Woj: Pistons finalizing a trade for Bol Bol

[Slim Charless]

And the two front offices for the Pistons that voided those trades were entirely different. Donatas is just bitter and trying to jump on the Pistons right now due to this timing.

Question for you guys: since this deal is voided and I (assume) there's still interest in Jalen Smith. Do you think your front office would do a Killian for Jalen swap? Thx

You must not have heard that Killian Hayes, 56 games into his NBA career, is garbage who will never amount to anything. He can't possibly have value to another team since he'll likely be out of the NBA in the next four minutes or so.

CP3 has managed to make a lot of crappy ball players good again. I'd hope for the chance for him to do it again.

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I don't Jalen Smith's game well enough to know If I'd do that swap. Killian is playing out of position, primarily being asked to be the two to Cade's one. And saying he's "garbage who will never mount to anything" is obviously sarcasm and a stretch, but Killian just has nothing dynamic about him.

I was listening to a Ringer podcast talking about the worst teams in the league. Mostly they defended Detroit for having Cade and a sense of direction, but when they mentioned Killian, there was a silent pause and then, "Wolf." And then, "That was bad." They couldn't come up with anything else to say on this guy and didn't want to just kick someone while on the ground.

Clearly Killian won't be out of the league in four minutes because the Pistons will start him whether he should be or not for the rest of the season.

After his rookie contract? Probably not. He can defend, hit an open three, make the smart pass. Maybe in a different situation he wouldn't look so awful compared to what the team needs.

[FloridaMan78]

I don't think Jalen Smith will command that much money to be worried about signing him. Killian has been terrible and probably isn't worth much but I don't see the point of trading him for a guy we can sign in the off season.

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If we did want to sign him, than it would be better not to trade for him. We couldn’t sign him for as much as another team if we did. It’s debatable if he’s worth that much, but if we really wanted him we could easily lose him with another team offering a few thousand more.

Why wouldn't we be able to offer him more than other teams? Are you getting Bird Rights mixed up with this?



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From the Suns board.

Suns or whichever team trades for him now will not be able to offer him more than $4.6M next season, so I would recommend the Pistons to stay pat an offer him a contract as an UFA in the summer.[/quote]

[Invictus88]

Donatas Montaj…something. We basically ruined any value he had left in the nba

I think this is a bit of a stretch.

His value took a hit in the short term sure but he had plenty of opportunity the following year in N.O. to reestablish his value (averaging 4.4 pts in 14 minutes in 34 games). The reality is that he didn't and therefore wasn't good enough to be rostered; playing in China for 2 years before having a brief stint in S.A. (averaging 2 pts) before going back to China.

If anything we identified something that other teams later saw as well. He had later opportunities to show otherwise and simply did not play well enough to stay in the league. Otherwise he would be here.

Sorry, that was partially sarcasm. His career wasn’t anything special. Then the trade happened and didn’t. And he still brings it up.

Without that he’d only be a one year wonder when he put up 12 a night for Houston one season.

My bad. My sarcasm meter missed it

[vege]

Question for you guys: since this deal is voided and I (assume) there's still interest in Jalen Smith. Do you think your front office would do a Killian for Jalen swap? Thx

Can't read their minds. It would be a no-brainer to do it imo, but maybe we have the best chance of any team to sign him this summer.

We've talked this on the Suns board and I think the biggest lure to trading for him as opposed to signing him would be that you get to see how he is in your system before committing to a LTD for him.

I think it would pretty well for both teams personally. Killian is young, so he can sit behind CP3 for a cpl and then hopefully take over.

No, maybe that Brooklyn 2nd, but even that is a maybe, you guys declined his option he doesn't have any value.

[DBC10]

I don't think Jalen Smith will command that much money to be worried about signing him. Killian has been terrible and probably isn't worth much but I don't see the point of trading him for a guy we can sign in the off season.

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Yep, he's probably a nice project signing for next season. Still 21 too and has been productive in the spotty minutes he's been getting and would help with our interior rebounding a tick

Not sure why they'd want Hayes though. They have Cam Payne off the bench and CP3 likely still has a good couple years left like a Stockton type

Cam has been underwhelming this season but we would still use him as the guy for the rest of the season. Killian's lure would be his age, size and profile. He would still be a rookie contract we could take a cheap look at to be someone we tutor under Chris.

Cam isn't someone who will learn anything more under CP3-Killian is still young enough to maybe be different.

