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Post#161 » by rmfc » Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:48 pm

GreatWhiteStiff wrote:Made 11 of his last 41 FGA in last 3. Still 7+ boards/assists.

I guess his shooting hasn't been fixed yet afterall, perhaps.


As long as Cade's FT% looks good (which is very good) and is able to create space for himself, I wouldn't worry about his FG% at all.

Similar to the rest of the young players on the team, I just want to see Cade get used to the speed, quickness and length of players in the NBA through out this season.

The W/L totals of the team are of zero interest at this time.
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Post#162 » by Jackattaq » Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:16 pm

Number one overall picks should shoot better than 25%.
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Post#163 » by Billl » Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:38 pm

Not sure how anyone can look at cade shoot and be to worried about that long term. He's obviously not knocking them down right now, but everything about his stroke looks like he'll be a very good shooter eventually.

And he's still putting up 13/6/5 even on those horrible percentages. When he starts knocking down those 3's and guys start having to play up on him, he's going to be a special player.
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Post#164 » by MotownMadness » Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:22 pm

Billl wrote:Not sure how anyone can look at cade shoot and be to worried about that long term. He's obviously not knocking them down right now, but everything about his stroke looks like he'll be a very good shooter eventually.

And he's still putting up 13/6/5 even on those horrible percentages. When he starts knocking down those 3's and guys start having to play up on him, he's going to be a special player.

Yeah I'm not worried about his shot at all moving forward. Cades gonna be great but he does so many thing out there it's gonna take some time to put all of it together.
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Post#165 » by Snakebites » Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:07 pm

rmfc wrote:
GreatWhiteStiff wrote:Made 11 of his last 41 FGA in last 3. Still 7+ boards/assists.

I guess his shooting hasn't been fixed yet afterall, perhaps.


As long as Cade's FT% looks good (which is very good) and is able to create space for himself, I wouldn't worry about his FG% at all.

Similar to the rest of the young players on the team, I just want to see Cade get used to the speed, quickness and length of players in the NBA through out this season.

The W/L totals of the team are of zero interest at this time.

His free throw percentage means almost nothing at his current rate of getting to the line.
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Post#166 » by bstein14 » Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:38 pm

I'd love to see Cade get himself in the conversation for ROY and I don't think he has a real chance if he continues to shoot so poorly. Hopefully December he takes a 5+% step forward. He doesn't have to be great, but you'd like to see his overall shooting at least at 40% and his 3 point shooting at least at 30%.
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Post#167 » by bstein14 » Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:40 pm

Snakebites wrote:
rmfc wrote:
GreatWhiteStiff wrote:Made 11 of his last 41 FGA in last 3. Still 7+ boards/assists.

I guess his shooting hasn't been fixed yet afterall, perhaps.


As long as Cade's FT% looks good (which is very good) and is able to create space for himself, I wouldn't worry about his FG% at all.

Similar to the rest of the young players on the team, I just want to see Cade get used to the speed, quickness and length of players in the NBA through out this season.

The W/L totals of the team are of zero interest at this time.

His free throw percentage means almost nothing at his current rate of getting to the line.


You're correct because he gets there so little, his great FT% barely puts a bump into that over TS%. I believe Cade is 7th or 8th worst in the league in TS% for players playing over 20 MPG and Hayes is 3rd or 4th worst in the league in TS%.
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Post#168 » by Vampirate » Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:41 am

Cade pretty much takes over half of his shot attempts from 3. He's shooting 25% there. He's also coming from a ham injury and only played 13 games.

Aside from Wagner and Duarte, pretty much every single rookie is shooting at 30% or below from 3.

Green, Barnes, Mobley, Cade, Suggs, Giddey are all not lighting it up from 3.

The players that are having a good season from 3 are Duarte a 24 year old whose main contribution is the 3 point shot, and Wagner a who is basically a stretch big.

And all this said, rookies struggle, go look up Lebron's and KD shooting percentages as a rookie, they are not pretty. Both of those guys just got to the line a 5 times a game to float above water.

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Post#169 » by Manocad » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:10 am

Vampirate wrote:Cade pretty much takes over half of his shot attempts from 3. He's shooting 25% there. He's also coming from a ham injury and only played 13 games.

Aside from Wagner and Duarte, pretty much every single rookie is shooting at 30% or below from 3.

Green, Barnes, Mobley, Cade, Suggs, Giddey are all not lighting it up from 3.

The players that are having a good season from 3 are Duarte a 24 year old whose main contribution is the 3 point shot, and Wagner a who is basically a stretch big.

And all this said, rookies struggle, go look up Lebron's and KD shooting percentages as a rookie, they are not pretty. Both of those guys just got to the line a 5 times a game to float above water.

