The Trade Thread

[Q00]

Proposed on the Trade forum

Detroit gets Lee, Barnes
GSW gets Josh Smith, #8


I didn't think the value was quite there so I suggested these alternatives.

Detroit gets Lee, Barnes, #17
GSW gets Josh Smith, #14, #26
PHO gets #8

OR

Detroit gets Lee, Barnes, Martin
GSW gets Josh Smith, #13
Minnesota gets #8

No, no, and no. We're giving away the best player in all these deals so why trade the lottery pick. Josh Smith isn't Ben Gordon.

Why not just keep it simple and trade #8 for Barnes?

Barnes isn't worth the 8th pick. We don't need Lee either, but I'd trade Monroe for Barnes (8th pick not included).

I think the best players in this draft might be bigs, so the Pistons would be wise to deal Monroe for a perimeter guy and then get their PF at 7/8 on a cheap rookie deal, instead of paying 4x the price for Monroe at the same position.

[jakebernat]

A chance to do a Love/Rubio for Monroe/Smith/Jennings swap ?

lol no chance, but I think we should definitely go hard after rubio after love leaves town. if he could improve his perimeter shooting just a little bit, then he'd be absolutely perfect for us as a big, pass-first, defensive point guard.

[jakebernat]

just building off that rubio thought: if love does leave town, and minny decided they wanna tear it down and go after the number 1 pick, maybe we could force them to take back jennings in a sign-and-trade for rubio. their intention would obviously be to land a stop gap PG to make them as bad as possible.

i have a man crush on rubio if you couldn't tell

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[Q00]

Jennings gets criticized a lot for his 37% FG this season, but Rubio has a career 37% FG.

He's a better defender, but their playmaking is about even, and Jennings is a much better 3 pt shooter.

You would basically just be trading 3 pt shooting for defense, and being that this team needs both equally, I'm not sure you would really gain anything.

I think the best PG for this team might be a defensive guy who is a threat from 3, and might not be the best playmaker, but knows how to run an offense and doesn't turn it over.

Some might say we had that in Knight, but he had no clue how to run an offense.

[MotownMadness]

Jennings gets criticized a lot for his 37% FG this season, but Rubio has a career 37% FG.

He's a better defender, but their playmaking is about even, and Jennings is a much better 3 pt shooter.

You would basically just be trading 3 pt shooting for defense, and being that this team needs both equally, I'm not sure you would really gain anything.

I think the best PG for this team might be a defensive guy who is a threat from 3, and might not be the best playmaker, but knows how to run an offense and doesn't turn it over.

Some might say we had that in Knight, but he had no clue how to run an offense.

The difference is Rubio is aware that he cant shoot and doesnt go out every game chucking up shots MJ couldnt hit.

[Sheeeeed]

I do got an interesting idea if the Pistons move up in the lottery and get the 3rd pick. If Wiggins, and Parker( if he comes out ) are gone, trade back with Boston for the 5th pick, and send Smith their way for Gerald Wallace and 18th draft pick or the Nets 2016 draft pick.

[ImHeisenberg]

I do got an interesting idea if the Pistons move up in the lottery and get the 3rd pick. If Wiggins, and Parker( if he comes out ) are gone, trade back with Boston for the 5th pick, and send Smith their way for Gerald Wallace and 18th draft pick or the Nets 2016 draft pick.

Yeah, no thanks.

How about we take Dante Exum or Joel Embiid and worry about trading Smith later, like a sane person?

[Sheeeeed]

I do got an interesting idea if the Pistons move up in the lottery and get the 3rd pick. If Wiggins, and Parker( if he comes out ) are gone, trade back with Boston for the 5th pick, and send Smith their way for Gerald Wallace and 18th draft pick or the Nets 2016 draft pick.

Yeah, no thanks.

How about we take Dante Exum or Joel Embiid and worry about trading Smith later, like a sane person?

The Pistons don't need Embiid, and Exum still might be their with the 5th pick. I'd defiantly do this assuming the Magic love Smart as much as they did like year, and the Pistons can take Exum 5th.

[ImHeisenberg]

I do got an interesting idea if the Pistons move up in the lottery and get the 3rd pick. If Wiggins, and Parker( if he comes out ) are gone, trade back with Boston for the 5th pick, and send Smith their way for Gerald Wallace and 18th draft pick or the Nets 2016 draft pick.

Yeah, no thanks.

