Pistons Trading for Tony Snell

[MotownMadness]

@MotownMadness and odds of finding a player at 30

quote="Laimbeer"]Number 30

Year Player School/Country – Team
2018 Omari Spellman, Villanova – Atlanta Hawks
2017 Josh Hart, Villanova – Utah Jazz
2016 Damian Jones, Vanderbilt – Golden State Warriors
2015 Kevon Looney, UCLA – Golden State Warriors
2014 Kyle Anderson, UCLA – San Antonia Spurs
2013 Nemanja Nedovic, Serbia – Phoenix Suns
2012 Festus Ezeli, Vanderbilt – Golden State Warriors
2011 Jimmy Butler, Marquette University – Chicago Bulls
2010 Lazar Hayward, Marquette University – Washington Wizards

2000’s

2009 Christian Eyenga, Congo – Cleveland Cavaliers
2008 J.R Giddens, New Mexico – Boston Celtics
2007 Petteri Koponen, Finland – Philadelphia 76ers
2006 Joel Freeland, United Kingdom – Portland Trail Blazers
2005 David Lee, Florida – New York Knicks

2nd Round:
2004 Anderson Varejao, Brazil – Orlando Magic
2003 Maciej Lampe, Poland – New York Knicks
2002 Steve Logan, University of Cincinnati – Golden State Warriors
2001 Gilbert Arenas, University of Arizona – Golden State Warriors
2000 Marko Jaric, Serbia – L.A. Clippers

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Then I’m sure there are also players picked after 30 that were good as well in each of those drafts.

[theBigLip]

Great article by Roland Beech of 82games.com
https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

[chrbal]

**** you Ed Stafanski, you piece of ****. **** idiot, taking on a lot of money for a horrible player. I can't believe this clown is calling the shots and ruining our franchise. I miss SVG and Joe D.

We just got a young player under team control for the next 8 years if he works out for taking on a year of Snell.

That’s smart and how you rebuild when you lack talent, capspace and depth.

LMAO the #30 pick? You're not serious right? You know what are the odds of the #30 pick playing more than 1 year in the NBA?

6 out of 7
2004-2017; Kevon Looney, Josh Hart, Damian Jones, Kyle Anderson, Nemanja Nedovic, Festus Ezeli, Jimmy Butler, Lazar Hayward, Christian Eyenga, JR Giddens, Petteri Koponen, Joel Freeland, David Lee,, David Harrison.

[thesack12]

Its interesting how the perspective of 1st rounders can change so quickly.

A sizable portion of the board was more than ok with giving up #15 for Conley, for several reasons but primarily because this is widely viewed as a weak draft.

Now a lot of that same group of people, are tooting about acquiring #30 in the same draft.

Its a very interesting development.

[MotownMadness]

Its interesting how the perspective of 1st rounders can change so quickly.

A sizable portion of the board was more than ok with giving up #15 for Conley, for several reasons but primarily because this is widely viewed as a weak draft.

Now a lot of that same group of people, are tooting about aquiringc the value of #30 in the same draft.

Its a very interesting development.

This board is one of the most uneducated on the entire site and probably won’t even know anything about who we pick at 15. Everyone just bitches and that’s about it.

[thesack12]

I'm a bit surprised how many people are trashing this trade. Everyone goes on and on about the value of expiring contracts. Well...... this is how they add value. You trade an expiring for a non-expiring and get some sort of asset for doing it. We added a high character guy who is likely to be in the rotation as well.

People around here will bitch no matter what. Which makes you wonder why people waste so much of their time on things that do nothing but infuriate them..

I don't think bitching equates to "infuriated." And it's a discussion forum; it's not always going to be all happy happy joy joy. People are going to be happy about some stuff and not happy about other stuff.

In the grand scheme it's all wasting time; no one here is getting paid for posting, happy or bitching. When there are better things to do, we do them. Right now I could be working, for example. But I'm salaried, I've got about 30 minutes of work to do for the entire rest of the day, so here I am.

I'm easy on this one. Take on more money to potentially get better (worse draft position next year) for no real gain, UNLESS the 30th pick is somehow packaged with something for a higher pick next year.

