[WOJ]Pistons trade Bruce Brown to Nets...

ElectricMayhem · Post #141 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:08 am

Bruce Brown's offense was bad, but he made tremendous strides between year one and year two. I would've loved to keep him around and this his value will always be higher than what the Pistons got for him but it's definitely not the end of the world. Might as well buy those scratch tickets even if they amount to nothing.

I loved this Zach Lowe quote on Musa in the Detroit Bad Boys article:

Hypothesis: Musa has the largest ambition-to-talent ratio of any current player. One of the unexpected pleasures in Brooklyn’s wave of injuries has been watching Musa, thrust into duty, attempting acts of brazen individualism usually reserved for superstars. My man will go 1-on-3 in transition even if all three defenders are taller and more athletic than he is.

Going 7-of-40 from deep (17.5%!) has not sapped Musa’s bravado. Open catch-and-shoot 3s from just beyond the arc bore him. Musa lives for 28-footers. The best part of Musa flying too close to the sun is the aftermath. He seems legitimately astonished that any act of derring-do has failed.

I’m not even mad. I’m kind of impressed. I like to think Musa approaches the New York dating scene with the same unflappable confidence. None of this is meant to render final judgment. Musa is only 20. He shot 36% on 3s in the G League. He has some craft to his game. Bravery will serve him well.

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2020/11/16/21569820/nba-trade-detroit-pistons-bruce-brown-brooklyn-nets-dzanan-musa

Brown, meanwhile, is just what the Nets need, especially if they end up landing Harden. He can play with either Irving or Harden and won't demand the ball on offense while locking down the other team's best player on the other end of the court.

Musa was straight up terrible for the Nets last year. If we end up going that route, we can give him all the court time he needs to position ourselves for a 2021 pick. I guess.

Uncle Mxy · Post #142 » by **Uncle Mxy** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:57 pm

I'm surprised we couldn't bundle Brown with another player as part of a bigger trade.
This trade could've happened at any time, so why now and not after the draft?

pollack419 · Post #143 » by **pollack419** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:29 pm

Thinking about what brown did for us are we replacing his skills in the draft. Defense motor energy hopes of being a PG. does that mean Williams or Okoro at 7 and PG in free agency?

whitehops · Post #144 » by **whitehops** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:15 pm

i know he wasn't a great player but i kind of liked brown.

i don't see this as anything other than the team trying to accumulate picks and they picked up a reclamation project (don't know if musa qualifies for that label lol) because why not, that's where the team is at and there's a lot more to gain than lose.

and the nets want a player that has an immediate nba skill and brown has that with his defensive versatility.

TPA · Post #145 » by **TPA** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:51 pm

Detroit appears to be the new Euro destination. Especially if we pick up Hayes or Avdija!

Kilo · Post #146 » by **Kilo** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:10 pm

Uncle Mxy wrote:I'm surprised we couldn't bundle Brown with another player as part of a bigger trade.
This trade could've happened at any time, so why now and not after the draft?

Potentially they could flip that 2021 Toronto pick for a second rounder in this years draft. Philly has four second rounders - #34, #36, #49 & #58 and I can't image they'll use all four. #49 for Toronto 2021 SRP could make sense, Raptors are not guaranteed to pick very late given Mikwaukee, Brooklyn, Boston, Philly could end up ahead of them in East - Toronto could pick right around #49 next year.

jakebernat · Post #147 » by **jakebernat** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:20 pm

Kilo wrote:
Uncle Mxy wrote:I'm surprised we couldn't bundle Brown with another player as part of a bigger trade.
This trade could've happened at any time, so why now and not after the draft?

Potentially they could flip that 2021 Toronto pick for a second rounder in this years draft. Philly has four second rounders - #34, #36, #49 & #58 and I can't image they'll use all four. #49 for Toronto 2021 SRP could make sense, Raptors are not guaranteed to pick very late given Mikwaukee, Brooklyn, Boston, Philly could end up ahead of them in East - Toronto could pick right around #49 next year.

might as well just buy a 2nd rounder at that point. hell, teams might even sell late 1sts this year.

potatoaim · Post #148 » by **potatoaim** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:23 pm

People are actually upset about losing Bruce Brown? Seriously? He is an end of the bench player on a good team. What is the going rate for a guy like that? Id say basically what they got; A 21yo Euro with potential and a 2nd rd pick.

There are plenty of reasons as to why this team is bad and one of them is being forced to give guys like Bruce Brown 30 min/game.

sludgefoot · Post #149 » by **sludgefoot** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:04 pm

potatoaim wrote:People are actually upset about losing Bruce Brown? Seriously? He is an end of the bench player on a good team. What is the going rate for a guy like that? Id say basically what they got; A 21yo Euro with potential and a 2nd rd pick.

There are plenty of reasons as to why this team is bad and one of them is being forced to give guys like Bruce Brown 30 min/game.

Spot on!

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bstein14 · Post #150 » by **bstein14** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:28 pm

Nets are reportedly close to emptying their roster and assets for Harden.

