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[bstein14]

I don't see how KP doesn't opt in. With his injury history do you realistically see any team giving him that much annually on his next contract?

He is still just 27 years old and just came off a healthy and successfully efficient 23.2 PPG and 8.4 RPG in 32.6 MPG season. If anything, I think given his injury history it makes more sense to opt out now and get a 4 year $100+ million contract even if he takes a bit less money next season to secure the long term bag. His worst case it to take the $30+ million next year and then get injured yet again and have his value tank around the league. This summer, a team would certainly give him $100+ million coming off the season he just had IMO. Perhaps the Rockets if they can't land Harden or Kyrie.

C: Senguin / Porzingas
PF: Porzinas / Martin Jr
SF: Smith Jr / Eason
SG: Green / Porter Jr
PG: Amen(#4) / Porter Jr

Next year is for 36 million dollars; which is a far cry from 30+ that you are trying to minimize it down to. 11 million more than the 25 million annually you are then saying he should then sign his next contract for.

Any GM in their right mind is going to put in protections / opt out clauses in any contract they sign him to given his durability problems up to this point; so I don't see much to gain for him in terms of security of guaranteed money.

You just don't turn down 11 million dollars more / 36 million guaranteed. Heck. The next contract he signs might not even have that much in totality; with most based off of games played requirements, etc.

We keep having these same conversations where very obvious points are glossed over / dismissed entirely. Is it intentional attempts to mislead or just repeatedly not thinking before posting?

I fairly confidant that if he knew he could get 4 years and $120 million he would opt out and take that long term deal. Of course its his agent's job to try and gauge interest around the league. I think he's a better player than Ayton who just got paid more than that last summer, but of course its the injury history that could keep some teams away.

I really wouldn't be surprised to see him pick up his option and take the $36 million and I wouldn't be surprised to decline and try to get more long term on a new deal.

[Invictus88]

He is still just 27 years old and just came off a healthy and successfully efficient 23.2 PPG and 8.4 RPG in 32.6 MPG season. If anything, I think given his injury history it makes more sense to opt out now and get a 4 year $100+ million contract even if he takes a bit less money next season to secure the long term bag. His worst case it to take the $30+ million next year and then get injured yet again and have his value tank around the league. This summer, a team would certainly give him $100+ million coming off the season he just had IMO. Perhaps the Rockets if they can't land Harden or Kyrie.

C: Senguin / Porzingas
PF: Porzinas / Martin Jr
SF: Smith Jr / Eason
SG: Green / Porter Jr
PG: Amen(#4) / Porter Jr

Next year is for 36 million dollars; which is a far cry from 30+ that you are trying to minimize it down to. 11 million more than the 25 million annually you are then saying he should then sign his next contract for.

Any GM in their right mind is going to put in protections / opt out clauses in any contract they sign him to given his durability problems up to this point; so I don't see much to gain for him in terms of security of guaranteed money.

You just don't turn down 11 million dollars more / 36 million guaranteed. Heck. The next contract he signs might not even have that much in totality; with most based off of games played requirements, etc.

We keep having these same conversations where very obvious points are glossed over / dismissed entirely. Is it intentional attempts to mislead or just repeatedly not thinking before posting?

I fairly confidant that if he knew he could get 4 years and $120 million he would opt out and take that long term deal. Of course its his agent's job to try and gauge interest around the league. I think he's a better player than Ayton who just got paid more than that last summer, but of course its the injury history that could keep some teams away.

I really wouldn't be surprised to see him pick up his option and take the $36 million and I wouldn't be surprised to decline and try to get more long term on a new deal.

Stop. Moving. The. Goal. Posts. 4 years, 120 million is not what you stated previously. You stated 4 years and 100+ million. Twice..

20 million dollars is a significant enough deviation from 100 million where if 120 was actually what you meant in the first place you would have said it. Stop being disingenuous.

[bstein14]

Next year is for 36 million dollars; which is a far cry from 30+ that you are trying to minimize it down to. 11 million more than the 25 million annually you are then saying he should then sign his next contract for.

Any GM in their right mind is going to put in protections / opt out clauses in any contract they sign him to given his durability problems up to this point; so I don't see much to gain for him in terms of security of guaranteed money.