"Manocad, you just bitch about every single move!" Yes, because my preference is for the team to DO NOTHING this offseason and roll with the same roster--I've said that repeatedly. Whether you think that's right, wrong, good, bad, or whatever is moot. When you'd prefer that the team DO NOTHING then obviously you're not going to like any moves. You can disagree with the ideology but you can't say that my reactions don't adhere to it. So quitcherbitchin' about MY bitchin', bitches.

This right here.

Why are any of us here wasting time, breath, energy, focus, money on a team that hasn't won a playoff game in 11 years?

Its because we are all fans of the same team, and we're either suckers for punishment or we're too loyal for own good.

Either way we all have the same goals in mind for our team, we just have different ideas/philosophies/strategies in order to get there. Disagreements, debating, and discussions are the reason why forums like this are created.

[Invictus88]

Snell is not better than Bullock or Ellington. How good was Detroit with those guys starting, mediocre at best.

The biggest difference between Snell and those guys is Snell costs $12 mil, Bullock and Ellington cost $2mil.

How is Snell an upgrade to the wing situation last season?

Not sure if this was in my response to my post or not. If not, my apologies.

I would much prefer to have signed Bullock back if we could have gotten him for 2 mill. When I mentioned improvement/upgrade, I was comparing the 10 million of Leuer sitting on the bench doing absolutely nothing vs the hypothetical situation that Snell played well enough to garner regular minutes.

It wasn't a testament to the virtues of Snell versus the other guys. It was versus the corpse of Leuer's contract

[thesack12]

Snell is not better than Bullock or Ellington. How good was Detroit with those guys starting, mediocre at best.

The biggest difference between Snell and those guys is Snell costs $12 mil, Bullock and Ellington cost $2mil.

How is Snell an upgrade to the wing situation last season?

Not sure if this was in my response to my post or not. If not, my apologies.

I would much prefer to have signed Bullock back if we could have gotten him for 2 mill. When I mentioned improvement/upgrade, I was comparing the 10 million of Leuer sitting on the bench doing absolutely nothing vs the hypothetical situation that Snell played well enough to garner regular minutes.

It wasn't a testament to the virtues of Snell versus the other guys. It was versus the corpse of Leuer's contract

Nah, was just a general observation I voiced and not in direct response to anything or anyone.

I'm stoked I don't have to look at Jon Leur anymore myself. I absolutely loathed that signing from day 1, and knew him being completely useless was always going to be the outcome. The problem I have is, Leuer was just about to start to not being a negative. My argument is that the $10 mil of cap space he represented next summer could have fetched more value than Snell/#30. Detroit just needed to wait a little bit longer.

[Invictus88]

Snell is not better than Bullock or Ellington. How good was Detroit with those guys starting, mediocre at best.

The biggest difference between Snell and those guys is Snell costs $12 mil, Bullock and Ellington cost $2mil.

How is Snell an upgrade to the wing situation last season?

Not sure if this was in my response to my post or not. If not, my apologies.

I would much prefer to have signed Bullock back if we could have gotten him for 2 mill. When I mentioned improvement/upgrade, I was comparing the 10 million of Leuer sitting on the bench doing absolutely nothing vs the hypothetical situation that Snell played well enough to garner regular minutes.

It wasn't a testament to the virtues of Snell versus the other guys. It was versus the corpse of Leuer's contract

Nah, was just a general observation I voiced and not in direct response to anything or anyone.

I'm stoked I don't have to look at Jon Leur anymore myself, I absolutely loathed that signing from day 1, and knew him being completely useless was always going to be the outcome. The problem I have is Leuer was just about to start to not being a negative. My argument is that $10 mil of cap space he represented next summer could have fetched more value than Snell/#30.

Completely fair statement. Like I said, I really want to see what Milwaukee does with the contract. If they let it sit and do nothing, then that is arguably worse than what we got? But I do agree that my first inclination is that we didn't wait long enough. There's a lot of maneuvering that needs to be done by other teams in order to make their financial situations work when trying to sign/retain big free agents. I want to believe that we could have done at least equal if not better than Snell and #30? I guess time will tell?

