Trade deadline thread

[mattao313]

No way we max kuzma. He's more of a sixthman type

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I've been hearing hes gonna get a max as well. If we give him the bag thats a straight Joe D signing.

I'd be on the fire weaver bandwagon

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[Canadafan]

Ya no thanks to a max for Kuz. I'd give it to Porzingis though

[zeebneeb]

Ya no thanks to a max for Kuz. I'd give it to Porzingis though

If the Pistons miss on VW, I would max KP. Next to Duren it would be sick, and allow KP to play his natural position.


Cade
Ivey/Hayes/Draft pick who knows
Bojan/Bey/Draft pick who knows
KP
Duren

Yeah, im good with that.

[bstein14]

I wouldn't MAX KP, but he is good for a fairly efficient 22 and 8 and is an ok defender (not Bojan bad). I could see him being a $30 million per year guy... 4 years $120 million offer I'd be ok with. I think his max is closer to 4 years $172 million and I think that's too much.

$40
$42
$44
$46

That's too much I think since he's a guy who can get 30% of the cap starting out as a 7+ year vet in the league.

[Canadafan]

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/nba-front-office-confidential-uncertainty-defines-upcoming-trade-deadline-bucks-warriors-mavericks

[The Number 9]

I wouldn't max Porzingis either. Too much of a risk, too injury prone. I know this year seems to be ok on that part, but I want to see more of it to be reassured.
I'm not sure he has a great mindset too, he had problems with his former teams and organisations (he or his closed ones). That again seems to be much better now, but he is in a contract year so I'm a bit skeptical for now.

You probably have guessed, I'm not a fan. Interesting player, but so many things I don't like, I don't trust him to be a valuable piece in a young team.

[breezypeezy]

Feb 9th is the deadline

[Cowology]

Ya no thanks to a max for Kuz. I'd give it to Porzingis though

If the Pistons miss on VW, I would max KP. Next to Duren it would be sick, and allow KP to play his natural position.


Cade
Ivey/Hayes/Draft pick who knows
Bojan/Bey/Draft pick who knows
KP
Duren

Yeah, im good with that.

At that point I'm swapping in Livers or Diallo for somebody. I need some goddam defense out there zeeb lol. This Ivey/Bojan pairing is as bad as Bey/Bojan. Maybe worse.

And I'm not maxing KP either.

[Kalamazoo317]

Until Ivey gets better on defense and cuts down the boneheaded turnovers, I don't want him as a longterm starter next to Cade. Now, obviously, Ivey is a rookie, and that's all stuff young players tend to do, I'm just saying when Cade is back we have the luxury of not just giving Ivey a starting position before he earns it.

[zeebneeb]

Ya no thanks to a max for Kuz. I'd give it to Porzingis though

If the Pistons miss on VW, I would max KP. Next to Duren it would be sick, and allow KP to play his natural position.


Cade
Ivey/Hayes/Draft pick who knows
Bojan/Bey/Draft pick who knows
KP
Duren

Yeah, im good with that.

At that point I'm swapping in Livers or Diallo for somebody. I need some goddam defense out there zeeb lol. This Ivey/Bojan pairing is as bad as Bey/Bojan. Maybe worse.

And I'm not maxing KP either.

Seeing as how im getting hammered for the "max" thing, some team out there is going to throw money at KP. Pistons are going to have to pay a premium, not because they are the Pistons, not because they are a small market (they are NOT) but because they stink to high heaven, and are in the midst of a rebuild. So that may end up being close, or the max. He would fit perfectly next to Duren, when healthy, and would be a great lob threat pair for Cade/Killian.

This is ONLY if they don't land VW. Now as for the defense, I agree Cow. I loathe this current worst in Pistons history defense Piston team as much as the next fan, but what are you gonna do? Unless New Orleans lets go of Herb, the teams options are limited in who they can play out there for defense.

It's a nightmare at the moment, and I'm hoping this trade season will help to clarify Weavers plan. If he does nothing, I will continue to be at a loss as to what direction he is going. He talks a big game about a "restoration", amd about past Pistons teams, while putting together a collection of some of the worst defenders I have ever seen.

