Reggie Jackson Resigns 5/80

[BadMofoPimp]

It really is "Detroit vs Everybody"

Stan can't make one proper move/decision it seems according to know-it-alls around basketball writer/critic circles. I hope Reggie is reading all about how he's not worth it, and it's the worst contract of the off-season.

Dragic gets 18M a season over five years and nobody bats an eye because it's King Riley handing out that money. Demarre Carroll gets 60M over four years ie 15M/season, a whopping 1M less than Reggie's deal and again not a friggin peep.

Dragic is 29 years old on a 5 year deal while Demarre Carroll who has been a marginal starter his whole career and had one solid season in a contract year (everyone plays well in a contract year) got big time deals. If an average starter like Carroll gets $15mil per season, then Reggie who is still young and improving deserves a good deal more than Carroll. At least Reggie has potential to be a good deal better and reaching his prime within 5 years while Carroll and Dragic are at their prime and will soon be declining by the end of their contracts

[313 Professor]

I just hope we never have to sign a FA again... #SalaryDumpsOverOverpaying #OneMansTrashOurTreasure #ThankYouPhoenix #ContractYearJustTradeEm #TwoYearAuditionsOnly #TeamUnderpay #Coupons #BallinOnABudget #Literally #ByeByeDrummond #ByeByeBrandon #NewRosterEveryYearLikeKentucky #ForTheLow

[BadMofoPimp]

Story is Detroit was bidding against themselves. Was Golden State bidding against themselves with they signed Draymond Green to the max money deal? Was Milwaukee bidding against themselves when they signed Khris Middleton to that monster deal? Tobias Harris is getting the same per year as Reggie - was Orlando bidding against themselves? This about that last one - Tobias Harris is getting paid 16M per season and might not even be the starter in Orlando with Hezonja and Gordon at the 3 & 4.

I am sure each and every RFA spoke to other teams about deals.

[joeposh]

People who are whining about this, what were you expecting? We've known for months now that if Reggie stayed (and it seemed that he would) he was getting maxed out. That was pretty much a certainty when we traded for him and had to be part of the math.

If we didn't give it to him, someone with cap space would have. And again, a max now is not a max in 1-2 years. Better spend to lock in young talent now, then get stuck in the looming bidding wars.

[fekz]

I was on the fence about Reggie (and in some ways still like Jennings better), but this signing is a no brainer. Who is lining up to get to detroit?? What guard out there putting up numbers like RJ did is going to sign here while we suck? Cap space is **** useless if you're unable to spend it because quality guys don't want to be here.

[DBC10]

This doesn't bother me nearly as bad as Smiths contact did.

So in comparison to Smith, I'm not bothered by it at all. Welcome Reggie, as a full time baller.

[joeposh]

Story is Detroit was bidding against themselves. Was Golden State bidding against themselves with they signed Draymond Green to the max money deal? Was Milwaukee bidding against themselves when they signed Khris Middleton to that monster deal? Tobias Harris is getting the same per year as Reggie - was Orlando bidding against themselves? This about that last one - Tobias Harris is getting paid 16M per season and might not even be the starter in Orlando with Hezonja and Gordon at the 3 & 4.

We were very clear about our intention to re-sign Reggie and he (unlike some recently departed players) wasn't out there actively trying to solicit other suitors. If we had stalled out and tried to short change him, someone probably would have made a play for the max -- but we knew we wanted him and for the full 5 years, so there was no need to play that game.

Reggie wanted to be here for the long term, and that's a big deal. Says a lot about the chip on his shoulder and his desire to lead a team, and not just get paid to be a role player on an established winner or be featured in a big market.

[El Chivo]

this "bidding ourselves" thing is understandable from other franchises' fans, they didn't live a Monroe-like situation.

but how can be bought by a Pistons' fan, who just had lost a max player (who I don't like and I won't miss) because of playing hardball and not overspend on Moose?

[rmfc]

Reggie wanted to be here for the long term, and that's a big deal. Says a lot about the chip on his shoulder and his desire to lead a team, and not just get paid to be a role player on an established winner or be featured in a big market.