[Snakebites]

Snell is not better than Bullock or Ellington. How good was Detroit with those guys starting, mediocre at best.

The biggest difference between Snell and those guys is Snell costs $12 mil, Bullock and Ellington cost $2mil.

How is Snell an upgrade to the wing situation last season?

Not sure if this was in my response to my post or not. If not, my apologies.

I would much prefer to have signed Bullock back if we could have gotten him for 2 mill. When I mentioned improvement/upgrade, I was comparing the 10 million of Leuer sitting on the bench doing absolutely nothing vs the hypothetical situation that Snell played well enough to garner regular minutes.

It wasn't a testament to the virtues of Snell versus the other guys. It was versus the corpse of Leuer's contract

Nah, was just a general observation I voiced and not in direct response to anything or anyone.

I'm stoked I don't have to look at Jon Leur anymore myself. I absolutely loathed that signing from day 1, and knew him being completely useless was always going to be the outcome. The problem I have is, Leuer was just about to start to not being a negative. My argument is that the $10 mil of cap space he represented next summer could have fetched more value than Snell/#30. Detroit just needed to wait a little bit longer.

There won’t be as many teams looking to deal for cap space next year, the FA crop is far weaker.

Money this year is better than money next year, at least as I see it.

[thesack12]

Not sure if this was in my response to my post or not. If not, my apologies.

I would much prefer to have signed Bullock back if we could have gotten him for 2 mill. When I mentioned improvement/upgrade, I was comparing the 10 million of Leuer sitting on the bench doing absolutely nothing vs the hypothetical situation that Snell played well enough to garner regular minutes.

It wasn't a testament to the virtues of Snell versus the other guys. It was versus the corpse of Leuer's contract

Nah, was just a general observation I voiced and not in direct response to anything or anyone.

I'm stoked I don't have to look at Jon Leur anymore myself. I absolutely loathed that signing from day 1, and knew him being completely useless was always going to be the outcome. The problem I have is, Leuer was just about to start to not being a negative. My argument is that the $10 mil of cap space he represented next summer could have fetched more value than Snell/#30. Detroit just needed to wait a little bit longer.

There won’t be as many teams looking to deal for cap space next year, the FA crop is far weaker.

Money this year is better than money next year, at least as I see it.

Of course it is. But its not like teams are going to stop trying to get better, and other teams stop trying to shed money.

On the flip side of that argument, there will also be less teams with cap space next summer. So the teams looking for cap space to facilitate trades, will have to pay a steeper price because supply will down.

[CubicalLake7]

Great article by Roland Beech of 82games.com
https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Any analysis that does not consider Darko a BUST is deeply flawed.

[Manocad]

This will be the most exciting move we make all offseason. Yay.

I'm not going to bother digging up a link but on The Ticket this morning they were talking about some NBA analyst's (I'm mind blanking on his name; well-known guy) list of the best REALISTIC off-season acquisitions for every NBA team, and there was one for the Pistons--Seth Curry.

Powerful.

Lol, what was it the sound guy with his sources or something?

Ric Bucher

What about “well-known NBA analyst” confused you?

[MotownMadness]

I'm not going to bother digging up a link but on The Ticket this morning they were talking about some NBA analyst's (I'm mind blanking on his name; well-known guy) list of the best REALISTIC off-season acquisitions for every NBA team, and there was one for the Pistons--Seth Curry.

Powerful.

Lol, what was it the sound guy with his sources or something?

Ric Bucher

What about “well-known NBA analyst” confused you?

So you have to listen to 97.1 to get that type of insider info. Figured you were a Valenti idolizer but come on lol

Pretty sure everyone already knew he was a target seeing as we have the MLE to spend

[theBigLip]

Nah, was just a general observation I voiced and not in direct response to anything or anyone.

I'm stoked I don't have to look at Jon Leur anymore myself. I absolutely loathed that signing from day 1, and knew him being completely useless was always going to be the outcome. The problem I have is, Leuer was just about to start to not being a negative. My argument is that the $10 mil of cap space he represented next summer could have fetched more value than Snell/#30. Detroit just needed to wait a little bit longer.