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Post#170 » by whitehops » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:46 pm

i have little question cade will figure it out. he's already able to get to his spots on most occasions and his threes often look good; he has a clean stroke, shoots with balance and confidence and his misses are usually dead on, just a little short or long. to me it's just a matter of time before we start to see the elite shooter that he was in college.

i don't know if it will be a gradual improvement or if something will just "click" for cade. you don't have to go back too far to see another first overall pick that was getting the bust label early in his first season... anthony edwards was being called a bust and he did play poorly - in the 36 games before the all star break he averaged 15/4/3 on .466 TS% (30% from 3) and in the 36 games after the all star break he averaged 24/5/3 on .567 TS% (35% from 3).

i have little doubt cade will take the next step, i just don't know if it will be later this season or next season. on the positive side he is really showing his advanced passing ability and is closer to "PG" status in that regard than the "SG" label he was hit with in the pre-draft process, all because of his AST/TO ratio.

Snakebites wrote:His free throw percentage means almost nothing at his current rate of getting to the line.

i'd agree normally but it aligns with his college free throw percentage as well - it's a pretty stable metric.
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Post#171 » by rmfc » Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:04 pm

Anthony Edwards was called a bust. Killian will end up in Europe in his 3rd season.

Quite a few posters are (unintentional) comedians.
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Post#172 » by Snakebites » Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:09 pm

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Snakebites wrote:His free throw percentage means almost nothing at his current rate of getting to the line.

i'd agree normally but it aligns with his college free throw percentage as well - it's a pretty stable metric.

I think you missed my point.

It wasn’t that I don’t believe Cade is a good free throw shooter. It’s that being one doesn’t matter if you don’t get to the line. It does not make him more efficient.
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Post#173 » by whitehops » Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:18 pm

Snakebites wrote:I think you missed my point.

It wasn’t that I don’t believe Cade is a good free throw shooter. It’s that being one doesn’t matter if you don’t get to the line. It does not make him more efficient.

i did misunderstand your point. yeah long term cade's free throw rate is a bit of a concern.
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Post#174 » by 7r5ur » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:58 pm

whitehops wrote:
Snakebites wrote:I think you missed my point.

It wasn’t that I don’t believe Cade is a good free throw shooter. It’s that being one doesn’t matter if you don’t get to the line. It does not make him more efficient.

i did misunderstand your point. yeah long term cade's free throw rate is a bit of a concern.


His free throw rate on a per minute basis is exactly the same as Steph Curry in his rookie year, just sayin.

Now he just needs to remember how to shoot threes and he'll be aight :lol:
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Post#175 » by MotownMadness » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:06 pm

Alright, Cade needs a good efficient like 5 games in a row starting tonight.
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Post#176 » by Snakebites » Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:18 pm

At the moment he and Killian have about the same true shooting percentage.

It's really wild how bad our offense has been so far. Nobody is having a good season or has numbers that look good so far. NOBODY.
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Post#177 » by Manocad » Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:12 am

Snakebites wrote:At the moment he and Killian have about the same true shooting percentage.

It's really wild how bad our offense has been so far. Nobody is having a good season or has numbers that look good so far. NOBODY.

Exactly why I don't have knee jerk reactions like Cade is a bust, trade everybody, fire Casey, blah blah blah. We've all seen what every one of these players CAN do, both individually and as a team. And they're simply not as bad as they're playing right now--well, except maybe for Lyles. Unfortunately the team has just run into a stretch of 10-12 games where NOBODY can find the hoop. Certainly you can blame Casey for not running an offense that includes higher percentage shots when the 3's aren't dropping, but it's not like we're seeing everyone only bricking 3's--they're missing EVERYTHING. Wide open 3's, layups, floaters, you name it.
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Post#178 » by MotownMadness » Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:22 pm

Its frustrating to see his efficiency so low to say the least. I still think he has a good second half and takes off next year.

His shot just doesn't look broken and he's such high USG along with volume that eventually has to start improving with a big uptick.
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Post#179 » by whitehops » Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:44 pm

Snakebites wrote:At the moment he and Killian have about the same true shooting percentage.

It's really wild how bad our offense has been so far. Nobody is having a good season or has numbers that look good so far. NOBODY.


it shouldn't be a surprise that there are four teams in their own tier at the bottom of offensive efficiency - DET, OKC, HOU and ORL. all four teams are in the same boat where they have the youngest rosters in the league (houston has a few more vets so they're 8th youngest) and playing young guys (especially guards) heavy minutes.

literally all five of our starters have a below average TS% and the only players on the team with average or higher are diallo, lyles, garza, olynyk and CoJo. olynyk is the only one shooting more than 7 shots a game.
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Post#180 » by mattao313 » Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:46 am

I didn't think he'd play that well but I'd be lying if i said I'm not a little disappointed so far with him shooting 33% bricking wide open shots. Hopefully he'll start hitting shots at a higher clip soon.

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