These are the kind of players we desperately need on this team. Stanley also falls in the same category. They identify well with Detroit attitude, intentionally or not. They are also the guys that would love to stick here because we (the organization) gave them that chance.

Entitled players won't work here even if they are incredibly talented. Even if they are already here, I'm sure they wouldn't want to stick around. A lot of them don't even want to come here -- See Carmelo and even Monroe to an extent.

RJ has the swag and the will to be great and that'she exactly what we need rigut now.

[Liqourish]

Do yourselves a favor, folks, don't look on the General and Trade boards to get outsiders' perspectives on this move.

Wow.

To be clear, this deal isn't a steal, and isn't without risk. But its the right thing to do.

Pretty much everyone on the gb has hated on every move pistons have done, haters gona hate I guess.

I figured perceptions of the move would be negative among the general population who didn't really watch Reggie play here and paid close attention to how the drama played out in OKC, but I was pretty surprised by how unanimous and unequivocally negative the reaction has been.

Well it doesn't help when a few Pistons fans go over and dog the signing and belittle the players as well.

[Neptune]

Man, Reggie deserved less than Knight! SVG's big blimp body better play Reggie at the 2 to make Reggie earn that 80mil, because Reggie at the 1 for a full season is a recipe for L's. SVG is starting to become an embarrassment to this organization.

Here's all 3 PGs numbers after getting traded to their new teams. Reggie got paid right between the two.

Knight: 11 games, 13.4 points and 4.5 assists per game with a 10.5 player efficiency rating, according to Basketball Reference. A bum ankle sidelined him at the end of the season.

■ Dragic: 26 games, 16.6 points and 5.3 assists with an 18.8 rating.

■ Jackson: 26 games, 17.6 points and 9.2 assists with a 19.8 rating.

Come on, post the wins and losses for all three of those team when Knight, Dragic and Jackson were added. Folks forgetting the game of basketball is about winning!

Pistons went 7-4 while Monroe was out, aka when there was even a semblance of floor spacing. The spacing/talent around RJ and Drummond will only be better this year.

You're right about the improved spacing, but I think the overall talent is still in question. Man I'm not trying to sound like a hater, but Jackson at 5yrs/80mil is just tttuuuuurrrrrriiibbbllleee!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BrandonJennings/status/617886112678342656[/tweet]
Well if my young guy Jennings is happy, I guess I'm happy.


@131 Professor, take it easy bro.

[Snakebites]

People who are whining about this, what were you expecting? We've known for months now that if Reggie stayed (and it seemed that he would) he was getting maxed out. That was pretty much a certainty when we traded for him and had to be part of the math.

If we didn't give it to him, someone with cap space would have. And again, a max now is not a max in 1-2 years. Better spend to lock in young talent now, then get stuck in the looming bidding wars.

For the record, this is not a max contract.

Leonard and Butler got max contracts that are worth more than 90 million.

[fekz]

I'm gonna have faith in SVG and Reg. I think we make the playoffs and I think RJ ends up being worth the money. As long as he can knock down his shot we're all good.

[DETermination]

Dave Hopla going to be this teams secret weapon if he can get Reggie shooting 3's really well along with the rest of the team and Dre hopefully shooting free throws better.

[Snakebites]

I have not said this was a bad signing, Im just saying why everyone else hates it

Well...

You said you think his 20 game stretch was predominantly a fluke and go on to say that the contract becomes an albatross if its show to be a fluke. You also think he's an average pg at best. I think when people read the content of your post its pretty reasonable that they'll conclude you consider this a pretty bad signing, even if you didn't say those exact words.

Which is fine, diverse opinions are what makes this place go. Just call it what it is.

[Manocad]

As has already been pointed out, this deal only looks eye-popping if you disregard the cap increase, and if it makes sense to keep him as part of the team and continue to develop a winning system, you do it.

Regarding Jennings, maybe a three guard rotation of Reggie, Brandon and KCP with Jennings playing the 1 or the 2 when either Reggie or KCP aren't? Is there really a reason for Jennings to go straight to the bench full time or get moved?

[whitehops]

Ok so I'll do my little projection here for this contract. I just rounded his contract to $16 million flat per year, though I'm sure it increases.