There won’t be as many teams looking to deal for cap space next year, the FA crop is far weaker.

Money this year is better than money next year, at least as I see it.

Of course it is. But its not like teams are going to stop trying to get better, and other teams stop trying to shed money.

On the flip side of that argument, there will also be less teams with cap space next summer. So the teams looking for cap space to facilitate trades, will have to pay a steeper price because supply will down.

That's what I'm thinking as well. Too many teams with too much cap space means a lot of free agents are going to get overpaid. Probably good that we don't have money to spend this year Next summer we can help facilitate some trades when RJ/Galloway/Smith come off the books.

[theBigLip]

Great article by Roland Beech of 82games.com
https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Any analysis that does not consider Darko a BUST is deeply flawed.

Always easy to criticize. If you read the assumptions and the statistics used, then he isn't a bust. A bust for a #2 pick for the Pistons? Sure, but Darko actually played in the NBA for several years and got playing time and got some rebounds. You are just looking at this from a Piston perspective and the opportunity costs - we could have had Melo/Wade, etc. If you can come up with a better analysis, please share.

[MotownMadness]

There won’t be as many teams looking to deal for cap space next year, the FA crop is far weaker.

Money this year is better than money next year, at least as I see it.

Of course it is. But its not like teams are going to stop trying to get better, and other teams stop trying to shed money.

On the flip side of that argument, there will also be less teams with cap space next summer. So the teams looking for cap space to facilitate trades, will have to pay a steeper price because supply will down.

That's what I'm thinking as well. Too many teams with too much cap space means a lot of free agents are going to get overpaid. Probably good that we don't have money to spend this year Next summer we can help facilitate some trades when RJ/Galloway/Smith come off the books.

Who all can opt out? Should be a lot of guys that would want to do so to get a long term deal in a weak FA class.

[theBigLip]

Kevin Pelton from ESPN Insider gave the Bucks an A- on this trade and the Pistons a B.

[The_Irony]

only this board would be upset you get #30 in a deep draft relative to the Pistons needs for Jon leuer, arguably one of the WORST players in the NBA.

Snell doesn't matter to me.. he'll contribute somewhat but this trade was to get #30. bucks did this deal cause they have much better players they need to resign and taking on #30s salary does nothing for them

pistons have to get this draft right

[potatoaim]

I'm a bit surprised how many people are trashing this trade. Everyone goes on and on about the value of expiring contracts. Well...... this is how they add value. You trade an expiring for a non-expiring and get some sort of asset for doing it. We added a high character guy who is likely to be in the rotation as well.

People around here will bitch no matter what. Which makes you wonder why people waste so much of their time on things that do nothing but infuriate them..

I don't think bitching equates to "infuriated." And it's a discussion forum; it's not always going to be all happy happy joy joy. People are going to be happy about some stuff and not happy about other stuff.

In the grand scheme it's all wasting time; no one here is getting paid for posting, happy or bitching. When there are better things to do, we do them. Right now I could be working, for example. But I'm salaried, I've got about 30 minutes of work to do for the entire rest of the day, so here I am.

I'm easy on this one. Take on more money to potentially get better (worse draft position next year) for no real gain, UNLESS the 30th pick is somehow packaged with something for a higher pick next year.

"Manocad, you just bitch about every single move!" Yes, because my preference is for the team to DO NOTHING this offseason and roll with the same roster--I've said that repeatedly. Whether you think that's right, wrong, good, bad, or whatever is moot. When you'd prefer that the team DO NOTHING then obviously you're not going to like any moves. You can disagree with the ideology but you can't say that my reactions don't adhere to it. So quitcherbitchin' about MY bitchin', bitches.

Im not talking about just posting on a forum, Im talking about following this team and everything that goes along with it. There are people that literally do nothing but **** on every move they make and say how garbage everything and everyone is. So my question is, if this org and everything about it pisses those certain people off so much, why is it even in your life? But hey, some people are only happy when they are miserable...