How about we take Dante Exum or Joel Embiid and worry about trading Smith later, like a sane person?

The Pistons don't need Embiid, and Exum still might be their with the 5th pick. I'd defiantly do this assuming the Magic love Smart as much as they did like year, and the Pistons can take Exum 5th.

I missed the part where we swap for the 5th as well.

I'd only complete the deal if Exum is there at 5 (which I doubt). Otherwise, I like the deal.

But, you can't say this team doesn't "need" Embiid. I know we have two good centers already, but we generally suck too much to be a picker, rather than a beggar.

[Q00]

Jennings gets criticized a lot for his 37% FG this season, but Rubio has a career 37% FG.

He's a better defender, but their playmaking is about even, and Jennings is a much better 3 pt shooter.

You would basically just be trading 3 pt shooting for defense, and being that this team needs both equally, I'm not sure you would really gain anything.

I think the best PG for this team might be a defensive guy who is a threat from 3, and might not be the best playmaker, but knows how to run an offense and doesn't turn it over.

Some might say we had that in Knight, but he had no clue how to run an offense.

The difference is Rubio is aware that he cant shoot and doesnt go out every game chucking up shots MJ couldnt hit.

That doesn't solve the problem of no 3 pt shooting though. Whether Rubio is shooting and missing or not shooting at all, the end result is still no 3 pt shooting. I like Rubio but I just think we need a better 3 pt shooter at PG than him, and I think his defense is a little overrated too. He gets a lot of steals but he's not really a shutdown defender anymore than Jennings is.

If we're talking Rondo, I could live with his lack of 3pt shooting because he is a bonafide shutdown defender, but Rubio just isn't of that caliber on that end to make up for his lack of shooting, in my opinion.

[MotownMadness]

Yeah, no thanks.

How about we take Dante Exum or Joel Embiid and worry about trading Smith later, like a sane person?

The Pistons don't need Embiid, and Exum still might be their with the 5th pick. I'd defiantly do this assuming the Magic love Smart as much as they did like year, and the Pistons can take Exum 5th.

I missed the part where we swap for the 5th as well.

I'd only complete the deal if Exum is there at 5 (which I doubt). Otherwise, I like the deal.

But, you can't say this team doesn't "need" Embiid. I know we have two good centers already, but we generally suck too much to be a picker, rather than a beggar.

If we were in a situation to draft Embiid than I would call up the Cavs and offer him and Jennings for Irving and the 9th pick.

[Sheeeeed]

Yeah, no thanks.

How about we take Dante Exum or Joel Embiid and worry about trading Smith later, like a sane person?

The Pistons don't need Embiid, and Exum still might be their with the 5th pick. I'd defiantly do this assuming the Magic love Smart as much as they did like year, and the Pistons can take Exum 5th.

I missed the part where we swap for the 5th as well.

I'd only complete the deal if Exum is there at 5 (which I doubt). Otherwise, I like the deal.

But, you can't say this team doesn't "need" Embiid. I know we have two good centers already, but we generally suck too much to be a picker, rather than a beggar.

I get that, but at the same time I can't help but think of the Jazz or Raptors who've constantly picked or traded big men and have little to show for it. Unless the plan is to get rid of both Smith and Monroe this offseason, I don't think Embiid should be seriously considered.

[kurtis48239]

I'm leaning toward cleaning house this offseason.

1) Bye-bye Dumars. Thanks for everything, but time for both sides to move on.

2) Bye-bye Loyer!

3) Trade Monroe for PLUS asset(s). Need to build around Drummond. Maybe #8 and Monroe to move up into the top-3 for Parker or Wiggins? (Monroe/8 to Milwaukee for Henson/2 or 3 perhaps?) We need a PF that can at least hit the 15-18 footers with regularity without being a total matador defensively.

4) Trade Smith and Jennings for expirings? Is that too unrealistic? Both to the Knicks for Amare or Bargs would be golden.

5) Need a fresh, new start!

I could be wrong but I didnt think you could trade monroe for another player because hes a RFA.I think you can trade him to move up in the draft but not if another player is attached to the pick.

[Sheeeeed]

The Pistons don't need Embiid, and Exum still might be their with the 5th pick. I'd defiantly do this assuming the Magic love Smart as much as they did like year, and the Pistons can take Exum 5th.

I missed the part where we swap for the 5th as well.

I'd only complete the deal if Exum is there at 5 (which I doubt). Otherwise, I like the deal.