I'm just spitballing on how to make this trainwreck relevant again, and if adding KP can start to do that, I do it because he is an actual NBA talent.

This historic run of losing has really clouded my head in how to make this dumpster fire even mediocre.

[bstein14]

If the Pistons miss on VW, I would max KP. Next to Duren it would be sick, and allow KP to play his natural position.


Cade
Ivey/Hayes/Draft pick who knows
Bojan/Bey/Draft pick who knows
KP
Duren

Yeah, im good with that.

At that point I'm swapping in Livers or Diallo for somebody. I need some goddam defense out there zeeb lol. This Ivey/Bojan pairing is as bad as Bey/Bojan. Maybe worse.

And I'm not maxing KP either.

Seeing as how im getting hammered for the "max" thing, some team out there is going to throw money at KP. Pistons are going to have to pay a premium, not because they are the Pistons, not because they are a small market (they are NOT) but because they stink to high heaven, and are in the midst of a rebuild. So that may end up being close, or the max. He would fit perfectly next to Duren, when healthy, and would be a great lob threat pair for Cade/Killian.

This is ONLY if they don't land VW. Now as for the defense, I agree Cow. I loathe this current worst in Pistons history defense Piston team as much as the next fan, but what are you gonna do? Unless New Orleans lets go of Herb, the teams options are limited in who they can play out there for defense.

It's a nightmare at the moment, and I'm hoping this trade season will help to clarify Weavers plan. If he does nothing, I will continue to be at a loss as to what direction he is going. He talks a big game about a "restoration", amd about past Pistons teams, while putting together a collection of some of the worst defenders I have ever seen.

I'm just spitballing on how to make this trainwreck relevant again, and if adding KP can start to do that, I do it because he is an actual NBA talent.

This historic run of losing has really clouded my head in how to make this dumpster fire even mediocre.

You eventually need to pay for starter level talent for sure. I think keeping Bojan at $19 million is better than maxing KP. I think bringing back Jerami Grant at 4 years $112 million is better than maxing KP. I think KP is a good player and you are probably right that one of the teams with $$$ will end up throwing a large deal to KP. I'd much rather have KP than Kuzma. KP's max is just a lot because he's a 7+ year vet so he can start at 30% of the cap.

[zeebneeb]

At that point I'm swapping in Livers or Diallo for somebody. I need some goddam defense out there zeeb lol. This Ivey/Bojan pairing is as bad as Bey/Bojan. Maybe worse.

And I'm not maxing KP either.

Seeing as how im getting hammered for the "max" thing, some team out there is going to throw money at KP. Pistons are going to have to pay a premium, not because they are the Pistons, not because they are a small market (they are NOT) but because they stink to high heaven, and are in the midst of a rebuild. So that may end up being close, or the max. He would fit perfectly next to Duren, when healthy, and would be a great lob threat pair for Cade/Killian.

This is ONLY if they don't land VW. Now as for the defense, I agree Cow. I loathe this current worst in Pistons history defense Piston team as much as the next fan, but what are you gonna do? Unless New Orleans lets go of Herb, the teams options are limited in who they can play out there for defense.

It's a nightmare at the moment, and I'm hoping this trade season will help to clarify Weavers plan. If he does nothing, I will continue to be at a loss as to what direction he is going. He talks a big game about a "restoration", amd about past Pistons teams, while putting together a collection of some of the worst defenders I have ever seen.

I'm just spitballing on how to make this trainwreck relevant again, and if adding KP can start to do that, I do it because he is an actual NBA talent.

This historic run of losing has really clouded my head in how to make this dumpster fire even mediocre.

You eventually need to pay for starter level talent for sure. I think keeping Bojan at $19 million is better than maxing KP. I think bringing back Jerami Grant at 4 years $112 million is better than maxing KP. I think KP is a good player and you are probably right that one of the teams with $$$ will end up throwing a large deal to KP. I'd much rather have KP than Kuzma. KP's max is just a lot because he's a 7+ year vet so he can start at 30% of the cap.

