Tobias Harris To Pursue Near Max Deal With Pistons, Celtics Among Leading Suitors

[Cowology]

hypothetical... Would you give Meeks the Ben Gordon treatment and part with a 1st in order to dump him on Philly (or whomever)? The BG trade was widely criticized and there is no guarantee that even if you free up the cap space you could net 2 of Harris, Green, Carroll.

[MotownMadness]

Harris is a really, really good player, but he disappears like a magician at times. I'm sure this has been touched on, but would you guys prefer Harris or Draymond?

Regardless both are going to get the max where ever they go.

Draymond, He's a elite defender and would really give us a shot at having the best defensive starting 5 within a year or two.

Jackson
KCP
Johnson
Draymond
Drummond

Yeah that's a lot of defensive potential and youth.

[Cowology]

I like Draymond more as a player, but I'm not sure he'd provide enough offense with that frontline. Harris seems like the better fit.

[Liver_Pooty]

I like Draymond more as a player, but I'm not sure he'd provide enough offense with that frontline. Harris seems like the better fit.

At least as far as my way of thinking goes, and this is certainly up for debate I go for the better player. I think Green is a better player than Harris is. Is Harris a better fit? Eh, perhaps. Harris shot 36% from 3 last year. Green shot 34%. Its obvious who the better defensive player is.

Then again one could argue that Draymond is as good as he is right now because he is on a fantastic team. Harris not so much, hardly actually.

Its a toss up. Flip a coin. At the end of the day I think you go with the hometown boy.

[Cowology]

Stripping down the offensive comparison to 3pt% is doing Harris a grave injustice. And for the record, while a fan of Draymond, I do think he benefited greatly from playing in GS. Kinda like Marion in Phx.

[Liver_Pooty]

Stripping down the offensive comparison to 3pt% is doing Harris a grave injustice. And for the record, while a fan of Draymond, I do think he benefited greatly from playing in GS. Kinda like Marion in Phx.

I can agree with that entirely.

[Blkbrd671]

Why would Green come to a 32-50 Detroit team to come off the bench? Makes no sense. if he comes here and we pay him 11-12 mil a year, he is starting.


http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2015/04/detroit_pistons_coach_puts_ken.html

from this article I don't think SVG is sold on KCP

You mean the player that svg entrusted with the most minutes and has called him part of our core ?


Detroit vs Everybody

He was literally our ONLY good wing defender for more than half the season till Reggie came. That may be the reason he had to play. SVG would bring in Jodie for offensive purposes then have to take him out because he was god awful on defense. Probably the reason he played the most minutes. We had Jennings/Meeks/Singler who are all bad defensively. KCP had to guard 1's, 2's and 3's.

Trust me if we get Green and SJ shows anything, KCP will be a 6th man. I don't dislike KCP but he doesn't really do anything well offensively.

Like Snakebites eluded, Reggie, KCP and SJ would have horrible spacing. Thats why I don't want Harris. Harris at the 4 would cause even worse spacing. I think KCP could be the odd man out. If we don't get Green or any other big free agent and just sign a Brewer type free agent I think this will be KCP's last year to prove himself.

What you severely underestimate is how well kcp defends and plays within office. It's common sense if he doesn't perform he'll sit, but Danny greens offense isn't more important than kcp defense. Kcp was also touted as "nba defensively ready", there is a adjustment period. Green should be signed purely because what he does well is what makes the offense so potent


Detroit vs Everybody

[mattao313]

Man the people arguin against Harris are crazy, he would fit great. He is a very good finisher at the rim, he is a good off the ball player which is good because we have a high usg% PG. Can rebound at a good rate and can split time at the 3 with SJ. If we could get him and just get a big 7 footer to be a backup to Dre I would be totally satisfied. If we couldn't make the playoffs with that team the Pistons franchise is just cursed.

[DetroitPistons]

I am completely on board the Harris bandwagon. Normally I don't like tweener forwards but I think he is exactly what we need and would fit like a glove in SVG's offense. He would instantly become our second best scorer behind Jackson. He would also be a perfect compliment to Johnson's defense and would be a nightmare cover for opposing PF's. Having KCP, Johnson, and Harris would give us amazing versatility since all three of those guys can legitimately play two positions. If he struggles with some bigger match ups we still have Ilyasova to come in off the bench. I say we throw a max contract at him immediately, then fill in any other small holes on the roster before resigning Jackson and call it an offseason.

Jackson/Jennings/Dinwiddie
Caldwell-Pope/Meeks
Johnson/Miller
Harris/Ilyasova/Tolliver
Drummond/Anthony

That would be one heck of a young core!