You just don't turn down 11 million dollars more / 36 million guaranteed. Heck. The next contract he signs might not even have that much in totality; with most based off of games played requirements, etc.

We keep having these same conversations where very obvious points are glossed over / dismissed entirely. Is it intentional attempts to mislead or just repeatedly not thinking before posting?

I fairly confidant that if he knew he could get 4 years and $120 million he would opt out and take that long term deal. Of course its his agent's job to try and gauge interest around the league. I think he's a better player than Ayton who just got paid more than that last summer, but of course its the injury history that could keep some teams away.

I really wouldn't be surprised to see him pick up his option and take the $36 million and I wouldn't be surprised to decline and try to get more long term on a new deal.

Stop. Moving. The. Goal. Posts. 4 years, 120 million is not what you stated previously. You stated 4 years and 100+ million. Twice..

20 million dollars is a significant enough deviation from 100 million where if 120 was actually what you meant in the first place you would have said it. Stop being disingenuous.

$120 million is $100+ million... that's where the plus comes in. Of course I don't know the exact number that they would want in order to feel like opting out is the right decision. But I do think given his injury history and coming off a relatively injury free season, locking in a long term 4 year deal for somewhere close to $30 million per season is better than going into next season for one year and $36 million.... even if he has to take somewhere between $27 and $29 million per year on average locking up that money seems like the less risky move as opposed to hoping you stay healthy all next season... that seems like much more of a gamble to me.

[Kilo]

Draymond opts out of his $27.5 million deal with GS to become a FA. Sounds like he wants the long term security of a 4 year $100 million deal or a 3 year $80 million type deal rather than just riding out his last year of his contract.

I don't want him here, I think he would be lockerroom poison x 100 given out very young group and him being a local boy.

Testing to see how much truth there was in GSW saying they wanted to run it all back for one more season. I could see him leave if feels disrespected by an offer.

[Kilo]

Trading for KP is probably not that expensive if DC wants to tank-tank.

[Kalamazoo317]

KP for Bagley straight up? Who says no?

[flow]

Draymond opts out of his $27.5 million deal with GS to become a FA. Sounds like he wants the long term security of a 4 year $100 million deal or a 3 year $80 million type deal rather than just riding out his last year of his contract.

I don't want him here, I think he would be lockerroom poison x 100 given out very young group and him being a local boy.

Testing to see how much truth there was in GSW saying they wanted to run it all back for one more season. I could see him leave if feels disrespected by an offer.

Locker room poison? I couldn't disagree with you more. He's exactly what our locker room needs.

[Invictus88]

I fairly confidant that if he knew he could get 4 years and $120 million he would opt out and take that long term deal. Of course its his agent's job to try and gauge interest around the league. I think he's a better player than Ayton who just got paid more than that last summer, but of course its the injury history that could keep some teams away.

I really wouldn't be surprised to see him pick up his option and take the $36 million and I wouldn't be surprised to decline and try to get more long term on a new deal.

Stop. Moving. The. Goal. Posts. 4 years, 120 million is not what you stated previously. You stated 4 years and 100+ million. Twice..

20 million dollars is a significant enough deviation from 100 million where if 120 was actually what you meant in the first place you would have said it. Stop being disingenuous.

$120 million is $100+ million... that's where the plus comes in..

Okay. From this point forward when I mention contract terms here (even in the hundreds of millions) I will always state them as 1+ million since it will technically always be correct in your eyes; even though from the perspective of having an informed and meaningful discussion about contract terms it's absolutely useless.

Do you see how ridiculous you sound here?

[Snakebites]

Guys, is all this conflict really necessary?

[bstein14]

Stop. Moving. The. Goal. Posts. 4 years, 120 million is not what you stated previously. You stated 4 years and 100+ million. Twice..

20 million dollars is a significant enough deviation from 100 million where if 120 was actually what you meant in the first place you would have said it. Stop being disingenuous.

$120 million is $100+ million... that's where the plus comes in..

Okay. From this point forward when I mention contract terms here (even in the hundreds of millions) I will always state them as 1+ million since it will technically always be correct in your eyes; even though from the perspective of having an informed and meaningful discussion about contract terms it's absolutely useless.

Do you see how ridiculous you sound here?

