Free Agency

[El Chivo]

Regardless of what you do, if you are truly rebuilding, you don't tie up cap space for 3 years on middling 30 year old veterans.

I can live with tying up cap space for fringe starters for 3 years (I see our "process" taking more than 2 years, so... , what I can't live with is waiving/stretching contracts and eating dead money for more than this 3 years' window it will take to be back to decency and relevance.

[Kilo]

Gasol doesn't sign with the Pistons for even Plumlee money let alone the money he took from the Lakers. Come on folks, Detroit is a bottom five year in the league this year and in order to get any player of even Plumlee's worth here youre going to have to over pay. Plumlee brings a specific skill set to help develop Hayes (and Stewart). You basically paid Plumlee to give up any contending or title aspirations. But you either do that or get bottom of the barrel FA left overs who don't fit and probably malcontents not going to help your young players develop.

Or you sign Harry Giles for 1 year $5 mil.
Or you offer a slight bump to what the Knicks got Nerlens Noel for and give him 1 year $7 mil.

Point is, how about you practice a little patience and see how the market develops before tripping overself while frothing at the mouth to give Mason Plumlee 3 years/$25 million?

Regardless of what you do, if you are truly rebuilding, you don't tie up cap space for 3 years on middling 30 year old veterans.

Harry Giles is a young developmental himself. You can't have a team of developmentals. Detroit got Josh Jackson for 4.7M + 4.7M TO, that is Detroit's Harry Giles signing. Weaver knows Nerlens Noel (and Noel knows Weaver) - is Noel's game comparable to Plumlees? Dirty work screen setter and great on the PNR? Hayes doesn't have the athleticism to blow by guards and create his own and will need to use (multiple) screens and offensive sets.

[Kilo]

Regardless of what you do, if you are truly rebuilding, you don't tie up cap space for 3 years on middling 30 year old veterans.

I can live with tying up cap space for fringe starters for 3 years (I see our "process" taking more than 2 years, so... , what I can't live with is waiving/stretching contracts and eating dead money for more than this 3 years' window it will take to be back to decency and relevance.

Smith is likely only a three year stretch. Dedmon is a five year stretch at 2.8M, but if he plays five years in the league the offset from his new salary likely means Pistons are on the cap hook for closer to 1.5M if not even less. Dedmon might sign for vets minimum somewhere this year (as he gets 13M from Detroit) but next four years he'll look to take the best offer and is in the very least a 3M player. If he's still a 5M player the Detroit stretch carry is <1M.

It's not ideal, but on a rebuild team with 5-6 rookie deals and not sniffing the tax it will be a non-factor.

[El Chivo]

Regardless of what you do, if you are truly rebuilding, you don't tie up cap space for 3 years on middling 30 year old veterans.

I can live with tying up cap space for fringe starters for 3 years (I see our "process" taking more than 2 years, so... , what I can't live with is waiving/stretching contracts and eating dead money for more than this 3 years' window it will take to be back to decency and relevance.

Smith is likely only a three year stretch. Dedmon is a five year stretch at 2.8M, but if he plays five years in the league the offset from his new salary likely means Pistons are on the cap hook for closer to 1.5M if not even less. Dedmon might sign for vets minimum somewhere this year (as he gets 13M from Detroit) but next four years he'll look to take the best offer and is in the very least a 3M player. If he's still a 5M player the Detroit stretch carry is <1M.

It's not ideal, but on a rebuild team with 5-6 rookie deals and not sniffing the tax it will be a non-factor.

I can live with Dedmon's one, but 2/3 waivings and stretchings are too many.

[thesack12]

Gasol doesn't sign with the Pistons for even Plumlee money let alone the money he took from the Lakers. Come on folks, Detroit is a bottom five year in the league this year and in order to get any player of even Plumlee's worth here youre going to have to over pay. Plumlee brings a specific skill set to help develop Hayes (and Stewart). You basically paid Plumlee to give up any contending or title aspirations. But you either do that or get bottom of the barrel FA left overs who don't fit and probably malcontents not going to help your young players develop.

Or you sign Harry Giles for 1 year $5 mil.
Or you offer a slight bump to what the Knicks got Nerlens Noel for and give him 1 year $7 mil.