I can't argue any of this, but I'm tired of the "product" the Pistons are putting out in the floor

If they lose like this next year, oh boy.

[buzzkilloton]

I wouldn't MAX KP, but he is good for a fairly efficient 22 and 8 and is an ok defender (not Bojan bad). I could see him being a $30 million per year guy... 4 years $120 million offer I'd be ok with. I think his max is closer to 4 years $172 million and I think that's too much.

$40
$42
$44
$46

That's too much I think since he's a guy who can get 30% of the cap starting out as a 7+ year vet in the league.

If theyll take Bagley back in a sign and trade Id do this. KP at 40mill is better then 12.5 mill Bags.

[buzzkilloton]

Seeing as how im getting hammered for the "max" thing, some team out there is going to throw money at KP. Pistons are going to have to pay a premium, not because they are the Pistons, not because they are a small market (they are NOT) but because they stink to high heaven, and are in the midst of a rebuild. So that may end up being close, or the max. He would fit perfectly next to Duren, when healthy, and would be a great lob threat pair for Cade/Killian.

This is ONLY if they don't land VW. Now as for the defense, I agree Cow. I loathe this current worst in Pistons history defense Piston team as much as the next fan, but what are you gonna do? Unless New Orleans lets go of Herb, the teams options are limited in who they can play out there for defense.

It's a nightmare at the moment, and I'm hoping this trade season will help to clarify Weavers plan. If he does nothing, I will continue to be at a loss as to what direction he is going. He talks a big game about a "restoration", amd about past Pistons teams, while putting together a collection of some of the worst defenders I have ever seen.

I'm just spitballing on how to make this trainwreck relevant again, and if adding KP can start to do that, I do it because he is an actual NBA talent.

This historic run of losing has really clouded my head in how to make this dumpster fire even mediocre.

You eventually need to pay for starter level talent for sure. I think keeping Bojan at $19 million is better than maxing KP. I think bringing back Jerami Grant at 4 years $112 million is better than maxing KP. I think KP is a good player and you are probably right that one of the teams with $$$ will end up throwing a large deal to KP. I'd much rather have KP than Kuzma. KP's max is just a lot because he's a 7+ year vet so he can start at 30% of the cap.

I can't argue any of this, but I'm tired of the "product" the Pistons are putting out in the floor

If they lose like this next year, oh boy.

Next year is season 4. SVG was canned after season 4 for having a crap product. Asking for a playin level team isnt much. 20 teams playin or better. 5 of the last 10 are tanking. Pretty much everyone is playin that tries.

[edmunder_prc]

You max a guy AFTER you hit on a few picks or cheap signing and are on the UPSWING.

Who exactly is this team betting is a star in the making? I've seen Cade play maybe 20 games really well out of the 76 games he dressed.

Ivey has a lot of potential but he doesnt look like a PG (TOs, plays way too fast, drives into the defense and takes bad shots) and he can't shoot well enough to be a SG.

Hayes, Bey, Stewart - best guy is Stewart who looks like a poor man's Horford - 5th guy on a ECF team.

So the team has no choice but to tank and hope again that Weaver makes some good choices. I'm not betting my house on it and probably if we dont get VW or Scoot the team is bottom 5 again next year.

[bstein14]

You would hope that the expectation for next year is a big jump up the standings and playing .500 ball (or close)..... going out and winning 31 games in a 31-51 season and finishing 12th in the East would be a huge disappointment next year IMO even though we'd be trending up. Honestly with Livers, Burks, Bojan, Bey, Stew, and Killian all having contracts on the line after next season you'd think we'd get the best of those guys.... Right now the only guys we have under contract for 2024 are Cade, Bagley, Duren, and Ivey. Cade will also be eligible for a rookie contract extension after next season and I'm sure he'll want a MAX deal and to be taken care of as the #1 pick and that might be a really tough thing to do unless he comes out strong next year and plays like an all-star on a GOOD team.

[Snakebites]

You eventually need to pay for starter level talent for sure. I think keeping Bojan at $19 million is better than maxing KP. I think bringing back Jerami Grant at 4 years $112 million is better than maxing KP. I think KP is a good player and you are probably right that one of the teams with $$$ will end up throwing a large deal to KP. I'd much rather have KP than Kuzma. KP's max is just a lot because he's a 7+ year vet so he can start at 30% of the cap.