I'm not sure if that'd ultimately be what Hayes needs, I get that you need a potential heir to CP3 but Hayes needs consistent playing time (whether that's to start or off the bench) to stop reacting to the pace of the NBA and be adjusted. I don't think playing behind CP3 on a contender will do that for him. Less opportunities unless the FO really is going to commit to giving him chances which we easily can

[DetroitSho]

Question for you guys: since this deal is voided and I (assume) there's still interest in Jalen Smith. Do you think your front office would do a Killian for Jalen swap? Thx

You must not have heard that Killian Hayes, 56 games into his NBA career, is garbage who will never amount to anything. He can't possibly have value to another team since he'll likely be out of the NBA in the next four minutes or so.

CP3 has managed to make a lot of crappy ball players good again. I'd hope for the chance for him to do it again.

Oh naw I got your point, I was replying to Florida Man's post.

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[DetroitSho]

If we did want to sign him, than it would be better not to trade for him. We couldn’t sign him for as much as another team if we did. It’s debatable if he’s worth that much, but if we really wanted him we could easily lose him with another team offering a few thousand more.

Why wouldn't we be able to offer him more than other teams? Are you getting Bird Rights mixed up with this?



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From the Suns board.

Suns or whichever team trades for him now will not be able to offer him more than $4.6M next season, so I would recommend the Pistons to stay pat an offer him a contract as an UFA in the summer.

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I really would like to know the reason behind that.

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[DBC10]

Why wouldn't we be able to offer him more than other teams? Are you getting Bird Rights mixed up with this?



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From the Suns board.

Suns or whichever team trades for him now will not be able to offer him more than $4.6M next season, so I would recommend the Pistons to stay pat an offer him a contract as an UFA in the summer.

I really would like to know the reason behind that.

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I believe it's them declining the 3rd year in his contract as a team option. Similar to a player taking the QO to be a FA next season but in reverse

As for why they did that, who knows. They do have a high payroll and likely wanted to trim costs

[Pharaoh]

They had Ayton, Kaminsky, McGee all in front of him, they have Saric (injured) on their books too.

I'd imagine it was more about money and potential luxury taxes than playing time though as

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[Uncle Mxy]

Sean Elliot

Yep. But the Rockets voided that deal. We were set to receive Robert Horry & Matt Bullard. I was bummed when it didn't go through.

Elliot went back to the Spurs and played seven more seasons. Something seemed odd about that to me at the time. I remember thinking Elliot may have sabotaged the trade but can't recall why.

The Pistons knew Elliott had a bum kidney but wanted to ditch Rodman the talented headcase without looking stupid.
Unfortunately, Elliott didn't want to be a Piston, the Pistons players didn't want Elliott, and sandbagging ensued.

[Slim Charless]

From the Suns board.

Suns or whichever team trades for him now will not be able to offer him more than $4.6M next season, so I would recommend the Pistons to stay pat an offer him a contract as an UFA in the summer.

I really would like to know the reason behind that.

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I believe it's them declining the 3rd year in his contract as a team option. Similar to a player taking the QO to be a FA next season but in reverse

As for why they did that, who knows. They do have a high payroll and likely wanted to trim costs[/quote]


Cost cutting has to do with it as Ayton will be maxed this summer and CP3/Booker/Mikal are all making coin as well. Probably part of the reason he's on the block too right now.

For the most part it's cause we have too many bigs really. I don't think anyone expected Jalen, McGee and Biyombo to all play so well. Plus, obviously there's Ayton whose gonna play 30-35 a night. Only really leaves 20 mins between 3 guys-and that's if someone plays the 4.

Don't need him as much and while we don't really "need" Killian, at least he plays a spot where we have more room.

[440BB]

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I guess the Pistons were right.

[Piston Pete]

So really the only benefit to trading for Bol Bol would have been to attain his RFA status heading into next offseason….

[hoophabit]

I'm sure lots of apologies to Pistons management will be forthcoming?

[bstein14]

It will be interesting to see if Denver ends up just waiving him. I assume this surgery essentially removes anyone from trading for him. Not sure if anyone would claim his small contract off waivers or if he's become a FA and able to sign with any team he wants to sign with.

[440BB]

The Pistons should start contracting out their medical staff to screen incoming players for other NBA teams.

Hopefully Motiejunas can hook Bol Bol up with a Chinese team.

[dezzie_33]

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[Collymore]

Pistons should pick up Bol as a free agent.

[chrbal]

Pistons should pick up Bol as a free agent.

Why. He’s getting surgery and that will make him inactive for 2-3 months