Point is, how about you practice a little patience and see how the market develops before tripping overself while frothing at the mouth to give Mason Plumlee 3 years/$25 million?

Regardless of what you do, if you are truly rebuilding, you don't tie up cap space for 3 years on middling 30 year old veterans.

Harry Giles is a young developmental himself. You can't have a team of developmentals. Detroit got Josh Jackson for 4.7M + 4.7M TO, that is Detroit's Harry Giles signing. Weaver knows Nerlens Noel (and Noel knows Weaver) - is Noel's game comparable to Plumlees? Dirty work screen setter and great on the PNR? Hayes doesn't have the athleticism to blow by guards and create his own and will need to use (multiple) screens and offensive sets.

Good point, about the developmentals. Already having a developmental C in Stewart is a factor.

Regarding the rest, I get it that Plumlee "can" provide things of value. I just don't personally see those things being worth having him around for 3 years at his cap number.

A potential "dirty work" type alternative could have been Taj Gibson. Who hasn't signed yet, but its likely he is going to sign a cheap 1 year contract with someone.

[thesack12]

I can live with tying up cap space for fringe starters for 3 years (I see our "process" taking more than 2 years, so... , what I can't live with is waiving/stretching contracts and eating dead money for more than this 3 years' window it will take to be back to decency and relevance.

Smith is likely only a three year stretch. Dedmon is a five year stretch at 2.8M, but if he plays five years in the league the offset from his new salary likely means Pistons are on the cap hook for closer to 1.5M if not even less. Dedmon might sign for vets minimum somewhere this year (as he gets 13M from Detroit) but next four years he'll look to take the best offer and is in the very least a 3M player. If he's still a 5M player the Detroit stretch carry is <1M.

It's not ideal, but on a rebuild team with 5-6 rookie deals and not sniffing the tax it will be a non-factor.

I can live with Dedmon's one, but 2/3 waivings and stretchings are too many.

Yeah, for me the scariest part is it sure seems like Weaver is hellbent on acquiring/using every last single dollar available, despite what it might mean down the road. And he's not using those dollars to make the future look brighter, he's actually hurting the future.

[440BB]

This roster is pretty much a group of young strangers, so only having vets on a one year deal doesn't set any tone for the team going forward. Having Plumlee and Grant here on three year deals gives the team some consistency during the revolving door and development phase.

When Rose And Griffin are gone Plumlee is our oldest player. We'll need some good examples in that locker room and on the court for a season or two, then both will be movable assets if needed.

[thesack12]

This roster is pretty much a group of young strangers, so only having vets on a one year deal doesn't set any tone for the team going forward. Having Plumlee and Grant here on three year deals gives the team some consistency during the revolving door and development phase.

When Rose And Griffin are gone Plumlee is our oldest player. We'll need some good examples in that locker room and on the court for a season or two, then both will be movable assets if needed.

If we are concerned with the first part, Detroit could have traded for a vet on a long term contract and got an asset for doing so.

Atlanta signing a 40 year old Vince Carter to a minimum contract, is an example on how you fill the "need" of the second part.

[440BB]

This roster is pretty much a group of young strangers, so only having vets on a one year deal doesn't set any tone for the team going forward. Having Plumlee and Grant here on three year deals gives the team some consistency during the revolving door and development phase.

When Rose And Griffin are gone Plumlee is our oldest player. We'll need some good examples in that locker room and on the court for a season or two, then both will be movable assets if needed.

If we are concerned with the first part, Detroit could have traded for a vet on a long term contract and got an asset for doing so.

Atlanta signing a 40 year old Vince Carter to a minimum contract, is an example on how you fill the "need" of the second part.

I agree we could have done this for less money.

I see the necessity of few stable pieces on the roster and the court for a couple years to keep things moving in the right direction. Weaver likely overpaid to establish that with the players he knew and wanted.

[Drwho17]

I don't mind the turnover, or even the contracts so much, except Plumlee. My issue is I don't think the Pistons got very good value, they should have got more for helping out Houston, should have got more for helping out Denver, should have got more for helping out NJ. The Pistons had to give 4 #2's to get Luke Kennard out to LAC, why didn't the clips, LK is better than Landry Shamet, why do the Pistons give the picks and Kennard for #19 in the weak draft, and the clips get LK+4 #2's? This stuff is all just mystifying. Seems the Pistons could have used their cap space and trade assets more effectively.