I can't argue any of this, but I'm tired of the "product" the Pistons are putting out in the floor

If they lose like this next year, oh boy.

Next year is season 4. SVG was canned after season 4 for having a crap product. Asking for a playin level team isnt much. 20 teams playin or better. 5 of the last 10 are tanking. Pretty much everyone is playin that tries.

Weaver had the mandate to tear it down.

SVG did not and was making moves with the express purpose of becoming competitive and winning more games- whereas Weaver has been more clearly about talent accumulation.

Different expectations, different goals, different situation.

I don't know how much time Weaver deserves/will get, but the comparison doesn't really ring true to me.

[zeebneeb]

You eventually need to pay for starter level talent for sure. I think keeping Bojan at $19 million is better than maxing KP. I think bringing back Jerami Grant at 4 years $112 million is better than maxing KP. I think KP is a good player and you are probably right that one of the teams with $$$ will end up throwing a large deal to KP. I'd much rather have KP than Kuzma. KP's max is just a lot because he's a 7+ year vet so he can start at 30% of the cap.

I can't argue any of this, but I'm tired of the "product" the Pistons are putting out in the floor

If they lose like this next year, oh boy.

Next year is season 4. SVG was canned after season 4 for having a crap product. Asking for a playin level team isnt much. 20 teams playin or better. 5 of the last 10 are tanking. Pretty much everyone is playin that tries.

I was referring to the Pistons win total/win percentage being bad for 5 straight seasons. It would be unprecedented, and I guarantee its going to ruffle some feathers at the league offices, as it reflects poorly on the league as a whole, and sets precedence, the league does not want.

As for Weaver, yeah, its gonna be put up, or shut-up time. All the good will he created with his initial tear down, and picks, is going to be used up by the time next season starts for sure. I don't care what your plan is, if it entails 4 gutter seasons in a row, your master plan better be a full house on the river.

[Snakebites]

I can't argue any of this, but I'm tired of the "product" the Pistons are putting out in the floor

If they lose like this next year, oh boy.

Next year is season 4. SVG was canned after season 4 for having a crap product. Asking for a playin level team isnt much. 20 teams playin or better. 5 of the last 10 are tanking. Pretty much everyone is playin that tries.

I was referring to the Pistons win total/win percentage being bad for 5 straight seasons. It would be unprecedented, and I guarantee its going to ruffle some feathers at the league offices, as it reflects poorly on the league as a whole, and sets precedence, the league does not want.

As for Weaver, yeah, its gonna be put up, or shut-up time. All the good will he created with his initial tear down, and picks, is going to be used up by the time next season starts for sure. I don't care what your plan is, if it entails 4 gutter seasons in a row, your master plan better be a full house on the river.

In theory this is true, but does the brass agree? Weaver just got an extension without any on-court progress.

[zeebneeb]

Next year is season 4. SVG was canned after season 4 for having a crap product. Asking for a playin level team isnt much. 20 teams playin or better. 5 of the last 10 are tanking. Pretty much everyone is playin that tries.

I was referring to the Pistons win total/win percentage being bad for 5 straight seasons. It would be unprecedented, and I guarantee its going to ruffle some feathers at the league offices, as it reflects poorly on the league as a whole, and sets precedence, the league does not want.

As for Weaver, yeah, its gonna be put up, or shut-up time. All the good will he created with his initial tear down, and picks, is going to be used up by the time next season starts for sure. I don't care what your plan is, if it entails 4 gutter seasons in a row, your master plan better be a full house on the river.

In theory this is true, but does the brass agree? Weaver just got an extension without any on-court progress.

That would be part of the goodwill im talking about. The team doesn't need to be a 50 win monster, im talking about getting into the 30's here. Some sort of improvement will go a long way with fans, and show the league office, improvement so as to head off any potential problems.

30 wins would be big improvement at this rate lol. It doesn't help the league is experiencing the most parity ever, either.