[DetroitPistons]

I like Draymond more as a player, but I'm not sure he'd provide enough offense with that frontline. Harris seems like the better fit.

With KCP, Johnson, and Drummond being streaky on offense at times I think we need a scorer at PF. We should be thinking Harris all the way. Also, I think GSW is far more likely to match an offer for Green than Orlando is for Harris.

[BadMofoPimp]

I like Draymond more as a player, but I'm not sure he'd provide enough offense with that frontline. Harris seems like the better fit.

With KCP, Johnson, and Drummond being streaky on offense at times I think we need a scorer at PF. We should be thinking Harris all the way. Also, I think GSW is far more likely to match an offer for Green than Orlando is for Harris.

I have to agree with you there. Magic have $14 mil in Cap room and have 4 guys who can play SF in Harris, A. Gordon, Harkless and Mario. Plus, Fournier and Marble even logged minutes at the 3 in small ball situations. I reckon they can use that money on someone else at this stage. To me, the writing is on the wall once the Magic drafted Mario. Pistons are looking more like a destination unless the Celtics or Knicks are truly interested.

I really like Green because he is a champion and a warrior. He is a Michigan boy who would love to play for the Pistons. Harris, even though I am a huge fan of Harris, doesn't have that mentality and most likely that is because he has been stuck on bottom feeders. But, he can score and create for himself, so that is what the Pistons need. Yet, I am a defense first person and Harris's defense has a lot to be desired, but not because of lack of effort. perhaps, he can thrive under a SVG system controlled defense like Hedo once did.

[Kilo]

hypothetical... Would you give Meeks the Ben Gordon treatment and part with a 1st in order to dump him on Philly (or whomever)? The BG trade was widely criticized and there is no guarantee that even if you free up the cap space you could net 2 of Harris, Green, Carroll.

No way. Meeks was hurt last season and should rebound this season. I'd use that first rounder to send to Orlando in a S&T to make sure we got Harris without them matching though. We wouldn't need two of those three if we got Harris. Harris as a 3/4, means Green would be solely a 2-guard here, and for the two extra years and at least $4M more we'd be paying him over Meeks, I think we'd be better off with Jodie's 2 yrs $12M remaining.

Also we'd have no money left for a back-up center, let alone the two we need.

[Kilo]

I like Draymond more as a player, but I'm not sure he'd provide enough offense with that frontline. Harris seems like the better fit.

With KCP, Johnson, and Drummond being streaky on offense at times I think we need a scorer at PF. We should be thinking Harris all the way. Also, I think GSW is far more likely to match an offer for Green than Orlando is for Harris.

I have to agree with you there. Magic have $14 mil in Cap room and have 4 guys who can play SF in Harris, A. Gordon, Harkless and Mario. Plus, Fournier and Marble even logged minutes at the 3 in small ball situations. I reckon they can use that money on someone else at this stage. To me, the writing is on the wall once the Magic drafted Mario. Pistons are looking more like a destination unless the Celtics or Knicks are truly interested.

I really like Green because he is a champion and a warrior. He is a Michigan boy who would love to play for the Pistons. Harris, even though I am a huge fan of Harris, doesn't have that mentality and most likely that is because he has been stuck on bottom feeders. But, he can score and create for himself, so that is what the Pistons need. Yet, I am a defense first person and Harris's defense has a lot to be desired, but not because of lack of effort. perhaps, he can thrive under a SVG system controlled defense like Hedo once did.

They don't need to keep him if they match though. Let him walk for nothing, or match and then trade him in December - I think it's an easy call for the latter.

FWIW some on the Orlando board are convinced that NYK drafted Porzingis to trade him to Orlando in a S&T for Harris. Yes, really.

[BadMofoPimp]

With KCP, Johnson, and Drummond being streaky on offense at times I think we need a scorer at PF. We should be thinking Harris all the way. Also, I think GSW is far more likely to match an offer for Green than Orlando is for Harris.

I have to agree with you there. Magic have $14 mil in Cap room and have 4 guys who can play SF in Harris, A. Gordon, Harkless and Mario. Plus, Fournier and Marble even logged minutes at the 3 in small ball situations. I reckon they can use that money on someone else at this stage. To me, the writing is on the wall once the Magic drafted Mario. Pistons are looking more like a destination unless the Celtics or Knicks are truly interested.

I really like Green because he is a champion and a warrior. He is a Michigan boy who would love to play for the Pistons. Harris, even though I am a huge fan of Harris, doesn't have that mentality and most likely that is because he has been stuck on bottom feeders. But, he can score and create for himself, so that is what the Pistons need. Yet, I am a defense first person and Harris's defense has a lot to be desired, but not because of lack of effort. perhaps, he can thrive under a SVG system controlled defense like Hedo once did.