But, you can't say this team doesn't "need" Embiid. I know we have two good centers already, but we generally suck too much to be a picker, rather than a beggar.

If we were in a situation to draft Embiid than I would call up the Cavs and offer him and Jennings for Irving and the 9th pick.

I imagine Irving's wanting out won't be any different in Detroit even if signs an extension. He probably wants to be in a big market.

[paQo the BAWSER]

Who is worse defender for you, Irving or Lillard?

[jakebernat]

Jennings gets criticized a lot for his 37% FG this season, but Rubio has a career 37% FG.

He's a better defender, but their playmaking is about even, and Jennings is a much better 3 pt shooter.

You would basically just be trading 3 pt shooting for defense, and being that this team needs both equally, I'm not sure you would really gain anything.

I think the best PG for this team might be a defensive guy who is a threat from 3, and might not be the best playmaker, but knows how to run an offense and doesn't turn it over.

Some might say we had that in Knight, but he had no clue how to run an offense.

1) rubio's FG% is underwhelming albiet his scoring is efficient. the dude only takes 8 shots a game netting almost 10 points each night. he knows he's limited as a scorer, but he's insanely gifted as a passer, so he simply plays to his strengths unlike jennings who averages 6 more shot attempts which translate to only 6 more points. also, rubio averages one more assist than jennings despite having a 7% disadvantage in their respected usage rates (rubio 16.4%, jennings 23.4%)

2) jennings is a mediocre 3 point shooter who thinks he can drain it from anywhere at any time (not too much unlike his buddy). 34% isn't a bad percentage, but when you take into account the fact that he's taking nearly 6 a game and basically sparking easy fast break opportunities for the other team, you have to draw the line. again, rubio understands both his limitations in his shooting ability as well as the consequences of bad shots, so he only takes 1.6 3's a game. give me the guy that will do everything to find drumroe or an open shooter over the guy who's already thinking about a stepback jumper with 20 seconds on the shot clock.

3) DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE...DEFENSE.

how can you even put rubio and jennings in the same stratosphere of running an offense? you can win with one guy. you can win the lottery with the other.

also, you basically described chauncey at the end of your post...

[MotownMadness]

Who is worse defender for you, Irving or Lillard?

Tough choice but I love Irvings offensive gifts.

[kurtis48239]

Go hard for lowry,trade monroe for quality assets or starter,draft bpa,and go forward from there.

[BadMofoPimp]

For better or worse, I feel the Pistons are stuck with Jennings. Now Josh, I feel the Pistons are working hard to trade him. If there are any changes, it will be a Josh Smith trade.

[kurtis48239]

Jennings gets criticized a lot for his 37% FG this season, but Rubio has a career 37% FG.

He's a better defender, but their playmaking is about even, and Jennings is a much better 3 pt shooter.

You would basically just be trading 3 pt shooting for defense, and being that this team needs both equally, I'm not sure you would really gain anything.

I think the best PG for this team might be a defensive guy who is a threat from 3, and might not be the best playmaker, but knows how to run an offense and doesn't turn it over.

Some might say we had that in Knight, but he had no clue how to run an offense.

1) rubio's FG% is underwhelming albiet his scoring is efficient. the dude only takes 8 shots a game netting almost 10 points each night. he knows he's limited as a scorer, but he's insanely gifted as a passer, so he simply plays to his strengths unlike jennings who averages 6 more shot attempts which translate to only 6 more points. also, rubio averages one more assist than jennings despite having a 7% disadvantage in their respected usage rates (rubio 16.4%, jennings 23.4%)

2) jennings is a mediocre 3 point shooter who thinks he can drain it from anywhere at any time (not too much unlike his buddy). 34% isn't a bad percentage, but when you take into account the fact that he's taking nearly 6 a game and basically sparking easy fast break opportunities for the other team, you have to draw the line. again, rubio understands both his limitations in his shooting ability as well as the consequences of bad shots, so he only takes 1.6 3's a game. give me the guy that will do everything to find drumroe or an open shooter over the guy who's already thinking about a stepback jumper with 20 seconds on the shot clock.

3) DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE...DEFENSE.

how can you even put rubio and jennings in the same stratosphere of running an offense? you can win with one guy. you can win the lottery with the other.

also, you basically described chauncey at the end of your post...

Iam not debating jennings vs rubio,but if the guy cant get the wolfs to the playoffs with love and pec,I dont think hes going to have much more luck with dre smith/moose.