[kellmellus50]

Undrafted free agent Anthony Lamb of Vermont signs with pistons.

[jcsunsfan]

We (The Suns) just signed Langston Galloway. Looks like he was with you all last year. I know nothing about him really. Can you give me a bit of a synopsis of this guy's game both offensively and defensively?

BTW. Congrats on Grant. He is going to be a good pick up for you.

[flow]

We (The Suns) just signed Langston Galloway. Looks like he was with you all last year. I know nothing about him really. Can you give me a bit of a synopsis of this guy's game both offensively and defensively?

BTW. Congrats on Grant. He is going to be a good pick up for you.

Streaky catch-n-shoot 3 pt shooter who tries on defense and is a good guy. That's about it. You'll probably not see much of him at all, knowing your roster. Is it a vet minimum signing?

[Snakebites]

We (The Suns) just signed Langston Galloway. Looks like he was with you all last year. I know nothing about him really. Can you give me a bit of a synopsis of this guy's game both offensively and defensively?

BTW. Congrats on Grant. He is going to be a good pick up for you.

What did you sign him for? He was an overpay 3/21 which is what we signed him for, I'd have liked him a lot more for cheaper.

He tries on defense and is decent there, but not a stopper. He's also a streaky shooter who will give you good nights from time to time. Great locker room guy.

He cannot play point guard at all though. He's a short shooting guard.

[Pharaoh]

From the looks of the Suns roster he's going to be a big part of their playoff push.

Needed a vet shooter & probably aren't done making moves:

Ayton
Crowder
Bridges
Booker
CP3

Bench of Kaminsky, Saric, Johnson, Smith, Galloway and Payne isn't all that impressive out West.


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[jcsunsfan]

We (The Suns) just signed Langston Galloway. Looks like he was with you all last year. I know nothing about him really. Can you give me a bit of a synopsis of this guy's game both offensively and defensively?

BTW. Congrats on Grant. He is going to be a good pick up for you.

What did you sign him for? He was an overpay 3/21 which is what we signed him for, I'd have liked him a lot more for cheaper.

He tries on defense and is decent there, but not a stopper. He's also a streaky shooter who will give you good nights from time to time. Great locker room guy.

He cannot play point guard at all though. He's a short shooting guard.

I believe we signed him for the vet minimum.

Thanks for the update. He is probably going to be our 4th or 5th guard in the rotation.
Book, CP3, Moore, Payne, Galloway. We will probably cut Okobo.

[BJK1]

Good signing for the vet minimum.

[thesack12]

We (The Suns) just signed Langston Galloway. Looks like he was with you all last year. I know nothing about him really. Can you give me a bit of a synopsis of this guy's game both offensively and defensively?

BTW. Congrats on Grant. He is going to be a good pick up for you.

What did you sign him for? He was an overpay 3/21 which is what we signed him for, I'd have liked him a lot more for cheaper.

He tries on defense and is decent there, but not a stopper. He's also a streaky shooter who will give you good nights from time to time. Great locker room guy.

He cannot play point guard at all though. He's a short shooting guard.

I believe we signed him for the vet minimum.

Thanks for the update. He is probably going to be our 4th or 5th guard in the rotation.
Book, CP3, Moore, Payne, Galloway. We will probably cut Okobo.

On top of the good synopsis that Snake provided, I would add that Galloway is a fearless shooter. He's not at all shy about getting up shots. He also has a pretty quick release, and doesn't need a whole lot of space to get it off.

Just don't expect him to do much off the dribble creating for himself or others.

If you got him for the minimum, that's actually a solid pickup. Especially if you primarily use him to spot up off of CP3 and Booker's playmaking ability.

[BJK1]

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Good for the kid.

[thesack12]

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Good for the kid.

Yeah, he's a likeable kid.

Orlando isn't the worst landing spot for him either. Neither Fultz or MCW are the pictures of health. If those two ever overlap absences, Cole Anthony will be the only guy ahead of Bone.