way it's been handled by all sides but IMO what Kyrie is attempting to do should be commended.

And if we're honest he owes it to himself to attempt this. At least he's got the balls to go for it

I agree with all this, but Kyrie is gonna fail miserably. His elite skills are ball handling and shot creating (and making). He's an average passer and a bad defender. He's Allen Iverson with less speed and toughness and a better handle and shot. He's not going to win anything with his own team unless it isn't really his own team and it's built around someone else better.

He has his ring, I don't blame him for wanting individual glory. But he's walking away from a good situation because he doesn't want to be a second banana. It is what it is.

Pharaoh · Post #1376 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:30 am

tmorgan wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:If Kyrie leaves and doesn't win? That's the hard way!

Fans can hate the way it's been handled by all sides but IMO what Kyrie is attempting to do should be commended.

And if we're honest he owes it to himself to attempt this. At least he's got the balls to go for it

I agree with all this, but Kyrie is gonna fail miserably. His elite skills are ball handling and shot creating (and making). He's an average passer and a bad defender. He's Allen Iverson with less speed and toughness and a better handle and shot. He's not going to win anything with his own team unless it isn't really his own team and it's built around someone else better.

He has his ring, I don't blame him for wanting individual glory. But he's walking away from a good situation because he doesn't want to be a second banana. It is what it is.

Does it matter if he fails though?

I honestly don't think it matters to him if he fails as the #1 - it's about being that guy on his team.

Part of it is ego but part of it would be the competitor inside him too

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Scottgaf · Post #1377 » by **Scottgaf** » Wed Aug 2, 2017 4:41 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
tmorgan wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:If Kyrie leaves and doesn't win? That's the hard way!

Fans can hate the way it's been handled by all sides but IMO what Kyrie is attempting to do should be commended.

And if we're honest he owes it to himself to attempt this. At least he's got the balls to go for it

I agree with all this, but Kyrie is gonna fail miserably. His elite skills are ball handling and shot creating (and making). He's an average passer and a bad defender. He's Allen Iverson with less speed and toughness and a better handle and shot. He's not going to win anything with his own team unless it isn't really his own team and it's built around someone else better.

He has his ring, I don't blame him for wanting individual glory. But he's walking away from a good situation because he doesn't want to be a second banana. It is what it is.

Does it matter if he fails though?

I honestly don't think it matters to him if he fails as the #1 - it's about being that guy on his team.

Part of it is ego but part of it would be the competitor inside him too

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I really think all of this is him being sick of Lebron. No one dares say it to the King, but his ownership of the players on that team is wearing thin.

Pharaoh · Post #1378 » by **Pharaoh** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 6:11 am

Because Lebron is all about Lebron!

He throws his team mates under the bus at the sane time he demands to play a style of ball that doesn't benefit others (except catch and shoot guys)!

You can't whine that you don't have enough help when your system is entirely dependant on your iso bull!

You want help? Maybe sacrificing your individual stats for a more team orientated system would allow it?

Spurs waxed Miami playing team ball

GSW took team ball to a whole other level and waxed Cleveland

Lebron is too busy chasing his own numbers to worry about winning rings. He's Reggie Jackson!

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DBC10 · Post #1379 » by **DBC10** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 5:31 pm

Scottgaf wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:
tmorgan wrote:
I agree with all this, but Kyrie is gonna fail miserably. His elite skills are ball handling and shot creating (and making). He's an average passer and a bad defender. He's Allen Iverson with less speed and toughness and a better handle and shot. He's not going to win anything with his own team unless it isn't really his own team and it's built around someone else better.

He has his ring, I don't blame him for wanting individual glory. But he's walking away from a good situation because he doesn't want to be a second banana. It is what it is.

Does it matter if he fails though?

I honestly don't think it matters to him if he fails as the #1 - it's about being that guy on his team.

Part of it is ego but part of it would be the competitor inside him too

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I really think all of this is him being sick of Lebron. No one dares say it to the King, but his ownership of the players on that team is wearing thin.

That and he's always complaining about needing more help. Which really is a indirect shot toward his guys especially to KLove and Ky.

And you wonder why their team sucks without Lebron according to his on/off numbers. He is the coach, GM, and system in one. The entire Cavs' system is wholly dependent on where Lebron is at on the court. It's extremely top heavy and I can see other stars getting tired of it.

As a not Lebron fan, I am loving every second of this implosion though. Lebron is crafty in the way he handles media, he knows what he's doing when he talks with them.

Pharaoh · Post #1380 » by **Pharaoh** » Sun Aug 6, 2017 7:58 am

Since Kyrie seems to be the big discussion of the off-season:

Who are your "franchise" players? How do you decide who is - and isn't - a "franchise" player?

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