I don't sound ridiculous at all. I would say that the floor for a four year deal for Porzingas is probably four years $100 million. I'd say the ceiling would be four years $120 or just slightly over that amount. Perhaps we'll never know because he might opt in and play out his last year. Perhaps we'll fine out exactly where he falls in that range because he'll opt out to secure a four year deal. We'll know soon. I have never claimed he'll only get $100 million and I've never claimed he will get $120+ I'm only saying that if its closer to the $120 million number he things he can get, then he's almost certainly opt out for that amount.

Not sure why we're being so argumentative over it I am not speaking in any absolutes just the opinion that his biggest risk would be to play out his single year because a major injury could have him out a lot of guaranteed money. But perhaps that is a risk he's willing to take.

[Invictus88]

Guys, I’d all this conflict really necessary?

Sorry Snakebites. I just grow tired of his antics sometimes and the abject refusal to back down from a position; even if it means being purposefully and knowingly misleading.

My naïve hope would be by calling him out on these things that he'd take a step back and reevaluate. Or at the very least it would make some of the farces more evident.

But I need to give other readers here more credit than that. And I think any hope for a change in his behavior is just that: naïve. And you're right that going off on tangents like these probably can hurt the discussion quality more than it helps.

Per your implied request I'll back off here.

[Snakebites]

Guys, I’d all this conflict really necessary?

Sorry Snakebites. I just grow tired of his antics sometimes and the abject refusal to back down from a position; even if it means being purposefully and knowingly misleading.

My naïve hope would be by calling him out on these things that he'd take a step back and reevaluate. Or at the very least it would make some of the farces more evident.

But I need to give other readers here more credit than that. And I think any hope for a change in his behavior is just that: naïve.

Per your implied request I'll back off here.

I’m not really seeing that you stepped over the line per se, and I certainly don’t mind disagreements on issues.

I just got the sense you were getting upset, and I didn’t see why it was needed for this topic.

And yeah, it’s the internet. Having people not back down kinda comes with the territory.

[mattao313]

Well at the very least we'll be better then the Wizards this season


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[Snakebites]

Well at the very least we'll be better then the Wizards this season


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Yep. All gone.

Right move for them.

Wondering if we might make a play for the 17th pick. Worth kicking the tires on at least.

[keepitrealhomes]

We’ve apparently called on Tobias Harris. tobi for bogey and bagley? I can’t imagine another trade that really makes sense, and even that one doesn’t make much sense, at least on the sixers end. I could at least rationalize that our way.

[Canadafan]

We’ve apparently called on Tobias Harris. tobi for bogey and bagley? I can’t imagine another trade that really makes sense, and even that one doesn’t make much sense, at least on the sixers end. I could at least rationalize that our way.

https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/sixers-nba-draft-tobias-harris-trade-james-harden-20230622.html?int_promo=

[bstein14]

The Porzingas trade falls apart. It will be interesting if another team tries to jump in on an opt-in and trade deal for Porzingas or if he just opts out and moves into FA.... or opts in just to stay with the Wizards.

[bstein14]

The only Harris trade that could possibly make sense would be one with Bojan + another Piston (Wiseman, Bagley, Burks, or Hayes) going back to Philly. It would make some sense to downgrade from Bojan to Harris only because Harris is 4 years younger. Bojan for sure was a more complete offensive weapon last season but you can't expect as much from him as he turns 35 towards the end of this season.

I wouldn't be surprised if Philly is looking at Harris' massive expiring contract as a piece of the puzzle to get them a star player... packaged with a pile of picks of course.

Would the Sixers be interested in trading Harris(and some picks) for Porzingas to opt in and then extend him? Seems like Porzingas and Embiid could form a PF/C combo that most teams would have an incredibly hard time putting a big defender on both guys and they both hit will enough from the perimeter that they can create space for one another it wouldn't be like a classic twin towers clogging the lane.

[bstein14]

Looks like Porzingas did get traded to Boston just before his midnight deadline to opt out.

Marcus Smart is going to the Grizzlies in the deal which is pretty crazy. Tyus Jones going to the Wizards, and Tyus has been the best backup PG in the league for. awhile its why Memphis never misses a beat when Ja is out. Tyus will be a great young piece for Washington to start their rebuild.

[LaSheed]

Yeah really not a bad deal all around imo. Celtics did very well.

Does this bring Bojans price down to reality for us?