All figures in millions:
Reggie in 2016 - $16
2016 salary cap - $69
% of cap - 23.2%

Reggie in 2017 - $16
Projected cap in 2017 - $89
% of cap - 18%

Reggie in 2018 - $16
Projected cap in 2018 - $108
% of cap - 14.8%

After that the cap is expected to settle at around $100 million, which obviously makes reggie's contract 16% of the salary cap.

Based on that, his contract going forward will be the equivalent of the following amounts, based on the $63 million cap last year :

2016 - $14.6 million
2017 - $11.3 million
2018 - $9.3 million
2019/beyond - $10 million

Not to be a bug, but what are these cap projections you're using based on and where did you get them?

The NBA gave the teams their cap projections for the next few years, here's a link: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/4/17/8447839/nba-salary-cap-projection-free-agency-2016-2017

[princeofpalace]

I have not said this was a bad signing, Im just saying why everyone else hates it

Well...

You said you think his 20 game stretch was predominantly a fluke and go on to say that the contract becomes an albatross if its show to be a fluke. You also think he's an average pg at best. I think when people read the content of your post its pretty reasonable that they'll conclude you consider this a pretty bad signing, even if you didn't say those exact words.

Which is fine, diverse opinions are what makes this place go. Just call it what it is.

Reading comprehension. At no point did I say RJs 20 games was a fluke, what I said was that "most" think it was a fluke. I then went onto say that I don't expect a statistical dropoff, which is not something one says if they think the current play is a fluke. And, I had earlier said this wasnt a bad contract. But hey if you don't want to read my posts, feel free to make whatever conclusions you'd like

Would've preferred a cheaper contract but with the rising cap this isn't going to haunt us.

The GB reaction is expected given that RJ has become one of the league's highest paying PG and he arguably isnt even a top 15 PG.

The skepticism is because RJ is getting paid top dollar for a 20 game stretch- I think most think it was a fluke and that RJ will revert back into mediocrity next season. RJ is an average PG at best IMO but I think SVG's system gets the most out of PGs as evidenced by Jennings and Augustin putting up stats just as good if not better than RJ as starting PG.

I think RJ will only have a slight statistical dropoff next season. This is only an albatross contract if RJ 20games with the Pistons were a fluke.

[Snakebites]

I have not said this was a bad signing, Im just saying why everyone else hates it

Well...

You said you think his 20 game stretch was predominantly a fluke and go on to say that the contract becomes an albatross if its show to be a fluke. You also think he's an average pg at best. I think when people read the content of your post its pretty reasonable that they'll conclude you consider this a pretty bad signing, even if you didn't say those exact words.

Which is fine, diverse opinions are what makes this place go. Just call it what it is.

Reading comprehension. At no point did I say RJs 20 games was a fluke, what I said was that "most" think it was a fluke. I then went onto say that I don't expect a statistical dropoff, which is not something one says if they think the current play is a fluke. And, I had earlier said this wasnt a bad contract. But hey if you don't want to read my posts, feel free to make whatever conclusions you'd like

I misread your post, and I apologize.

You still said he's an average point guard at best. Average at best pgs don't warrant 80 million dollars even under new salary conditions.

[princeofpalace]

Well...

You said you think his 20 game stretch was predominantly a fluke and go on to say that the contract becomes an albatross if its show to be a fluke. You also think he's an average pg at best. I think when people read the content of your post its pretty reasonable that they'll conclude you consider this a pretty bad signing, even if you didn't say those exact words.

Which is fine, diverse opinions are what makes this place go. Just call it what it is.

Reading comprehension. At no point did I say RJs 20 games was a fluke, what I said was that "most" think it was a fluke. I then went onto say that I don't expect a statistical dropoff, which is not something one says if they think the current play is a fluke. And, I had earlier said this wasnt a bad contract. But hey if you don't want to read my posts, feel free to make whatever conclusions you'd like

I misread your post, and I apologize.

You still said he's an average point guard at best. Average at best pgs don't warrant 80 million dollars even under new salary conditions.

Then explain why guys like Carroll and Harris are making 15-16 per year. Both are also average at their position. This is the new NBA