They don't need to keep him if they match though. Let him walk for nothing, or match and then trade him in December - I think it's an easy call for the latter.

FWIW some on the Orlando board are convinced that NYK drafted Porzingis to trade him to Orlando in a S&T for Harris. Yes, really.

Now, I wouldn't be surprised if this happened as well. Magic would have to either throw in a future 1st or take back a bad contract or two to make this happen. Henny would be apt to do something like this.

[vic]

This opportunity to get Harris for the max is a no-brainer to me. This guy produces offensively at two different positions, and rebounds.
All at the age of 22. 22. I repeat, 22.

Tobias Harris is younger than Chris Middleton, Draymond Green, and Clay Thompson.

Harris is not even close to his physical or mental maturity yet, let alone potential. To get a guy like this coached by an elite coach and have five years of improvement before he even reaches his prime is a no brainer.

The only issue is will Orlando Match? I say call their bluff and find out. OKC let Harden go. Teams do stupid things all the time. Maybe they're in love with Mario and Aaron Gordon, and want to give Harkless and Foirnier minutes off the bench.

[313 Professor]

I am completely on board the Harris bandwagon. Normally I don't like tweener forwards but I think he is exactly what we need and would fit like a glove in SVG's offense. He would instantly become our second best scorer behind Jackson. He would also be a perfect compliment to Johnson's defense and would be a nightmare cover for opposing PF's. Having KCP, Johnson, and Harris would give us amazing versatility since all three of those guys can legitimately play two positions. If he struggles with some bigger match ups we still have Ilyasova to come in off the bench. I say we throw a max contract at him immediately, then fill in any other small holes on the roster before resigning Jackson and call it an offseason.

Jackson/Jennings/Dinwiddie
Caldwell-Pope/Meeks
Johnson/Miller
Harris/Ilyasova/Tolliver
Drummond/Anthony

That would be one heck of a young core!

You made this sound so good, I almost jumped on board with you. Idk though... Michael Beasley might be $14 million dollars cheaper to do the same thing. He's only 26

[The Penguin]

hypothetical... Would you give Meeks the Ben Gordon treatment and part with a 1st in order to dump him on Philly (or whomever)? The BG trade was widely criticized and there is no guarantee that even if you free up the cap space you could net 2 of Harris, Green, Carroll.

The only way I'm ok with a future 1st going out is if it guaranteed Draymond AND Harris or was needed to make room for LMA AND Carroll/Danny Green.

I would have to believe either of those outcomes + continued development of Drummond/Jackson/KCP almost guarantees a playoff spot (and a interesting squad once we got there).

[Snakebites]

hypothetical... Would you give Meeks the Ben Gordon treatment and part with a 1st in order to dump him on Philly (or whomever)? The BG trade was widely criticized and there is no guarantee that even if you free up the cap space you could net 2 of Harris, Green, Carroll.

Unequivocally no.

Free agency is not a reliable enough way to acquire talent. The Pistons have shown that time and time again. No way do I sacrifice a pick to put more eggs in that basket.

[The Penguin]

With KCP, Johnson, and Drummond being streaky on offense at times I think we need a scorer at PF. We should be thinking Harris all the way. Also, I think GSW is far more likely to match an offer for Green than Orlando is for Harris.

I have to agree with you there. Magic have $14 mil in Cap room and have 4 guys who can play SF in Harris, A. Gordon, Harkless and Mario. Plus, Fournier and Marble even logged minutes at the 3 in small ball situations. I reckon they can use that money on someone else at this stage. To me, the writing is on the wall once the Magic drafted Mario. Pistons are looking more like a destination unless the Celtics or Knicks are truly interested.

I really like Green because he is a champion and a warrior. He is a Michigan boy who would love to play for the Pistons. Harris, even though I am a huge fan of Harris, doesn't have that mentality and most likely that is because he has been stuck on bottom feeders. But, he can score and create for himself, so that is what the Pistons need. Yet, I am a defense first person and Harris's defense has a lot to be desired, but not because of lack of effort. perhaps, he can thrive under a SVG system controlled defense like Hedo once did.

They don't need to keep him if they match though. Let him walk for nothing, or match and then trade him in December - I think it's an easy call for the latter.

FWIW some on the Orlando board are convinced that NYK drafted Porzingis to trade him to Orlando in a S&T for Harris. Yes, really.

Fans say stupid stuff. We all thought for sure we'd take Winslow if we got the chance, Stan made us look like idiots. (Hopefully he's right).

[A-Wins]

A potential core of Reggie, KCP, Stan, Tobias, and Dre seems nice but we're putting a lot on expecting some major improvements, aren't we?