Its going to be Durant + Harden + Kyrie + Brown and whoever they can add in FA over the next week.

440BB · Post #151 » by **440BB** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:47 pm

bstein14 wrote:Nets are reportedly close to emptying their roster and assets for Harden.

Its going to be Durant + Harden + Kyrie + Brown and whoever they can add in FA over the next week.

What a crapshoot. One injury and no depth will sink this group.

At least they won't be expecting much offense from Bruce.

edmunder_prc · Post #152 » by **edmunder_prc** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:57 pm

So KCP with the championship last year. Brown with the ring this upcoming year?

Nets can get mid-season cuts and ring chasers for the rest of the team.

Post #153 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:11 pm

How solid is that Harden source?

I don't doubt that there's a really good chance he ends up in Brooklyn but I'm not familiar with that source, and the fact that they have no details seems sketchy.

whitehops · Post #154 » by **whitehops** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:13 pm

some hope for Musa is he's actually shot decently (~35%) from 3 in the g league and overseas and with a decent sample size so it might just be about him adjusting his technique as opposed to learning how to shoot from square one.

again, not expecting anything from him but when i saw that i was at least on board with him as theoretically having "upside", because before that he looked more like a a guy that wouldn't even make our roster.

Dzon Dilindzer · Post #155 » by **Dzon Dilindzer** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:41 pm

whitehops wrote:some hope for Musa is he's actually shot decently (~35%) from 3 in the g league and overseas and with a decent sample size so it might just be about him adjusting his technique as opposed to learning how to shoot from square one.

again, not expecting anything from him but when i saw that i was at least on board with him as theoretically having "upside", because before that he looked more like a a guy that wouldn't even make our roster.

musa becoming bigger and stronger in his upper body will enable him to drive past his opponents and finish through contact, cause so far hes had mixed results... but he was always a project and most teams that had interest in him, wanted him to stay overseas, while he wanted to come over right away and thats way he was a late 1st round pick

he couldnt shoot with brooklyn and it was frustrating to watch, but i cant think of any other reason except "pressure", cause his percentage in g league and europe suggest he can shoot and its much bigger sample size than in the nba

i really believe musa will turn it around and show his offensive potential and detroit seems like a perfect fit for him, a rebuilding team with no pressure... if he makes it in detroit, he will stay in the nba for a very long time

heres musa when he got drafted:

Spoiler:

heres musa today:

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yes i know, in a video you can make any player look good, but this video gives you insight what type of a player musa is:

Watch on YouTube

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Manocad · Post #156 » by **Manocad** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:51 pm

sludgefoot wrote:
potatoaim wrote:People are actually upset about losing Bruce Brown? Seriously? He is an end of the bench player on a good team. What is the going rate for a guy like that? Id say basically what they got; A 21yo Euro with potential and a 2nd rd pick.

There are plenty of reasons as to why this team is bad and one of them is being forced to give guys like Bruce Brown 30 min/game.
Spot on!

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Thirded. There are a whole lot of other things that need to happen first before the Pistons are in a situation where they really need to focus on keeping a Bruce Brown.

BJK1 · Post #157 » by **BJK1** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:19 pm

Snakebites wrote:How solid is that Harden source?

I don't doubt that there's a really good chance he ends up in Brooklyn but I'm not familiar with that source, and the fact that they have no details seems sketchy.

No idea who Anthony Puccio is or “Front Office Sports,” but that is one reporting source:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260297/Report-Nets-Rockets-Nearing-James-Harden-Trade

chrbal · Post #158 » by **chrbal** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:19 pm

bstein14 wrote:Nets are reportedly close to emptying their roster and assets for Harden.

Its going to be Durant + Harden + Kyrie + Brown and whoever they can add in FA over the next week.

Watch brown get flipped to Houston. Go from a real shot at playing time on a top East team, to playing time with Westbrook and whatever else the rockets wind up with.

Post #159 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:22 pm

BJK1 wrote:
Snakebites wrote:How solid is that Harden source?

I don't doubt that there's a really good chance he ends up in Brooklyn but I'm not familiar with that source, and the fact that they have no details seems sketchy.

No idea who Anthony Puccio is or “Front Office Sports,” but that is one reporting source:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260297/Report-Nets-Rockets-Nearing-James-Harden-Trade

Yeah, I was able to see who the source is, I just wanted to know if they have any kind of history reporting things that are actually true.

Realgm doesn't always have the best judgement in headlining these things.

440BB · Post #160 » by **440BB** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:25 pm

chrbal wrote:
bstein14 wrote:Nets are reportedly close to emptying their roster and assets for Harden.

Its going to be Durant + Harden + Kyrie + Brown and whoever they can add in FA over the next week.

Watch brown get flipped to Houston. Go from a real shot at playing time on a top East team, to playing time with Westbrook and whatever else the rockets wind up with.

Brown might see more minutes on the Rockets and Westbrook could be his ball dominant self without any competition. On the other hand, Brown seems like a needed piece on that Nets squad - cheap and plays defense. The Nets cupboards will be bare if they pull off the Harden trade.